Oooh we gonna have some fun up in here my fellow orgers. Post a vid or mention a song that has sampled another song, then name that other song. This would be a good education for those who think today's music is so original and it would be fun to hear what all of you consider to be really good (or bad) use of sampled tracks. A game of "before" and "after".


I'll start with newly discovered and soon to be favorite tracks.

LL....(LOUNGIN')



...borrowed from Bernard Wright (WHO DO YOU LOVE?)

THE EMOTIONS: MUSIC OF BLIND ALLEY




WAS USED FOR BIG DADDY KANE: AINT NO HALF STEPPIN'

LL Cool J- Hey Lover (Feat. Boyz II Men)



Samples Michael Jacksons "Lady In My Life"

Here is my choice





And this for my house music lovers

Beyonce used part of MJ's "I Can't Help It" (from Off The Wall) for sections of "Deja Vu", uncredited.

Listen to the opening bass and hook:


And listen to the :59 mark

wow Ernest good ear! I've listened to that Bey song I dunno how many times and never caught the MJ link. Kudos baby!

DesireeNevermind said:

Danke. Nowhere in the credits, that I've seen, does she credit or acknowledge Susaye Greene, Stevie Wonder as co-writers (they both wrote the song, MJ had no song writing credit on it). It lists only Beyoncé Knowles, Rodney Jerkins, Delisha Thomas, Makeba, Keli Nicole Price, Shawn Carter (Jay-Z) as writers, with Beowulf and Jerkins are producers.

ernestsewell said:

Perhaps Susan and Stevie didn't own copyright? I think that's part of the sampling law. I think the law only applies to samplings in excess of 5 seconds but I'm not sure.

DesireeNevermind said:

Not true. They're still listed as writers of the song. You can own a copyright on a song, but that doesn't mean you are necessarily able to up and change the creators on it.

Stevie owns his shit, so if anything, he'd own it. And that sample is beyond 5 seconds, and it's used repeatedly. It's a blatant rip-off. However, Beyonce's unpure business dealings have been discussed at length here recently, and it doesn't surprise me. It's all part of her "I'm a genius" mystique she's trying to create around herself.

ernestsewell said:

The reason why they did not get credit, is because it is not an exact rip of "I Can't Help It". They are using the same cords, but they way that they are being played is slightly different, making them two totally different songs.
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shorttrini said:

Yeah, it Beyonce's version adds an extra note and the phrasing is slightly different.

daPrettyman said:

Let's not forget Vanilla Ice tried that "extra note" argument with "Ice Ice Baby", and got nailed big time.

ernestsewell said:

We all know that Vanilla Ice was full of shit. This situation is different, because of the it was a live bass for one thing and it had that extra not and the phrasing was different. Vanilla's was a total sample.

shorttrini said:

didn't Queen sue the shit outta him? I think maybe that was the nail in his career coffin.

DesireeNevermind said:

I think his actions sealed his own fate. That guy was EVERYWHERE after "Ice Ice Baby". A lot of people look at him as a one-hit-wonder, but he really wasn't.

Sure his music career kind-of died, but he was in a pretty-high grossing movie and made a LOT of money.

..samples Vince Guaraldi Trio's "Christmas Time Is Here"..

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