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Riverpoet31 said: People been lip-syncing for YEARS. This is why I don't understand the big deal. Even great singers lip-sync (Soul Train, American Bandstand, Top of the Pops anyone?). Some don't choose to, some do, and some others because they're more talented in an all-around way will choose it. Now all of a sudden Britney is supposed to be blamed for it? GTFOOH.
Lip-synching has NOTHING to do with music, but with the entertainment business. The fact that many people here seem to take it for granted that Michael and Janet, among many others since then, are / have been lypsynching, show they take the surface (the 'showbizness', the dance movements, the fireworks, the 'big' choreography) over real talents. Why not go to Disneyland or watch some moronic Hollywood blockbuster if you are that easily impressed? Real musical talent goes deeper then that. Yeah, MJ never sung live or anything in between the lip syncing. No talent at all, right? pfffft, Why can't you get over the fact people enjoyed someone who was in the business for over 40 years and was a composer, producer, singer, dancer, etc? Yeah, he lip-synced a lot, if that was his only claim to fame I'd get your point, but clearly he had a plethora of talent that people enjoyed and respected. Get over it. [Edited 11/6/09 23:57pm] | |
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^ MJ lip synced more during the Dangerous and especially during the HIStory tour. In fact, one of the circulating videos of the HIStory world tour he lip synced about 90% of the songs. I was really disappointed when I downloaded it to watch. He did lip sync "Thriller" on the Dangerous Tour. However, there was an MJ switch during the show, so he couldn't really sing. At the point where MJ disappears and then puts on the werewolf masks, that's a dancer after that point, not MJ. He goes to change and get on a lift for the next song (which I think is either Billie Jean or Beat It). He also lip syncs, quite obviously, "Heal The World", on the Dangerous Tour.
Oddly, he sang most everything live on the BAD World Tour. His voice was in top shape at that point. | |
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He lip synched more and more as his tours came. This list is what he lip synchs.
1984 Victory tour 100% LIVE 1987-1989 Bad tour Man In The Mirror (the first 2 verses) 1992-1993 Dangerous tour Jam Smooth Criminal Thriller Will You Be There Dangerous Black or White Heal the World Man in the Mirror (Like Bad tour, the first 2 verses) 1996-1997 HIStory tour Well, it's easier to say what was LIVE Wanna Be Startin Something J5 Medley | |
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ernestsewell said: ^ MJ lip synced more during the Dangerous and especially during the HIStory tour. In fact, one of the circulating videos of the HIStory world tour he lip synced about 90% of the songs. I was really disappointed when I downloaded it to watch. He did lip sync "Thriller" on the Dangerous Tour. However, there was an MJ switch during the show, so he couldn't really sing. At the point where MJ disappears and then puts on the werewolf masks, that's a dancer after that point, not MJ. He goes to change and get on a lift for the next song (which I think is either Billie Jean or Beat It). He also lip syncs, quite obviously, "Heal The World", on the Dangerous Tour.
Oddly, he sang most everything live on the BAD World Tour. His voice was in top shape at that point. Yeah, I know this. Nobody is saying he didn't lip-sync a lot, but comparing Michael Jackson to Britney Spears because of some lip-syncing is a wack argument. MJ was in the business for 40 + years and did hundreds (if not thousands) of live shows and performances during the 60's, 70's and 80's before he got comfy and started lip-sycncing, and even then he still had his flashes of brilliance and sung live here and there. That was my point. [Edited 11/7/09 3:40am] | |
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newsflash, that famous Billie Jean Moonwalk moment.....MJ is lipsynching!
omigod! (wait, that's not news) people synch. not news, especially not to a Britney stan.....I hope the horse is in agony from this brutal beating, he's beyond dead | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: He lip synched more and more as his tours came. This list is what he lip synchs.
1984 Victory tour 100% LIVE 1987-1989 Bad tour Man In The Mirror (the first 2 verses) 1992-1993 Dangerous tour Jam Smooth Criminal Thriller Will You Be There Dangerous Black or White Heal the World Man in the Mirror (Like Bad tour, the first 2 verses) 1996-1997 HIStory tour Well, it's easier to say what was LIVE Wanna Be Startin Something J5 Medley His mic is on for Jam in Dangerous Tour, though. Or for Bucharest, anyway. Same with Smooth Criminal. | |
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midiscover said: ViintageJunkiie said: Different shows. When she says "there's no reason why i fell asleep late last night" in the amateur video, she grabs her right ear and tips her hat .. she doesnt grab her right ear or tip the hat in when she says it on the version you posted [Edited 11/6/09 15:39pm] Ehh I never said her whole show was live. I know she sings some songs live and others pre-recorded because SHE'S DANCING mmkay. At least she pre-records instead of lipping over actual album recordings like some people Mhmmm! What's the difference? | |
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Timmy84 said: People been lip-syncing for YEARS. This is why I don't understand the big deal. Even great singers lip-sync (Soul Train, American Bandstand, Top of the Pops anyone?). Some don't choose to, some do, and some others because they're more talented in an all-around way will choose it. Now all of a sudden Britney is supposed to be blamed for it? GTFOOH.
There is a huge difference between several artists appearing on a pre-recorded half hour TV show and shelling out good money to see someone perform "live". | |
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Despite all the Janet/Britney comparing that's going on in this thread at the end of the day the thing that makes Janet superior to Britney is this: she's actually had a hand in writing and co-roducing a large majority of her musical catelog and Britney hasn't. In fact, of the songs that Britney has supposedly written only a hand full of them have been put on any of her albums and only one was made into an actual music video. People can compare all they want, but Britney can't touch Janet except in sales, but that seems to be more due to die-hard Britney fans who will buy anything that her face is on. Sales are nice, but really like someone made mention of Milli Vanilli earlier in this topic, they sold millions of copies too and won a Grammy but we all know what happened in the end of that moment in music history. I've purchased albums that debuted at number 1 thanks to loads of hype and publicity; and, they were terrible; and, I've purchased albums that barely broke the 100,000 sale mark and they were phenomenal. In the end, high sales don't always guarentee real talent; and, real talent doesn't always guarantee high sales. All just my Prince Rogers Nelson
Sunrise: June 7, 1958 Sunset: April 21, 2016 ~My Heart Loudly Weeps "My Creativity Is My Life." ~ Prince Life is merely a dress rehearsal for eternity. | |
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dirtyman2005 said: ps,
one of the best live singers anywhere in the world today is Craig David. I was actually there in person at one of his performances and every fucking performance is grade A top class.The guy is seriously one of the best live performers anywhere. watch this and learn! My favorite Craig David song of all time is this one: Prince Rogers Nelson
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Britney is a pop music puppet.She's lazy too.She doesn't even really *try* to sing....she's content to lip-sync 90% of her show.It's hard to respect an "artist" like that. | |
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purplesweat said: ViintageJunkiie said: He lip synched more and more as his tours came. This list is what he lip synchs.
1984 Victory tour 100% LIVE 1987-1989 Bad tour Man In The Mirror (the first 2 verses) 1992-1993 Dangerous tour Jam Smooth Criminal Thriller Will You Be There Dangerous Black or White Heal the World Man in the Mirror (Like Bad tour, the first 2 verses) 1996-1997 HIStory tour Well, it's easier to say what was LIVE Wanna Be Startin Something J5 Medley His mic is on for Jam in Dangerous Tour, though. Or for Bucharest, anyway. Same with Smooth Criminal. He had his mic ON so he can do some random yelling moments, but he was still lip synching. Like during HIStory tour for "Beat It", he starts off yelling into the mic, then the playback comes on | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: purplesweat said: His mic is on for Jam in Dangerous Tour, though. Or for Bucharest, anyway. Same with Smooth Criminal. He had his mic ON so he can do some random yelling moments, but he was still lip synching. Like during HIStory tour for "Beat It", he starts off yelling into the mic, then the playback comes on http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related | |
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midiscover said: ViintageJunkiie said: He had his mic ON so he can do some random yelling moments, but he was still lip synching. Like during HIStory tour for "Beat It", he starts off yelling into the mic, then the playback comes on http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related the problem with Janet is her vocals are rerecorded with each tour, also like Madge her backing vocals area always on and the sound tech adjust as their vocal abilities go south because of dancing. aside from the adlibs ate the beginning this isn't live. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: the problem with Janet is her vocals are rerecorded with each tour, also like Madge her backing vocals area always on and the sound tech adjust as their vocal abilities go south because of dancing. aside from the adlibs ate the beginning this isn't live. This is live. Can't you tell by her voice? It's shaky. | |
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midiscover said: ehuffnsd said: the problem with Janet is her vocals are rerecorded with each tour, also like Madge her backing vocals area always on and the sound tech adjust as their vocal abilities go south because of dancing. aside from the adlibs ate the beginning this isn't live. This is live. Can't you tell by her voice? It's shaky. like i said it's not 100% live... there are alot of tricks in there to counter the dancing. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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midiscover said: ViintageJunkiie said: He had his mic ON so he can do some random yelling moments, but he was still lip synching. Like during HIStory tour for "Beat It", he starts off yelling into the mic, then the playback comes on http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related DEAD @ Janet throwing that chain in the audience | |
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: This is live. Can't you tell by her voice? It's shaky. like i said it's not 100% live... there are alot of tricks in there to counter the dancing. Yea, at least it sounds live | |
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trueiopian said: midiscover said: DEAD @ Janet throwing that chain in the audience CH!! I swear she has done that before! she kicked something that was on the stage into the audience. I forgot what tour it was though | |
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I can't believe how grown Craig David looks and still has that little boy voice! He sounds great! Other people who don't do the lip synch thing and sound great-Maxwell, Mary J Blige, Brandy, Keyshia Cole, Christina Aguilera, Shakira....so it can be done. I don't hate on Janet because when she sings live she sounds exactly like her recorded vocals, I thought she was always prerecorded too, but she is not. | |
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: This is live. Can't you tell by her voice? It's shaky. like i said it's not 100% live... there are alot of tricks in there to counter the dancing. she has got to be the best lipsyncher ever in the history of lipsynching because I refuse to think that over 50% of her shows are lipped- if so, they need to give her a lipsankin Grammy award I love me some Janet- the girl is fierce and her work ethic blows everyone outta the water LOVE HARD. | |
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BklynBabe said: I can't believe how grown Craig David looks and still has that little boy voice! He sounds great! Other people who don't do the lip synch thing and sound great-Maxwell, Mary J Blige, Brandy, Keyshia Cole, Christina Aguilera, Shakira....so it can be done. I don't hate on Janet because when she sings live she sounds exactly like her recorded vocals, I thought she was always prerecorded too, but she is not.
Shakira actually does lip sycnc and the others you listed don't dance so it's only reasonable that they don't lip. I agree, Janet does sound like the actual recording as you can see form the RN1814 tour and many other performances on various other tours. | |
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Evvy said: ehuffnsd said: like i said it's not 100% live... there are alot of tricks in there to counter the dancing. she has got to be the best lipsyncher ever in the history of lipsynching because I refuse to think that over 50% of her shows are lipped- if so, they need to give her a lipsankin Grammy award I love me some Janet- the girl is fierce and her work ethic blows everyone outta the water You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: Evvy said: she has got to be the best lipsyncher ever in the history of lipsynching because I refuse to think that over 50% of her shows are lipped- if so, they need to give her a lipsankin Grammy award I love me some Janet- the girl is fierce and her work ethic blows everyone outta the water | |
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midiscover said: ViintageJunkiie said: He had his mic ON so he can do some random yelling moments, but he was still lip synching. Like during HIStory tour for "Beat It", he starts off yelling into the mic, then the playback comes on http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related | |
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Oh lord the same idiots with the same arguments in every thread.
This thread could be about the political situation in Honduras but it would some how come back to Janet Jackson. | |
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midiscover said: trueiopian said: DEAD @ Janet throwing that chain in the audience CH!! I swear she has done that before! she kicked something that was on the stage into the audience. I forgot what tour it was though what show is that from? where she throws the chain? Looks like professional videos. a DVD needs to come on out! | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: midiscover said: CH!! I swear she has done that before! she kicked something that was on the stage into the audience. I forgot what tour it was though what show is that from? where she throws the chain? Looks like professional videos. a DVD needs to come on out! RWU tour. You can see the chain @1:59 and @4:58 she tosses it in the audience I just noticed that Gil is a really slow dancer | |
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