JackieBlue said:

Motown sued them in 1976 for breach of contract (They still owed the label one more album when they left to sign with Epic (Moving Violation was released on May 15, 1975, and they signed with Epic 9 months later). They went to court in 1980 and the judgement was that the brothers had to give up any royalties from material released before 1975 or something to that effect.

They sued the group then sued certain members of the family individually (if I recall correctly) like Joe and Michael

JackieBlue said:

Motown sued them in 1976 for breach of contract (They still owed the label one more album when they left to sign with Epic (Moving Violation was released on May 15, 1975, and they signed with Epic 9 months later). They went to court in 1980 and the judgement was that the brothers had to give up any royalties from material released before 1975 or something to that effect.

They sued the group then sued certain members of the family individually (if I recall correctly) like Joe and Michael

Did Karen do his make-up during funeral? I thought she did not work for him anymore. I remember her being bitter on the fan boards cause at one point Mike just would not call her and she would not work for him anymore. I don´t know who worked for him after that, though. It looks like it was Ruska Bergman.

I just don't understand why they can't support themselves? Do the Osmonds bum off of Donny and Marie? I'm guessing not since they still do shows but it seems like the brothers were just waiting in hopes of a reunion to make some extra money. They couldn't professionally transition into anything else?

musicjunky318 said:

The Jackson brothers spent all of the money they earned. Half of the records sold were with Motown and they don't own no royalties from Jobete. Only thing that they could get money off of was their Epic material and most of that were from MJ's publishing company anyways.

Timmy84 said:

That still doesn't sound like an excuse to me though. There are groups out there who've never owned royalties nor publishing companies in addition to never experiencing the same commercial clout as the Jacksons yet never seemed to run into the same financial difficulties either. Well, I think I just answered half of my question. Their spending exceeded their income but I'm wondering what could they have possibly blown it on? It's not like everybody had a Neverland to maintain.

musicjunky318 said:

they been went through that money. they may have sold alot of records but remember their royalties from motown was bullshit, what did they get like 3 cents per record? they split that 5 ways plus joe's manager's fee and all the other expenses.i think their biggest payday was probably the victory tour where they got like 5 million each, well that was 25 years ,several divorces and babymommas ago.michael said they were lazy and i guess he was right because i dont see why they couldnt put together oldies tours over the years, they wasnt gonna make millions but at least it would be a paycheck.they had their hopes set on mj returning and they go out on this earth shattering world tour, but it wasnt gonna happen.they shouldnt have to depend on their brother to support them but i still say i dont see a problem with his family getting any of his money, the jacksons are not the only family where a super rich relative is providing for multiple people.

lowkey said:

Wasn't Motown notorious for ripping off a lot of artists, and that's why many of them left?

JackieBlue said:

It is not a secret that Joe, Katherine and the brothers have been stalking/harrasing/pressuring/torturing Michael in order to make him tour with them.

I remember the brothers claiming, in interviews, that it was Michael's obligation to perform with them and that they would " make sure Michael performs with" them. I clearly remember Jermaine saying: "We already have dates. Michael will be touring with us. We are his family so it's his obligation to perform with us. We promise you he will be touring with his family, whether he wants it or not. He can never get too big for us to make him tour with his flesh and blood.".

Joe and the brothers used to sign contracts for a reunion tour on Michael's behalf and, then, Michael, who didn't want those contracts signed, would bail them out. They have been trying to do a reunion tour since the "Victory Tour" ended.

When Michael was accused, in '93, the first thing Katherine, Joe and the brothers did, was fly to Bangkok (where Michael was staying, at the time) with a reunion tour contract. Margaret Maldonaldo, Jermaine's ex-wife, said that the first thing the Jacksons did, when they saw Michael, was pressure him to sign the reunion tour contract and, when he refused, they started shouting at him. And Michael had just been accused of pedophilia...yet they didn't even care how he was doing and coping.

It's also well known that, througout the 90's, the brothers and Joe almost forced Michael to sign contracts that would benefit them and never him.

Besides, remember that 2 months before Michael died, Joe, Katherine and Jermaine forced him to sign a contract to do a reunion tour. Michael was so pressured and harrased for two years (remember the 2008's statment in which Michael said that he loved his brothers but he would not be doing a reunion tour with them?)that he unvoluntarily signed it. Two days later, he signed with AEG and Joe was seen, by fans and papparazzis, yelling at Michael, stalking him, knocking on his door, harrasing him, hounding him every single day until the day of Michael's death. He would scream "I'm broke and it's your faullt" or "If it wasn't for me, there would be no Michael Jackson. You owe me billions.". Some days later, Joe, the siblings, Leonard Rowe and AllGood entertainment sued Michael for 30 millions. The quantity has increased though; they are now suing Michael's estate for 300 millions. THEY HOUNDED/STALKED/HARRASED Michael their entire life.

In fact, the Jacksons saw Michael's career as an offense: how dare Michael have ambitions? How dare he use his talents?
They wanted him to be a member of the Jackson 5 for the rest of his life so that they would make lots of money and have careers at Mike's expense. They were all (including Katherine) against Off The Wall and forbid Michael of doing another solo album after this one.

musicjunky318 said:

The Jacksons spent well beyond their means. They didn't have MJ's (or Janet's) money.

But when the well started to run dry did anyone think they better put another plan in motion? I know Marlon had some things going on but what about Jermaine? I really don't understand why he can't still record. Maybe he doesn't want to which is fine but maybe vasectomy would come to mind.

Supporting family is a wonderful thing but there's a lot of Jacksons and it's not like they're invalids or something. Like what does Jermaine do all day every day? I'm really curious.

Marlon Jackson, Celebrity Entertainer, President/COO, MBC Network: Marlon Jackson brings more to MBC Network than just celebrity status. As President and COO, Jackson offers a wealth of experience in the entertainment industry as well as sound management skills. Unknown to the fans of the famed member of the Jackson Family dynasty is his organization and involvement in currency transactions with foreign countries and various loan transactions and financial instruments. Jackson also served on the Board of Directors of U.S.A. for America, monitoring the disbursement of $100 million in funds raised for medicine, food and other emergency items delivered to Ethiopia's hungry. Not only did Jackson appropriate the routing of funds to various agencies, but he often participated in the distribution and delivery of goods and services. Continuing his philanthropic and humanitarian efforts, Jackson and his wife, Carol, established the Direct Community Assistance Program more than 20 years ago. Once a week his family prepares and distributes meals to the homeless in San Diego's downtown district. Jackson is also noted for his participation in Japan's NIPPON 24-Hour Telethon, raising funds for worldwide hunger and for playing an intricate part in Hands Across America, which raised over $40 million to feed, clothe and shelter America's homeless. Selling over I00 million records as a part of the famed Jackson Five, Marlon has created and produced numerous videos and television projects including the animated cartoon series, "Kid Koolin & the Crew".

Marrk said:

C'mon, c'mon, admit it. You think he's alive too, don't you?

dag said:

Karen did his make up one last time for the funeral.

It is not a secret that Joe, Katherine and the brothers stalked/harrased/pressured/tortured Michael in order to make him tour with them.

I remember the brothers claiming, in interviews, that it was Michael's obligation to perform with them and that they would " make sure Michael performs with" them. I clearly remember Jermaine saying: "We already have dates. Michael will be touring with us. We are his family so it's his obligation to perform with us. We promise you he will be touring with his family, whether he wants it or not. He can never get too big for us to make him tour with his flesh and blood.".

Joe and the brothers used to sign contracts for a reunion tour on Michael's behalf and, then, Michael, who didn't want those contracts signed, would bail them out. They have been trying to do a reunion tour since the "Victory Tour" ended.

When Michael was accused, in '93, the first thing Katherine, Joe and the brothers did, was fly to Bangkok (where Michael was staying, at the time) with a reunion tour contract. Margaret Maldonaldo, Jermaine's ex-wife, said that the first thing the Jacksons did, when they saw Michael, was pressure him to sign the reunion tour contract and, when he refused, they started shouting at him. And Michael had just been accused of pedophilia...yet they didn't even care how he was doing and coping.

It's also well known that, througout the 90's, the brothers and Joe almost forced Michael to sign contracts that would benefit them and never him.

Besides, remember that 2 months before Michael died, Joe, Katherine and Jermaine forced him to sign a contract to do a reunion tour. Michael was so pressured and harrased for two years (remember the 2008's statment in which Michael said that he loved his brothers but he would not be doing a reunion tour with them?)that he unvoluntarily signed it. Two days later, he signed with AEG and Joe was seen, by fans and papparazzis, yelling at Michael, stalking him, knocking on his door, harrasing him, hounding him every single day until the day of Michael's death. He would scream "I'm broke and it's your faullt" or "If it wasn't for me, there would be no Michael Jackson. You owe me billions.". Some days later, Joe, the siblings, Leonard Rowe and AllGood entertainment sued Michael for 30 millions. The quantity has increased though; they are now suing Michael's estate for 300 millions. THEY HOUNDED/STALKED/HARRASED Michael their entire life.

In fact, the Jacksons saw Michael's career as an offense: how dare Michael have ambitions? How dare he use his talents?
They wanted him to be a member of the Jackson 5 for the rest of his life so that they would make lots of money and have careers at Mike's expense. They were all (including Katherine) against Off The Wall and forbid Michael of doing another solo album after this one.

"His [Michael's] success is our success."

angel345 said:

LOL.....

I have to admit that the way this guy speaks makes my hair stands , its scary., its identical to Mj's voice. Im not saying he is alive but WTF.....

MOL said:

Oh yeah, I know they hounded him endlessly to tour. Jermaine had monthly announcements about them going on tour. But I think after knowing Michael wasn't willing I'd have broke out and tried to find a way to make it on my own and it didn't necessarily have to be show business. Maybe that's what Marlon did. And that's why I hated when Jermaine used to always say "his [Michael] success is our success". While it sounds endearing to the casual public I always knew that meant 'Michael's success is more money for us'.

I imagine initially that it might have been hard for some of them to want to be a group and not have the main member want to work with them. And maybe it just wasn't for them to continue as entertainers but you have to find your own way to feed yourself and your kids. Forget being in show business, that's just being a man and a father.

But if that's all Joe and Katherine pushed them to do, maybe that's all they know.

angel345 said:

Among other record labels yeah.

angel345 said:

LOL.....

I have to admit that the way this guy speaks makes my hair stands , its scary., its identical to Mj's voice. Im not saying he is alive but WTF.....

Jermaine and Randy moved back into Hayvenhurst around 1988/1989 with their kids and baby mommas (I think it's highly trifling that Jermaine recorded Word To The Badd! while living in the house Michael was paying for rent and bill free and Michael was probably paying for Jermaine's kids education)

bboy87 said:

Michael wasn't just paying for that. He was paying for EVRYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE. Like Margaret Maldonaldo said; "The entire family was living off of Michael. He paid for every grocery, everything. Michael paid every bill, every car, everything one person can only imagine. The family had no income, so Michael gave them millions per month. Jermaine loved leeching off Michael. He didn't even had money to buy panties."

Michael was paying for Jerm's child support, for Jerm's panties, Jerm's food, Jerm's cars, Jerm's mistresses, Jerm's wives...ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF. Yet, just like Janet Arvizo and Evan Chandler, he stabbed Michael in the back.

JackieBlue said:

@ JackieBlue

but MOL.....stalking/harrasing/pressuring/torturing is reaching....

pressuring Michael? yeah

but torturing? HELL NAH

MOL, after the last show of the Victory Tour, Michael went up to Joe and said "It's over, Joesph!" and that was that.

Marlon left the group and distanced himself from the family with the exception of Janet, Michael, and Katherine

They knew Michael wasn't down for a reunion so they went ahead with 2300 Jackson Street by themselves

the brothers simply got lazy/prideful....ESPECIALLY Greasy

Michael DID agree to do a reunion in '98 for the shelved Humanity album but on HIS TERMS

And if you know about the AllGood situation, the brothers weren't exactly down either and supported Michael in the issue. If you wanna blame anybody for that incident, blame Joe and Leonard, not the brothers and Katherine

seeingvoices12 said:

STOP IT, guys. The more you talk about it, the more I see Michael in the way he talks....

But that child hugging Mike in those pictures looks like this guy.
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seeingvoices12 said:

STOP IT, guys. The more you talk about it, the more I see Michael in the way he talks....

But that child hugging Mike in those pictures looks like this guy.
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seeingvoices12 said:

I'll admit it, and it looks like Markk won't , the thought has crossed my mind too

angel345 said:

I do feel this 'Dave' has possibly been so influenced by Michael (his 'father') that he has subconciously taken on his mannerisms to the point he's got folks all worked up. But that is it.

There's an interesting comment underneath about the new 'smooth criminal clip, the film he put himself in was called 'Glinda', the actor he digitally replaced was also born on 29/08 and he apparently faked his death to escape the Nazis, i've not done any follow up research but...

angel345 said:

I do feel this 'Dave' has possibly been so influenced by Michael (his 'father') that he has subconciously taken on his mannerisms to the point he's got folks all worked up. But that is it.

There's an interesting comment underneath about the new 'smooth criminal clip, the film he put himself in was called 'Glinda', the actor he digitally replaced was also born on 29/08 and he apparently faked his death to escape the Nazis, i've not done any follow up research but...

bboy87 said:

Well, you are wrong. Many accounts confirmed that the brothers pressured Michael to do the "2300 Jackson Street" and a tour with them. Remember Jackie's and Jermaine's statements?

Yes, torturing! Michael knew they only cared about his money since the day he turned 5. It's torturing to know that your own family just cares about your pocket and couldn't give two shits about you.

The brothers never supported Michael. If they did so, then why were they telling everyone who would listen that they would be doing a reunion tour with Michael?
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Marrk said:

WHAT????

Marrk said:

WHAT????