scriptgirl said: Judging from his interviews, he is not the brightest or most articulate of beings, so I doubt much is going on upstairs. Like I said, he hasn't acted contrite. The only reason he may even have an inkling of remorse is that this has affected his career.
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I have done things I was ashamed of, but none of them involved choking, biting and pounding another human being. And he is 21. That is not a kid. That is an adult. That excuse is tired. "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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scriptgirl said: I have done things I was ashamed of, but none of them involved choking, biting and pounding another human being. And he is 21. That is not a kid. That is an adult. That excuse is tired.
I'm sorry in my book that is a kid or can I say young person | |
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If you beat someone down, you deserve to be known as an abuser. Plus, he was in court on charges.
I have never been in a fight. I was raised to walk away or only to lay hands on someone if my life was in danger. I don't care what Rihanna said or didn't say or what she did-Chris had no right lay hands on her. Why do you keep finding reasons to defend that Neanderthal? He was wrong, period and he should have served jail time. "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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scriptgirl said: If you beat someone down, you deserve to be known as an abuser. Plus, he was in court on charges.
I have never been in a fight. I was raised to walk away or only to lay hands on someone if my life was in danger. I don't care what Rihanna said or didn't say or what she did-Chris had no right lay hands on her. Why do you keep finding reasons to defend that Neanderthal? He was wrong, period and he should have served jail time. Well, that's great I'm happy for you that you have never had to fight anybody-am sure others have. It is not a good experience or feeling. The only thing that makes this any different is that these folks are celebs. Women and men are beatened every minute in this country and no one says a damn thing! All of a sudden a high profile incident happens and everybody wanna play judge-that's wrong. It's obvious that you are not willing to see both sides. Maybe you know Chris Brown personally? Anyway, I hope Rihanna is able to deal with this in a good way-like Cinnie said maybe in time we will all see how it ends. [Edited 11/2/09 15:22pm] | |
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scriptgirl said: I'm not surprised and if this was anyone else-ahem, Bouncy-I'd be pissed, but I am curious and I think it's important that Rihanna tell her side, even if it's manufactured
the thing is that if she says anything but "he got off light" she isnt speaking on the topic of abuse. If she says some dumb shit like "she forgives him because the lord forgives all" im going to think of all the women that are abused everyday who will thhink "its ok if he hits me" she has a podium here, if she wants to impress me she needs to get ghetto on the skinny fucks ass, plain and simple, but if she pulls this "hallmark moment of forgiveness" she will lose any form of respect i might have had for her one day. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Cinnie said: scriptgirl said: Judging from his interviews, he is not the brightest or most articulate of beings, so I doubt much is going on upstairs. Like I said, he hasn't acted contrite. The only reason he may even have an inkling of remorse is that this has affected his career.
like El Debarge, yo, time will reveal Exactly and James Brown and Rick fucking James, these guys did things like this ALOT and no one ever said anything, i very rarely see a thread here on how much of a scumbag these dudes were to women. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Cinnie said: like El Debarge, yo, time will reveal Exactly and James Brown and Rick fucking James, these guys did things like this ALOT and no one ever said anything, i very rarely see a thread here on how much of a scumbag these dudes were to women. this is true | |
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lastdecember said: Cinnie said: like El Debarge, yo, time will reveal Exactly and James Brown and Rick fucking James, these guys did things like this ALOT and no one ever said anything, i very rarely see a thread here on how much of a scumbag these dudes were to women. I think a lot of people never spoke on their situations for the fact that they're older .. Seeing that Rih and Chris are young, they're going to get more attention because of the kids that look up to them | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: lastdecember said: Exactly and James Brown and Rick fucking James, these guys did things like this ALOT and no one ever said anything, i very rarely see a thread here on how much of a scumbag these dudes were to women. I think a lot of people never spoke on their situations for the fact that they're older .. Seeing that Rih and Chris are young, they're going to get more attention because of the kids that look up to them true | |
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lastdecember said: Cinnie said: like El Debarge, yo, time will reveal Exactly and James Brown and Rick fucking James, these guys did things like this ALOT and no one ever said anything, i very rarely see a thread here on how much of a scumbag these dudes were to women. You didn't have the vast media or internet back then. Also James Brown has been dead for almost 3 years. Rick has been dead for 5 years. This incident with Chris is recent. Don't laugh at my funk
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nurseV said: I wish she would stop being a victim and get on with her life
What the hell? You realise he even bit her ears and suffocated her to the point of passing out? She only "walked away" because HE stopped eventually. How horrid of you to determine the seriousness of abuse by whether someone walks away from it or not. | |
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lastdecember said: Cinnie said: like El Debarge, yo, time will reveal Exactly and James Brown and Rick fucking James, these guys did things like this ALOT and no one ever said anything, i very rarely see a thread here on how much of a scumbag these dudes were to women. er probably cuz they went to jail... besides Ike Turner is the ultimate wife beater! ![]() | |
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BklynBabe said: lastdecember said: Exactly and James Brown and Rick fucking James, these guys did things like this ALOT and no one ever said anything, i very rarely see a thread here on how much of a scumbag these dudes were to women. er probably cuz they went to jail... besides Ike Turner is the ultimate wife beater! ![]() Hey! The only one who can use that gif is me! "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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ha, let you tell it.
compared to Ike, Chris is an amateur... "bitch, if you die, Imma kill you" | |
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A quick excerpt from Rihanna's interview with Glamour magazine
Glamour: Let’s talk about this past year—you’ve obviously been through some difficult things. How did the people around you help you cope?
Rihanna: My friends and family have been extremely supportive, and everyone has been there for me. But at some point you are there alone. It’s a lonely place to be—no one can understand. That’s when you get close to God. Glamour: Are you referring to the [Chris Brown] incident? Rihanna: I am talking about starting with the night [before] the Grammys and then on. That was not the only thing that occurred this year. The picture leaking…it was one thing after another. Glamour: You’re talking about the photo [reportedly of Rihanna’s injured face taken by police after Brown assaulted her] that was allegedly leaked by cops. You handled that so well; you kept silent in the press. Rihanna: It was humiliating; that is not a photo you would show to anybody. I felt completely taken advantage of. I felt like people were making it into a fun topic on the Internet, and it’s my life. I was disappointed, especially when I found out the photo was [supposedly leaked by] two women. Glamour: Do you feel that this experience has laid the groundwork for coping with anything so public again? Rihanna: It has taught me so much. I felt like I went to sleep as Rihanna and woke up as Britney Spears. That was the level of media chaos that happened the next day. It was like, What, there are helicopters circling my house? There are 100 people in my cul-de-sac? What do you mean, I can’t go back home? Glamour: If you could offer a message to the millions of young women who look up to you, what would you tell someone who found herself in a similar situation? Rihanna: Domestic violence is a big secret. No kid goes around and lets people know their parents fight. Teenage girls can’t tell their parents that their boyfriend beat them up. You don’t dare let your neighbor know that you fight. It’s one of the things we [women] will hide, because it’s embarrassing. My story was broadcast all over the world for people to see, and they have followed every step of my recovery. The positive thing that has come out of my situation is that people can learn from that. I want to give as much insight as I can to young women, because I feel like I represent a voice that really isn’t heard. Now I can help speak for those women. Glamour: Now let’s talk about your success in the world of fashion: You have become a fashion icon practically overnight. What does it mean to you as a performer, as a creative person, as a way to celebrate who you are? Rihanna: Fashion for me is another way I get to express myself creatively. It is one of the fun things I get to do: to play dress-up, and create outfits and looks that aren’t typical. I am an artist, so I like creating things. Shoes are my favorite thing. Glamour: Your look has evolved from the beginning of your career. Rihanna: In the first two years of my career, there were a lot of restraints on what I could do. I couldn’t wear certain colors of lipstick, like bright pink, dark pink or red; [my lips] had to be natural. Eventually, I stopped communicating with certain people at the label, and did exactly what I wanted to do. And that was to cut my hair, dye it black, change my clothes, change my sound. Really to just express myself. Glamour: Let’s talk about that famous hair of yours. Your cut now is even called “The Rihanna” in salons! Rihanna: Yeah, we cut it into a bob for the [Good Girl Gone Bad album] cover shoot, but then I went even shorter for the NRJ Music Awards [in January 2008]. My hairdresser just said, “I don’t feel like doing your hair anymore—I want to cut it.” I was like, Finally! Glamour: Is it too early for you to think, I want to be in love, I want to have a family? Is that too far down the road? Rihanna: I hope I find love in the next 10 years—that will be pretty annoying if I am 31 and still have never been in love! But yeah, I’d like to be in a great place in both my personal life and my career. I still want to be doing what I love. Whatever that is in 10 years, I don’t know. [Edited 11/3/09 7:14am] [Edited 11/3/09 7:16am] | |
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Quote from her Diane Sawyer interview:
"He was definitely my first big love, Rihanna said in the interview. This happened to me. It can happen to anyone." Based on the excerpt from Glamour it seems she is not whitewashing this and not being safe. Also, she allegedly goes into graphic detail with Diane Sawyer about her beating. [Edited 11/3/09 7:26am] "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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scriptgirl said: If you beat someone down, you deserve to be known as an abuser. Plus, he was in court on charges.
I have never been in a fight. I was raised to walk away or only to lay hands on someone if my life was in danger. I don't care what Rihanna said or didn't say or what she did-Chris had no right lay hands on her. Why do you keep finding reasons to defend that Neanderthal? He was wrong, period and he should have served jail time. I'm always amazed by the excuses and the buts..... Your parents have reared you well. We need to teach our children to keep their hands to themselves and their feet on the ground. As Scripts very wise parents taught her, violence is only an option if your life is in danger. The reason why we are being terrorized now is, we've taught our kids the wrong thing(s). Playground rules, somebody hits you or disrespect you, you hit them back/kick their ass. This is more than ignorant.... this is stuck on stupid. The excuse that Mr. Brown is "kid" doesn't stand either. He's a twenty-one year old adult: Welcome to the generation that's been allowed stay in permanent adolescences. Script and I have spoken about this topic amongst ourselves. As I've told her when I did pro bono juvenile justice 25 years ago, 13..16,18, year kids, "Oh Ms. Trina you know it was like this!" Now these fools in their late 30's or middle age and make their home at the State Penitentiary saying the same shit. "Oh, Ms. Trina you know it was like this!" I say to them, "Its the same drama! Can't you come up with some new shit." ===== [Edited 11/3/09 8:00am] | |
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so Chris Brown was 19....
he still isn't 21 to this day Christopher Maurice "Chris" Brown (born May 5, 1989) no excuses, but age is googleable. Rihanna just turned 21 the week or 2 after. So to me, that makes them children. They were both acting like children. Hopefully they both grew up and learned something. What Chris Brown did was totally wrong, but at the same token, common sense kinda dictates that he wasn't just driving along in a Porsche, with his gorgeous girlfriend that he loved, on a night where they both should have been having a great time (Grammy night!) and all of a sudden he got this insane urge to kick her ass for no reason whatsoever. Something happened and Rihanna knows the truth and she should come out and speak the truth. I'm not saying he should have opened the can of whupass that he did, but I think most of us can see rationally that something is not clean with this story and never has been on Rihanna's part. [Edited 11/3/09 8:03am] | |
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BklynBabe said: so Chris Brown was 19....
he still isn't 21 to this day Christopher Maurice "Chris" Brown (born May 5, 1989) no excuses, but age is googleable. Rihanna just turned 21 the week or 2 after. So to me, that makes them children. They were both acting like children. Hopefully they both grew up and learned something. What Chris Brown did was totally wrong, but at the same token, common sense kinda dictates that he wasn't just driving along in a Porsche, with his gorgeous girlfriend that he loved, on a night where they both should have been having a great time (Grammy night!) and all of a sudden he got this insane urge to kick her ass for no reason whatsoever. Something happened and Rihanna knows the truth and she should come out and speak the truth. I'm not saying he should have opened the can of whupass that he did, but I think most of us can see rationally that something is not clean with this story and never has been on Rihanna's part. [Edited 11/3/09 8:03am] I stand corrected age 19, Mr. Brown is an adult still. People who love you don't beat the shit out of you. That's not love, that's hate - a misnomer for why the violence continues. | |
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sad to say, people that "love" each other can do all sorts of heinous shit to each other.
And to me these 2 children, yes children, because they were living up a life and a lifestyle, thinking they were grown when they were not, and I truly believe in this case, they just got caught out there in something, thinking they were cute, and I think they both had some growing up to do and some valuable life lessons to learn, and I think truly neither one of them has learned a damn thing because the adults around them keep enabling their shit. Chris Brown needs to get an education an truly own up to his shit. And Rihanna needs to get an education and own up to her own shit. Adults around them are jocking this for publicity and money and that is truly the horror of the whole situation, IMHO! | |
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Chris acted like child but he is 19. He and Rihanna are both adults. What does Rihanna need to own up to? SHE is the VICTIM. To me the horror of the situation is a young girl was brutally beaten by a man she loved. THAT is the REAL tragedy. Get your priorities straight. [Edited 11/3/09 8:46am] "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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like I already said... Chris was wrong
and like I also said, I don't believe he snapped for no reason. and I will continue to say, Rihanna needs to speak it. Just not seeing Chris as the new Ike Turner of his generation. Sometimes people are crazy. Sometimes other people drive you crazy. Sometimes it's not as cut and dried as you would wish it to be... | |
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scriptgirl said: Chris acted like child but he is 19. He and Rihanna are both adults. What does Rihanna need to own up to? SHE is the VICTIM. To me the horror of the situation is a young girl was brutally beaten by a man she loved. THAT is the REAL tragedy. Get your priorities straight.
[Edited 11/3/09 8:46am] That's a very biased and not exactly accurate view. Calling her a "young girl" and him a "man" when she is older than he is shows this. Also, calling her a victim without knowing all of the truth about how it all got started is also a bit biased. The way I see it, it was a fight. This DOES NOT mean that what Chris did was right - it was not. That does not make her an innocent party in it. Many times women have pushed men over the edge in life and then try to fall back and claim innocent. I don't remember her claiming to be innocent in all of this and I'm not convinced she was simply because of how it was all handled. I don't know - maybe Chris is a monster - maybe he's not. I'm certainly not starstruck and don't really like either of them musically. It just all seemed way too fishy for me to give Rhianna pity points. I agree with BklynBabe - I don't think he snapped for no reason. | |
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I don't care how far you push someone, you don't HIT them. What don't you get? If you have a child and they play your last nerve, are you gonna brutally hit them?
RE people thinking Chris didn't "snap for no reason"-Because yes, this was all a carefully planned stunt to ruin Chris' career. [Edited 11/3/09 9:33am] "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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Important question: why are we talking about two artists whose guts we supposedly "hate" from just their music?
Where's Tiffany Evans when you need her? "THE DEVIL'S GOT YA!" | |
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BlaqueKnight said: scriptgirl said: Chris acted like child but he is 19. He and Rihanna are both adults. What does Rihanna need to own up to? SHE is the VICTIM. To me the horror of the situation is a young girl was brutally beaten by a man she loved. THAT is the REAL tragedy. Get your priorities straight.
[Edited 11/3/09 8:46am] That's a very biased and not exactly accurate view. Calling her a "young girl" and him a "man" when she is older than he is shows this. Also, calling her a victim without knowing all of the truth about how it all got started is also a bit biased. The way I see it, it was a fight. This DOES NOT mean that what Chris did was right - it was not. That does not make her an innocent party in it. Many times women have pushed men over the edge in life and then try to fall back and claim innocent. I don't remember her claiming to be innocent in all of this and I'm not convinced she was simply because of how it was all handled. I don't know - maybe Chris is a monster - maybe he's not. I'm certainly not starstruck and don't really like either of them musically. It just all seemed way too fishy for me to give Rhianna pity points. I agree with BklynBabe - I don't think he snapped for no reason. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Miss fee are you agreeing with me? "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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scriptgirl said: I don't care how far you push someone, you don't HIT them. What don't you get? If you have a child and they play your last nerve, are you gonna brutally hit them?
RE people thinking Chris didn't "snap for no reason"-Because yes, this was all a carefully planned stunt to ruin Chris' career. Yes, children get spanked. In my opinion, one of the biggest flaws in our so-called "modern" society is that kids don't get spanked enough. We have far more criminals and sociopaths in our society these days because of this. I'm old school. When I was a kid, you mess up, you get that ass whooped. It sends a clear and unmistakable message to the child - DON'T DO IT. In my eyes, 19 is a kid. Sorry. I'm a grown man and I know most 19 year olds aren't generally in the same mindset as fully grown adults. Again, I AM NOT EXCUSING WHAT HE DID, I'm just not letting Rhianna off as "the victim" in all of this. It has nothing to do with ruining careers. There are women who are victims of abusive men who are monsters. I know that not all men are monsters and I also know that not all women who have been hit by men are "innocent victims" in the situation, either. Like I said, because this case was shrouded in mystery from the beginning and everybody seems to be covering up something, I can't help but to trust my instincts. If we are calling all violence abuse, Rhianna admitted to abusing her little brother in an interview. That makes her abusive, too. See how that works? I believe this was an argument that grew into a fight because two young people aren't mature enough to have control over their emotions. Until someone proves otherwise, that's what I'm going with. I don't play that girls vs. boys game. Gender bias isn't my thing. | |
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kid knows to scram if he sees my last nerve... | |
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