ernestsewell said:

No one's discrediting them. Again, like I said the work Tina did with other artists hardly get any recognition.

Case of the Ex? Clearly a half-assed "You Want This" been there, done that!
Promise by Ciara?

The only other choreo I can recall Tina doing is "Livin Da Vida Loca" which was right after the TVR tour. Janet presented the MTV award (I think) for best choreo to Tina Notice the chemistry between Janet and Tina around time stiffened.

Hell! even Tina said herself that people are constantly asking her about her work with Janet. Because that's what people remember. The same can be said about Jam & Lewis. Jimmy Jam said they he and Terry weren't on Quincy Jones level so even he would agree that they weren't yet established until they started working with Janet.

I just think people credit the people around Janet and not Janet herself. Which is incredibly stupid.

Janet made these people.

midiscover said:

imho, without Jam & lewis, after those first 2 albums, I don`t think she'd go much far...really

midiscover said:

U must not listen to Urban AC radio. If u did, u would hear Jam and Lewis' work constantly. Cherrelle, Alexander O'neal, SOS Band, Human League, Usher, Mariah, Yolanda Adams, George Michael, Mary J. Blige, and the list goes on and on. All of these people have Jam and Lewis to thank for writing them.

Sure, Janet may be the most successful that they have worked with, but to say Usher, Mariah, Mary, etc. are lower level artists is an insult to their writing and production abilities.

midiscover said:

imho, without Jam & lewis, after those first 2 albums, I don`t think she'd go much far...really

go2theMax said:

The world may never know

CHIC0 said:

According to Jimmy Jam, he and Terry weren't successful before they started working with Janet. He said, "She took a chance working with all of us (meaning Paula Abdul, himself and Terry Lewis).

trueiopian said:

It's called being humble which you don't get out of
some entertainers. One would have to either young,naive,or just
plain ignorant to think these guys weren't successful before
Janet came along and continued to be with other artists as well
after teaming with Janet.

trueiopian said:

It's called being humble which you don't get out of
some entertainers. One would have to either young,naive,or just
plain ignorant to think these guys weren't successful before
Janet came along and continued to be with other artists as well
after teaming with Janet.

phunkdaddy said:

this album dates from the same time as Control clearly j&l were well on their way without the aid of Janet.
[Edited 10/28/09 18:32pm]

phunkdaddy said:

this album dates from the same time as Control clearly j&l were well on their way without the aid of Janet.
[Edited 10/28/09 18:32pm]

ehuffnsd said:

Too bad that was after this:

midiscover said:

not really. they both date from 1986. March and August, which means they were probably recorded in or around the same time period.

phunkdaddy said:

Being humble?

Rightttt....

Or maybe, he's just being honest
He cleary said- "It's not like we were on Quincy Jones level"

Besides I'm sure they had moderate success before Janet but there's no denying that their work with Janet opened doors for them and basically is the highlight of their whole career. It's a two way street. Janet was most successful when she was working with J&L too (before the Superbowl debacle).

Timmy84 said:

I'm tired of arguing and trying to prove a point. Thanks guys for seeing my view.

Timmy84 said:

Awesome song.

Who remembers this early Jam & Lewis hit?

CHIC0 said:

cute! she finally picked her dancers for "Make Me" so she should expect a video this month or next ..