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PrintableGraycap23 said: Timmy84 said: I really don't think MJ even knew it would kill him, besides he trusted that guy and the doc didn't even go by his oath.
 What? 
Look I'm not saying that the doctor trusted him to give him the stuff. I just think because he had it before - and I don't know why he was even using it for sleep - he probably thought this guy would be alright. And now he's dead. I guess I'm trying not to say that Michael thought he was going to die. It's hard for me to understand it either so don't anybody take it the wrong way.  [Edited 11/16/09 13:48pm] | |
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Janet Jackson Blames Doctor for Her Brother's Death November 17, 2009 Janet Jackson is very clear about who she thinks should be held responsible for the tragic death of her brother, Michael Jackson. Dr. Conrad Murray "was the one that was administering [propofol]," she says in a new interview with Robin Roberts on ABC News, referring to the powerful anesthetic that killed the star. "I think he is responsible." Murray, who has admitted administering propofol to the singer, has consistently denied any wrongdoing. Janet Jackson, 43, also describes how she found out her brother had been rushed to the hospital – and how she later learned the shocking news that he'd passed away. "I was at my house in New York. You know, another day. Another morning. And I get a call ... [My assistant] said, 'Your brother's been taken to the hospital. It's on CNN right now,'" Janet tells Roberts. "I called everyone's … There's a line busy or someone wasn't picking up. I spoke to mother. I spoke to Tito. I spoke to my nephew Austin. I spoke to my sister La Toya. "I told them to call me when they got to the hospital. And I remember thinking nobody's calling me back, so I tried calling again, and that's how I found out that he was no longer ... I couldn't believe it," she said. "It just didn't ring true to me. It felt like a dream." Even now, she says, "It's still so difficult for me to believe. It's, you know, you have to accept what is. But it's hard. You have to move on with your life. You have to accept what is and I understand that." As for how she's coping she says, "It's been a tough year … And a day doesn't go by that I don't think about him." Roberts' interview with Janet Jackson will air Wed., Nov. 18 at 10 p.m. http://www.people.com/peo...25,00.html Awww! J  | |
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Timmy84 said: Graycap23 said: What?
Look I'm not saying that the doctor trusted him to give him the stuff. I just think because he had it before - and I don't know why he was even using it for sleep - he probably thought this guy would be alright. And now he's dead. This a part of the reason why Mj is dead. He was surrounded by people who justified his B.S. and could not or would not just say NO. | |
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mimi07 said: Graycap23 said: Mike plays as big a role in this as the doctor. FACT. FACT: doctors are supposed to be the one in charge, they take a damn oath and are supposed to do NO harm, this doctor KNEW what he was doing was harmful and not a proper way to help a patient sleep. this doctor is a cardiologist not an anesthesiologist and he didn't have the proper equipment. he had dollar signs in his eyes and he failed his patient point blank.... he FAILED [Edited 11/16/09 13:07pm] FACT: the patient is charge. FACT: MJ was a drug addict and the doctor his dealer no different if i was to go by an 8 ball of crystal meth. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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midiscover said: EVERYONE PURCHASE JANET'S NUMBER 1'S TOMORROW!!!!!
I'm getting it in the weekend if we ever go out.  | |
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Regardless of whether Michael knew how dangerous the drug was or not, it's the doctor's fault because that drug is only to be used prior to surgery. If Michael wasn't having surgery, the doctor shouldn't have given it to him and definitely shouldn't have left him unattended for even 5 seconds without him being at least intubated and attached to a respirator. If he's a legit doctor, than he should know about all the adverse reactions and precautions associated with this drug. Hell, I'm not a doctor; I'm a animal nurse; and we use this drug all the time to sedate for surgery and I would have never used this drug on anyone no matter how much they begged for it and no matter how rich and famous they were.
If it had been me, Michael would have just had to deal with being exhausted because I damn sure wasn't going to give him Propofol to help him sleep. No way would I risk losing my license by severely injuring or killing the patient and then being sent to jail for it. Not for MJ or anybody else. This doctor was a dumbass who got blinded by the money and fame and he deserves whatever punishment he gets for his actions. He knew better and he broke the physician's oath by endangering the life of his patient. You don't give patient's what they want; you give them what they need and MJ didn't need Propofol no matter how much he insisted he did. The doctor should have directed him to a facility that specializes in sleep studies for people with severe insomnia or sleep apnea and maybe they could have ultimately cured him instead of just over-medicating him and not solving the problem at all. Prince Rogers Nelson
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The doctor was a dumbass anyway. | |
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Michael was a dumbass for playing "Russian Roulette" with his life like that. | |
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midiscover said: Michael was a dumbass for playing "Russian Roulette" with his life like that.
not if the doctor made him feel like it was safe. he obviously didn't want to die, that's why he hired a doctor. if michael really had insomnia the doctor should have got him proper treatment, not knock him out with anesthesia which doesn't even put u to sleep. "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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mimi07 said: midiscover said: Michael was a dumbass for playing "Russian Roulette" with his life like that.
not if the doctor made him feel like it was safe. he obviously didn't want to die, that's why he hired a doctor. if michael really had insomnia the doctor should have got him proper treatment, not knock him out with anesthesia which doesn't even put u to sleep. I'm sorry, but why are you making accuses for Michael? He wasn't held against his will to hire Dr. Murray nor ask for this drug (which I'm 100% positive MJ knew the risks). I'm more surprised that MJ would take such a leap of a risk but on the other hand he seemed to despise himself so it's not that surprising. [Edited 11/16/09 14:05pm] [Edited 11/16/09 14:07pm] | |
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midiscover said: mimi07 said: not if the doctor made him feel like it was safe. he obviously didn't want to die, that's why he hired a doctor. if michael really had insomnia the doctor should have got him proper treatment, not knock him out with anesthesia which doesn't even put u to sleep. I'm sorry, but why are you making accuses for Michael? He wasn't held against his will to hire Dr. Murray nor ask for this drug (which I'm 100% positive MJ knew the risks). I'm more surprised that MJ would take such a leap of a risk but on the other hand he seemed to despise himself so it's not that surprising. [Edited 11/16/09 14:05pm] [Edited 11/16/09 14:07pm] I really wish some people didn't blame Murray for it. I can't stress it enough how much of an inspiration was and still is to me, but Michael knew the risks of every drug he was being injected with. I don't blame MJ for his mistakes, but he paid the price. Simple as that. Murray was to blame and MJ was too. It takes two to tango. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: midiscover said: I'm sorry, but why are you making accuses for Michael? He wasn't held against his will to hire Dr. Murray nor ask for this drug (which I'm 100% positive MJ knew the risks). I'm more surprised that MJ would take such a leap of a risk but on the other hand he seemed to despise himself so it's not that surprising. [Edited 11/16/09 14:05pm] [Edited 11/16/09 14:07pm] I really wish some people didn't blame Murray for it. I can't stress it enough how much of an inspiration was and still is to me, but Michael knew the risks of every drug he was being injected with. I don't blame MJ for his mistakes, but he paid the price. Simple as that. Murray was to blame and MJ was too. It takes two to tango. Yeah y'all right, it just seems so bizarre to me. I mean I get why people think MJ has as much to blame for his demise as Murray did, I just don't like how Murray has handled it so far. Just fucking sad. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: midiscover said: I'm sorry, but why are you making accuses for Michael? He wasn't held against his will to hire Dr. Murray nor ask for this drug (which I'm 100% positive MJ knew the risks). I'm more surprised that MJ would take such a leap of a risk but on the other hand he seemed to despise himself so it's not that surprising. [Edited 11/16/09 14:05pm] [Edited 11/16/09 14:07pm] I really wish some people didn't blame Murray for it. I can't stress it enough how much of an inspiration was and still is to me, but Michael knew the risks of every drug he was being injected with. I don't blame MJ for his mistakes, but he paid the price. Simple as that. Murray was to blame and MJ was too. It takes two to tango. Exactly. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: midiscover said: I'm sorry, but why are you making accuses for Michael? He wasn't held against his will to hire Dr. Murray nor ask for this drug (which I'm 100% positive MJ knew the risks). I'm more surprised that MJ would take such a leap of a risk but on the other hand he seemed to despise himself so it's not that surprising. [Edited 11/16/09 14:05pm] [Edited 11/16/09 14:07pm] I really wish some people didn't blame Murray for it. I can't stress it enough how much of an inspiration was and still is to me, but Michael knew the risks of every drug he was being injected with. I don't blame MJ for his mistakes, but he paid the price. Simple as that. Murray was to blame and MJ was too. It takes two to tango. How? 1- MJ hired that doctor two weeks before his death.....he always do this during tours and rehearsals, he hire doctors... 2-Its a common fact that Mj can't sleep when he does rehearsals and tours, he always suffered from insomnia during tours and rehearsals.... 3-Mj took the drug as something that could help him to sleep without acknowledging the risks, Mj wouldn't kill himself intentionally.... 4-if mj was taking heroin or cocaine then you are right since we all know the damaging affect of those drugs, however Mj was taking it as medicine (drug) to help him to sleep [Edited 11/16/09 14:27pm] MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: ViintageJunkiie said: I really wish some people didn't blame Murray for it. I can't stress it enough how much of an inspiration was and still is to me, but Michael knew the risks of every drug he was being injected with. I don't blame MJ for his mistakes, but he paid the price. Simple as that. Murray was to blame and MJ was too. It takes two to tango. How? 1- MJ hired that doctor two weeks before his death.....he always do this during tours and rehearsals, he hire doctors... 2-Its a common fact that Mj can't sleep when he does rehearsals and tours, he always suffered from insomnia during tours and rehearsals.... 3-Mj took the drug as something that could help him to sleep without acknowledging the risks, Mj wouldn't kill himself intentionally.... 4-if mj was talking heroin or cocaine then you are right since we all know the damaging affect of those drugs, however Mj was taking it as medicine (drug) to help him to sleep Have you ever heard of painkillers? medicine to help you but can be abused just like other medications. I know it's hard to believe but MJ was a drug addict. | |
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Timmy84 said: Graycap23 said: What?
Look I'm not saying that the doctor trusted him to give him the stuff. I just think because he had it before - and I don't know why he was even using it for sleep - he probably thought this guy would be alright. And now he's dead. I guess I'm trying not to say that Michael thought he was going to die. It's hard for me to understand it either so don't anybody take it the wrong way.
[Edited 11/16/09 13:48pm] I feel the same way. We all know Michael had an addiction back in '93 and probably in 2001 but I believe this time around, he was being maltreated [Edited 11/16/09 14:33pm] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: What?
Look I'm not saying that the doctor trusted him to give him the stuff. I just think because he had it before - and I don't know why he was even using it for sleep - he probably thought this guy would be alright. And now he's dead. I guess I'm trying not to say that Michael thought he was going to die. It's hard for me to understand it either so don't anybody take it the wrong way.
[Edited 11/16/09 13:48pm] I feel the same way. We all know Michael had an addiction back in '93 and probably in 2001 but I believe this time around, he was being maltreated [Edited 11/16/09 14:33pm] Me, too. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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midiscover said: seeingvoices12 said: How? 1- MJ hired that doctor two weeks before his death.....he always do this during tours and rehearsals, he hire doctors... 2-Its a common fact that Mj can't sleep when he does rehearsals and tours, he always suffered from insomnia during tours and rehearsals.... 3-Mj took the drug as something that could help him to sleep without acknowledging the risks, Mj wouldn't kill himself intentionally.... 4-if mj was talking heroin or cocaine then you are right since we all know the damaging affect of those drugs, however Mj was taking it as medicine (drug) to help him to sleep Have you ever heard of painkillers? medicine to help you but can be abused just like other medications. I know it's hard to believe but MJ was a drug addict. MJ died because of a drug called PROPOFOL..... and he died because of a DRUG OVERDOSE, do you know what OVERDOSE means? MICHAEL JACKSON
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: What?
Look I'm not saying that the doctor trusted him to give him the stuff. I just think because he had it before - and I don't know why he was even using it for sleep - he probably thought this guy would be alright. And now he's dead. I guess I'm trying not to say that Michael thought he was going to die. It's hard for me to understand it either so don't anybody take it the wrong way.
[Edited 11/16/09 13:48pm] I feel the same way. We all know Michael had an addiction back in '93 and probably in 2001 but I believe this time around, he was being maltreated [Edited 11/16/09 14:33pm] Me too. | |
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seeingvoices12 said: midiscover said: Have you ever heard of painkillers? medicine to help you but can be abused just like other medications. I know it's hard to believe but MJ was a drug addict. MJ died because of a drug called PROPOFOL..... and he died because of a DRUG OVERDOSE, do you know what OVERDOSE means? i have a friend that two weeks ago of a drug overdose. he was a drug addict does the fact that it was a self inflicted mix of speed and heroin differ than another drug addict that died of a doctor inflicted overdose of a drug? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Maybe it's because he wanted to go to sleep, then again the doctor could've just said no but he didn't. It ain't as simple as some would think. | |
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seeingvoices12 said: midiscover said: Have you ever heard of painkillers? medicine to help you but can be abused just like other medications. I know it's hard to believe but MJ was a drug addict. MJ died because of a drug called PROPOFOL..... and he died because of a DRUG OVERDOSE, do you know what OVERDOSE means? Exactly. *claps* MJ wasn't held at gunpoint to take propofol. Yes, Dr. Murray adminstered it but MJ is responsible as well. It's kind of like a drug addict telling a drug dealer to inject heroin on them. | |
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ehuffnsd said: seeingvoices12 said: MJ died because of a drug called PROPOFOL..... and he died because of a DRUG OVERDOSE, do you know what OVERDOSE means? i have a friend that two weeks ago of a drug overdose. he was a drug addict does the fact that it was a self inflicted mix of speed and heroin differ than another drug addict that died of a doctor inflicted overdose of a drug? Mj was administered by supposedly a professional doctor who supposedly knew his damn fucking Job, if a doctor has given you an overdose of something and you were hospitalized…....won’t you take an action against him? Doctors should know the amount of medicine that should be given to their patients… [Edited 11/16/09 14:45pm] MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: ehuffnsd said: i have a friend that two weeks ago of a drug overdose. he was a drug addict does the fact that it was a self inflicted mix of speed and heroin differ than another drug addict that died of a doctor inflicted overdose of a drug? Mj was administered by supposedly a professional doctor who supposedly knew his damn fucking Job, if a doctor has given you an overdose of something and you were hospitalized…....won’t you take an action against him? Doctors should know the amount of medicine that should be given to their patients… [Edited 11/16/09 14:45pm] Yeah the doctor was just ridiculous. | |
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midiscover said: seeingvoices12 said: MJ died because of a drug called PROPOFOL..... and he died because of a DRUG OVERDOSE, do you know what OVERDOSE means? Exactly. *claps* MJ wasn't held at gunpoint to take propofol. Yes, Dr. Murray adminstered it but MJ is responsible as well. It's kind of like a drug addict telling a drug dealer to inject heroin on them. To even suggest that Mj knew that the amount of drugs given to him was going to kill him is OUTRAGEOUS And silly..... he simply didn't know that was going to kill him. MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: ViintageJunkiie said: I really wish some people didn't blame Murray for it. I can't stress it enough how much of an inspiration was and still is to me, but Michael knew the risks of every drug he was being injected with. I don't blame MJ for his mistakes, but he paid the price. Simple as that. Murray was to blame and MJ was too. It takes two to tango. How? 1- MJ hired that doctor two weeks before his death.....he always do this during tours and rehearsals, he hire doctors... 2-Its a common fact that Mj can't sleep when he does rehearsals and tours, he always suffered from insomnia during tours and rehearsals.... 3-Mj took the drug as something that could help him to sleep without acknowledging the risks, Mj wouldn't kill himself intentionally.... 4-if mj was taking heroin or cocaine then you are right since we all know the damaging affect of those drugs, however Mj was taking it as medicine (drug) to help him to sleep [Edited 11/16/09 14:27pm] Michael KNEW the risk of EVERY drug he was taking. There is no way in hell he'd be poppin pills for years without knowing the risks of them. MJ been poppin pills since the late 80's, so that he took the drug without acknowledging the risks is an invalid point because he was aware of every drug he took. All in all, it was more of an overdose in injection. THIS THREAD IS FOR JANET. LETS TAKE THE MICHAEL TALK TO HIS THREAD. | |
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midiscover said: You should've just posted this in the first damn place!
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