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Reply #90 posted 11/16/09 3:34pm

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I really wish some people didn't blame Murray for it. I can't stress it enough how much of an inspiration was and still is to me, but Michael knew the risks of every drug he was being injected with. I don't blame MJ for his mistakes, but he paid the price. Simple as that. Murray was to blame and MJ was too. It takes two to tango.



If Michael was such a drug addict then why did his autopsy report clearly showed that his liver was in perfect conditions?

Michael didn't die from painkillers...he died from propofol. He didn't die because he took too many pills.

He died because Dr. Murray administered/injected a high amount of propofol into Jackson's body. Before calling the man a junkie, I suggest that you check your facts. The man wanted to sleep...he did not want to get high just for the sake of getting high.

Who told you Michael was a junkie since the 80's? Latoya or Joe Jackson?


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Reply #91 posted 11/16/09 3:38pm

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Besides, Michael always hired doctors some weeks before a tour. He always did this, since, according to many people, he was sightly obsessed with his health. Furthermore, it is not a secret that Jackson suffered from insomnia. He wanted to sleep. He had to sleep and that's one of the reasons as to why he hired the doctor. Michael wasn't addicted; he just wanted to be able to sleep and to control his health. The man didn't have convulsions everytime he didn't get the drug he wanted. He was a healthy man and the autopsy report proved that. So, YES: it was Murray's fault since he administered a too high amount of propofol when asked to make a man sleep.
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Reply #92 posted 11/16/09 3:39pm

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If Michael was such a drug addict then why did his autopsy report clearly showed that his liver was in perfect conditions?

Michael didn't die from painkillers...he died from propofol. He didn't die because he took too many pills.

He died because Dr. Murray administered/injected a high amount of propofol into Jackson's body. Before calling the man a junkie, I suggest that you check your facts. The man wanted to sleep...he did not want to get high just for the sake of getting high.

Who told you Michael was a junkie since the 80's? Latoya or Joe Jackson?





IQ < 75?
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Reply #93 posted 11/16/09 3:39pm

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Reply #94 posted 11/16/09 3:41pm

midiscover

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Besides, Michael always hired doctors some weeks before a tour. He always did this, since, according to many people, he was sightly obsessed with his health. Furthermore, it is not a secret that Jackson suffered from insomnia. He wanted to sleep. He had to sleep and that's one of the reasons as to why he hired the doctor. Michael wasn't addicted; he just wanted to be able to sleep and to control his health. The man didn't have convulsions everytime he didn't get the drug he wanted. He was a healthy man and the autopsy report proved that. So, YES: it was Murray's fault since he administered a too high amount of propofol when asked to make a man sleep.


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Reply #95 posted 11/16/09 3:42pm

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IQ < 75?


You or Britney?
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Reply #96 posted 11/16/09 3:57pm

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put that damn hand down and tell me


who is Tony Testa?
[Edited 11/16/09 15:22pm]


He's brilliant! He co-choreographed the choreography for Rock wit U


He's cool, but I'd still like to see her work with some of the Bay Area choreographers nod
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Reply #97 posted 11/16/09 4:01pm

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janet on Ryan Seacrest show today

http://www.kiisfm.com/cc-...-FM&TRACK=
[Edited 11/16/09 16:01pm]
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Reply #98 posted 11/16/09 4:50pm

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I'm sorry, but why are you making accuses for Michael? He wasn't held against his will to hire Dr. Murray nor ask for this drug (which I'm 100% positive MJ knew the risks). I'm more surprised that MJ would take such a leap of a risk but on the other hand he seemed to despise himself so it's not that surprising.
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[Edited 11/16/09 14:07pm]


I really wish some people didn't blame Murray for it. I can't stress it enough how much of an inspiration was and still is to me, but Michael knew the risks of every drug he was being injected with. I don't blame MJ for his mistakes, but he paid the price. Simple as that. Murray was to blame and MJ was too. It takes two to tango.


i'll tell you the problem i have with that reasoning.

if i go to my oral surgeon to get my wisdom tooth out, i am going to ask for anathesia. he's going to offer it to me and i'm going to take it b/c i don't want my tooth yanked out of my head without it. he's going to prescribe me painkillers, the whole nine yards. true, i am the patient and to a certain extent, i am in control of my treatment. though the dentist strongly advises it, no one is forcing me to get my tooth pulled at the end of the day.

the doctor may even ask me to sign a waiver absolving him of anything going wrong - within reason.

well, what if something does go wrong. am i wrong for asking for propofol or whatever b/c it would be too painful to have the tooth pulled without it? would the doctor be in the right not to do everything he could help me once i was in distress?

as others have said before, murray is not only in trouble for what he did (using this drug beyond its standard use), as much as what he didn't do. yes, mj asked for the propofol and was warned of the risks, just as i would be. he decided to take that risk b/c there was nothing to suggest that the doctor wouldn't be there if something went wrong with its administration. do you think mj would have agreed to have this particular doctor administer the drug if he thought that murray would wait 40 min or longer to call paramedics to save his life? whether he was addicted to painkillers is besides the point - and i'll repeat this: the autopsy did not show any other drugs in mj's system besides what murray gave him.

no one is disputing that mj asked murray to administer the drug. the problem is murray cannot be absolved from failing to get mj help in a timely manner. mj's being a drug addict or not is completely irrelevant as to the cause of his death. (an article from a doctor this subject was posted on the kop boards bears this out. he stated that tons of addicts are given propofol in the course of whatever surgery they're having, and they don't die from it.)

mj could have been saved if murray had called the paramedics when he saw mj in distress and he didn't. that's why he is being blamed by janet and others.
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Reply #99 posted 11/16/09 4:51pm

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Reply #100 posted 11/16/09 4:56pm

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FACT: doctors are supposed to be the one in charge, they take a damn oath and are supposed to do NO harm, this doctor KNEW what he was doing was harmful and not a proper way to help a patient sleep. this doctor is a cardiologist not an anesthesiologist and he didn't have the proper equipment. he had dollar signs in his eyes and he failed his patient point blank.... he FAILED
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FACT: the patient is charge.

FACT: MJ was a drug addict and the doctor his dealer no different if i was to go by an 8 ball of crystal meth.



FACT: the doctor is in charge. i cannot demand a doctor give me drugs that are wrong for me. i can refuse treatment, i can lie to the doctor, and do things to otherwide mislead him. if the doctor insists on going along with my folly, then he will be held more accountable than if he was a drug dealer. drug dealers don't take an oath to administer proper care, doctors do. the AMA agrees with me, not you.

FACT: whether mj was a drug addict is beside the point to the role of the doctor. a doctor is not a drug dealer. he is a medical professional who has taken an oath to do no harm.

janet is right. this man should never be allowed to practice medicine again.
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Reply #101 posted 11/16/09 4:59pm

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kibbles said:

ehuffnsd said:


FACT: the patient is charge.

FACT: MJ was a drug addict and the doctor his dealer no different if i was to go by an 8 ball of crystal meth.



FACT: the doctor is in charge. i cannot demand a doctor give me drugs that are wrong for me. i can refuse treatment, i can lie to the doctor, and do things to otherwide mislead him. if the doctor insists on going along with my folly, then he will be held more accountable than if he was a drug dealer. drug dealers don't take an oath to administer proper care, doctors do. the AMA agrees with me, not you.

FACT: whether mj was a drug addict is beside the point to the role of the doctor. a doctor is not a drug dealer. he is a medical professional who has taken an oath to do no harm.

janet is right. this man should never be allowed to practice medicine again.


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Reply #102 posted 11/16/09 5:06pm

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he did not want to get high just for the sake of getting high.

Who told you Michael was a junkie since the 80's? Latoya or Joe Jackson?


and WHO told YOU that MJ wasn't taking drugs just to get high?
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Reply #103 posted 11/16/09 7:04pm

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Janet just confirmed she SINGLE excited
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Reply #104 posted 11/16/09 7:06pm

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Janet just confirmed she SINGLE excited


i know highfive



[Edited 11/16/09 19:08pm]
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Reply #105 posted 11/16/09 7:18pm

midiscover

mimi07 said:

midiscover said:

Janet just confirmed she SINGLE excited


i know highfive



[Edited 11/16/09 19:08pm]


You listen to the interview? I missed it but the Janet forums are havin' a ball giggle



*Pumps "Get it out me"*
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Reply #106 posted 11/16/09 7:20pm

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Janet Jackson on Dr. Murray: 'He Is Responsible'
Posted Monday 16 November 03:27 PM

Janet Jackson holds Dr. Conrad Murray responsible for her brother Michael's death, and says in a rare interview to air Wednesday that "a day doesn't go by that I don't think about him."

She told ABC's Robin Roberts that Murray she would be barred from practicing medicine. "He was the one that was administering," Jackson said. "I think he is responsible."

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Prosecutors in Los Angeles are weighing charges against Murray in the pop singer's death. Murray told police he administered a powerful anesthetic to the singer shortly before Jackson died June 25. A spokeswoman for the doctor, Miranda Sevcik, said Monday he continues to maintain he neither prescribed or administered anything to Jackson that should have killed him.

Janet has remained relatively quiet since her brother's passing. In the interview, she describes how she was at her home in New York when her assistant called to say Michael had been taken to the hospital. She told relatives to call her when they got to the hospital and grew concerned when she wasn't getting any calls back.

She says that a day doesn't go by when she doesn't think of Michael. "It just didn't ring true to me. It felt like a dream," she said. "It's still so difficult for me to believe.

"It's been a tough year," she went on. "You have your days where it's just really -- it's hard to believe. And a day doesn't go by that I don't think about him."


Janet Jackson Keeps Things Mysterious
Posted Monday 16 November 02:16 PM By: Tricia Romano

Unlike her late brother, Janet Jackson's life hasn't been as scrutinized. Throughout her career, she's maintained an aura of mystery, successfully keeping much of her private life private -- a feat in today's Internet age when too much info is divulged instantaneously online. We look at some of the rumors that have followed Janet (who releases a greatest hits CD this week) throughout her career.

Janet Has a Daughter?
Rumor has it that Janet's got an 18-year old daughter named Renee whom she supposedly had with her old flame, James DeBarge (remember when they were an item? No? OK, so you're not as old as us.) This one has been going as far back as 2005. People with longer memories than us claim that she rushed her marriage to DeBarge (which was annulled a year later) because she had a bun in the oven; some people remember her seeming pregnant at an awards show around that time. But producer Jimmy 'Jam' Harris says it was impossible; they were recording her breakout album 'Control' at that time, and he says she wasn't pregnant then. So there.


Janet Is Getting Married to Jermaine Dupri:
This one first started floating in February 2008. She was even supposedly going to wear a Badgley Mishka dress. She laughed off the rumors, saying, "Let the rumors fly!" They still aren't married. In fact....


Janet Broke Up With Dupri, Even Though She Didn't:
Tongues were wagging in July about their supposed break up because Dupri didn't go to Michael Jackson's memorial. But these were recently deflated in the Bible of all celebrity mags, PEOPLE which claimed that not only are they not broken up but they are planning a wedding. Yeah, we've heard that before.

Janet the Bisexual:
Janet's been setting off the gaydar for a while, now; some of her songs touch on the subject of S/M play and bisexuality, but she's outright denied the rumors. When she was asked why she thought people pegged her as liking ladies, she said that like Oprah and Alicia Keys, "Maybe because it's just that we're strong women. I don't know. Maybe they want to put something else behind it because of the strength. Like, you can't be a woman and be strong, and there has to be something else to it. "

Or maybe people think she's bisexual because she tells Ebony magazine that she falls asleep with some of her female dancers and sometimes kisses them? "No, I am not bisexual. I have been linked with dancers in our group because we are so close. I grew up in a big family. I love being affectionate. I love intimacy and I am not afraid to show it. We fall asleep in each other's arms. We hug, we kiss, but there is nothing beyond that."

Janet Pregnancy Reports:
This time last year, she had a bun in the oven. The reason given? That weird mystery spate of illnesses last year. Hey guess what? Unless she found a way to hide the baby bump in the middle of her brother's very public memorial service, we're pretty sure this one was false. No babies here!

Janet Was Secretly Married to Renee Elizondo:
This turned out to be true; the long held secret was divulged in 2000 after keeping that quiet for nearly 10 years when she filed for divorce. "I hope my fans will understand that I tried to keep my marriage private in an effort to have a normal family life. I wish Rene only the best going forward," she said at the time. When this was revealed, Jackson could have opened an advice agency for celebrities worldwide on how to dupe the press and actually maintain a private life that would have made her even more money than her music.

Janet Has a Mysterious Illness:
Last year, Ms. Jackson had to reschedule a spate of concerts -- of course the public was told it was for "exhaustion." She was even hospitalized at one point. It turned out that her mysterious illness does have a touch of mystery to it. It turned out that the singer was suffering from migraine-induced vertigo, which would be crippling for someone who has to sing and dance, and spin around and around and around and whoooo, we're dizzy.

Janet Dated Matthew McConaughey:
Say wha? Ms. Jackson-if-you're nasty and the the bongo-playing, shirtless-exercising star were once an item? Well, back in 2002, McConaughey issued the standard, "We're just friends" response, which went a little something like this: "I met her at the Grammys and found her to be a very very sweet lady. We swapped some good music and she's a dear lady. She's a sweetheart but we're not dating, we're just friends. That's about all there is right now."

This was after he had been spotted, according to Star, walking out of her Bel Air house, in the a.m., "shirtless, carrying his shoes, and whistling." Later, she revealed that she had indeed had a brief affair with the actor just before she started seriously dating Dupri.

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Reply #107 posted 11/16/09 7:33pm

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Janet just confirmed she SINGLE excited

runs and buys condoms
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Reply #108 posted 11/16/09 7:36pm

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Janet just confirmed she SINGLE excited


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Reply #109 posted 11/16/09 7:40pm

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Reply #110 posted 11/16/09 7:45pm

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midiscover said:

Janet just confirmed she SINGLE excited

runs and buys condoms


pushes bboy87 into the corner

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Reply #111 posted 11/16/09 7:52pm

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midiscover said:

bboy87 said:


runs and buys condoms


pushes bboy87 into the corner

[heidi wuz here]

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Reply #112 posted 11/16/09 8:19pm

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Reply #113 posted 11/16/09 8:22pm

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Getting her album at best buy tomorrow
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Reply #114 posted 11/16/09 8:34pm

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bboy87 said:


runs and buys condoms


pushes bboy87 into the corner


Bitch! I put claim on that coochie back in 1995! mad lol
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Reply #115 posted 11/16/09 8:40pm

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Why is everybody so happy that janet is single?
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Reply #116 posted 11/16/09 8:41pm

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Why is everybody so happy that janet is single?


falloff


Troll no mo!

and she's all mine evillol
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Reply #117 posted 11/16/09 8:43pm

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midiscover said:

Layzie said:

Why is everybody so happy that janet is single?


falloff


Troll no mo!

and she's all mine evillol

how is that possible? neutral
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Reply #118 posted 11/16/09 8:44pm

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midiscover said:

Layzie said:

Why is everybody so happy that janet is single?


falloff


Troll no mo!


Now she can be single forever and just randomly date lol
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Reply #119 posted 11/16/09 8:46pm

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midiscover said:



falloff


Troll no mo!

and she's all mine evillol

how is that possible? neutral



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