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Printablemidiscover said: ernestsewell said: You haven't done your homework then, if you have to ask those questions. I know the answer it's - zip, zero, nada  Tina choreographed this now classic video: http://www.youtube.com/wa...5jdA9Tdg-k Jimmy and Terry won a Grammy for writing this hit for Yolanda Adams in 2005 http://www.youtube.com/wa...bwOOvAkPVw Jimmy and Terry wrote and produced this hit for Chaka in 2007 http://www.youtube.com/wa...Wmj_eDkBSM So, these guys continue to work, it just may not be as much as they used to. I'm sure that's by choice. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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midiscover said: ernestsewell said: Janet had always said she loved "Come On Get Up" and that it would be a single. I think that song was SCREAMING for remixes and Maxi Single distribution. I feel like Virgin dropped the ball on it all for some reason. This is an interesting quote on Wikipedia, which sort of makes me remember things about why it was never released: "There were plans to release "Come On Get Up" as a commercial single in 2002 and a video was to be shot for the single, but it was canceled. Instead, promo CDs and vinyls were issued to DJs in Japan and America only in November of 2002. Also, on MTV's TRL in Spring 2001, Janet had told Carson Daly that "Trust a Try" would be a future single, but there were no plans for the single release. Instead of releasing "Come On Get Up" and "Trust a Try", Jackson began work on her next studio album, Damita Jo." Virgin pulled the plug on Janet early because they started promoting Glitter. They could've milked that whole album for another year. It was still popular in 2002 anyway. yeah that's what I've been saying for ages, but instead we got shit hop from female singers who couldn't hold a candle to her. I really believe Come On Get Up and Trust a Try would have made the album sell 4 or 5 million at least. With RN, there were 7 singles and 6-7 million in sales, Janet had 3 singles with All For You and sold 3 million and another 2 logically would have given her more. Even though she was respected during VR, I think she was more energetic like the janet. album with All For You and people were feeling her. | |
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daPrettyman said: midiscover said: I know the answer it's - zip, zero, nada Tina choreographed this now classic video: http://www.youtube.com/wa...5jdA9Tdg-k Jimmy and Terry won a Grammy for writing this hit for Yolanda Adams in 2005 http://www.youtube.com/wa...bwOOvAkPVw Jimmy and Terry wrote and produced this hit for Chaka in 2007 http://www.youtube.com/wa...Wmj_eDkBSM So, these guys continue to work, it just may not be as much as they used to. I'm sure that's by choice. There's nothing iconic about the dance in the Rihanna video So? Janet was nominated for a Grammy in 2005 for Damita Jo Are you sure "Angel" was a hit? lol! And all of that doesn't compare to their work with Janet | |
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midiscover said: daPrettyman said: Tina choreographed this now classic video: http://www.youtube.com/wa...5jdA9Tdg-k Jimmy and Terry won a Grammy for writing this hit for Yolanda Adams in 2005 http://www.youtube.com/wa...bwOOvAkPVw Jimmy and Terry wrote and produced this hit for Chaka in 2007 http://www.youtube.com/wa...Wmj_eDkBSM So, these guys continue to work, it just may not be as much as they used to. I'm sure that's by choice. There's nothing iconic about the dance in the Rihanna video So? Janet was nominated for a Grammy in 2005 for Damita Jo Are you sure "Angel" was a hit? lol! And all of that doesn't compare to their work with Janet I'm too lazy to click on the rihanna video, what video? Umbrella? | |
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daPrettyman said: Tina choreographed this now classic video:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...5jdA9Tdg-k Jimmy and Terry won a Grammy for writing this hit for Yolanda Adams in 2005 http://www.youtube.com/wa...bwOOvAkPVw Jimmy and Terry wrote and produced this hit for Chaka in 2007 http://www.youtube.com/wa...Wmj_eDkBSM So, these guys continue to work, it just may not be as much as they used to. I'm sure that's by choice. Tina also won awards for Mya's "Case of the Ex" and Ricky Martin's "livin' La Vida Loca", the latter of which was well after her split w/ Janet, which happened circa 1997/1998 just after Velvet Rope tour (because Tina's boyfriend, one of the dancers Robert Vixen, was sleeping around on Tina. They had gotten engaged while on the tour, having dated for a while already. Janet knew about Robert's creeping, but didn't tell Tina, out of fear of getting in the middle of something. Tina saw it as a betrayal of their trust, and left her friendship w/ Janet.) Tina has been nominated and recieved a lot of awards post-Janet. So yeah.....Tina has worked, and won awards, well after her stint w/ Janet. Hell, she worked with others while working WITH Janet too. Just because SOMEONE didn't hear about it doesn't mean it never happened, or is less significant. This from Wikipedia: Her work with Janet also opened doors to other high-profile artists. Tina has since choreographed videos and world tours for almost everyone in the business – Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Kelly Clarkson, Mýa, Shakira, Pink, Jennifer Lopez, Ricky Martin, Tina Turner, Anastacia, Jay-Z, Samantha Mumba, Lil' Kim, Aerosmith, Marc Anthony, Prince, Deborah Cox, The Pussycat Dolls, Kelly Osbourne, Mariah Carey, Faith Hill, Ciara, Mötley Crüe, Stacie Orrico, Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds, Rihanna – even ice skating champion Kristi Yamaguchi and the Wayans brothers' film White Chicks.
I'm the biggest Janetfag around, and I don't keep up w/ everyone that's ever worked w/ Janet, so even I miss things. But to dismiss someone like Jam and Lewis for being nobodies before or after working w/ Janet is ludicrous. Jam and Lewis were a brand name before Control ever rolled off the presses, and they were still very active and busy after any Janet album. Do folks really think Jam and Lewis are sitting around w/ their thumbs up their butt doing Prince interviews in between Janet albums? SRSLY???? COME ON! Reality, and the business, is WAY bigger than that tiny tunnel of thought. | |
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alphastreet said: midiscover said: Virgin pulled the plug on Janet early because they started promoting Glitter. They could've milked that whole album for another year. It was still popular in 2002 anyway. yeah that's what I've been saying for ages, but instead we got shit hop from female singers who couldn't hold a candle to her. I really believe Come On Get Up and Trust a Try would have made the album sell 4 or 5 million at least. With RN, there were 7 singles and 6-7 million in sales, Janet had 3 singles with All For You and sold 3 million and another 2 logically would have given her more. Even though she was respected during VR, I think she was more energetic like the janet. album with All For You and people were feeling her. Janet is always a steps ahead of the rest. I remember listening to AFY and thinking how creative it was but still very commercial (many fans didn't like it  ) I think this is the album that introduced this generation to Janet. And AFY sold 7 million worldwide. I'm assuming your talking about US sales because RN1814 sold way more then 6-7 million worldwide. | |
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alphastreet said: midiscover said: There's nothing iconic about the dance in the Rihanna video So? Janet was nominated for a Grammy in 2005 for Damita Jo Are you sure "Angel" was a hit? lol! And all of that doesn't compare to their work with Janet I'm too lazy to click on the rihanna video, what video? Umbrella? Yea | |
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midiscover said: alphastreet said: yeah that's what I've been saying for ages, but instead we got shit hop from female singers who couldn't hold a candle to her. I really believe Come On Get Up and Trust a Try would have made the album sell 4 or 5 million at least. With RN, there were 7 singles and 6-7 million in sales, Janet had 3 singles with All For You and sold 3 million and another 2 logically would have given her more. Even though she was respected during VR, I think she was more energetic like the janet. album with All For You and people were feeling her. Janet is always a steps ahead of the rest. I remember listening to AFY and thinking how creative it was but still very commercial (many fans didn't like it ) I think this is the album that introduced this generation to Janet. And AFY sold 7 million worldwide. I'm assuming your talking about US sales because RN1814 sold way more then 6-7 million worldwide.yeah I just meant the US. I like All For You as an album but I liked it one minute and didn't like it the next during the era, but I really did enjoy the era overall and have good memories of going to the tour and seeing her and enjoying her. I thought it was a little lazy on her part and her beats were different from the timbaland sound everyone was copying, but now I realize it's a classic and is probably going to age the best, along with velvet rope out of her all her albums. So I really love it now. | |
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i really do love janet and liked some cuts on 'discipline' but everytime she works on an album we get an article with the producer saying something like
'it'll will be a record like no other' or 'it's going to be an old janet with a new edge' etc... but all we get is an r&b influenced record with 3/4 dance songs, 2/3 r&b ballads, 2 mid-tempos, 1 house/ gay like song and around 2 cringy baby making songs with countless pointless interludes. I'm not holding my breath for anything amazing unless she works with a non r&b / hip hop producer [Edited 10/26/09 16:18pm] | |
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mancabdriver said: i really do love janet and liked some cuts on 'discipline' but everytime she works on an album we get an article with the producer saying something like
'it'll will be a record like no other' or 'it's going to be an old janet with a new edge' etc... but all we get is an r&b influenced record with 3/4 dance songs, 2/3 r&b ballads, 2 mid-tempos, 1 house/ gay like song and around 2 cringy baby making songs with countless pointless interludes. I'm not holding my breath for anything amazing unless she works with a non r&b / hip hop producer [Edited 10/26/09 16:18pm]  Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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ernestsewell said:[quote] daPrettyman said: Tina choreographed this now classic video:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...5jdA9Tdg-k one of the dancers Robert Vixen, was sleeping around on Tina. They had gotten engaged while on the tour, having dated for a while already. Janet knew about Robert's creeping, but didn't tell Tina, out of fear of getting in the middle of something. Tina saw it as a betrayal of their trust, and left her friendship w/ Janet.) Tina has been nominated and recieved a lot of awards post-Janet. So yeah.....Tina has worked, and won awards, well after her stint w/ Janet. Hell, she worked with others while working WITH Janet too. Just because SOMEONE didn't hear about it doesn't mean it never happened, or is less significant. This from Wikipedia: Her work with Janet also opened doors to other high-profile artists. Tina has since choreographed videos and world tours for almost everyone in the business – Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Kelly Clarkson, Mýa, Shakira, Pink, Jennifer Lopez, Ricky Martin, Tina Turner, Anastacia, Jay-Z, Samantha Mumba, Lil' Kim, Aerosmith, Marc Anthony, Prince, Deborah Cox, The Pussycat Dolls, Kelly Osbourne, Mariah Carey, Faith Hill, Ciara, Mötley Crüe, Stacie Orrico, Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds, Rihanna – even ice skating champion Kristi Yamaguchi and the Wayans brothers' film White Chicks.
I'm the biggest Janetfag around, and I don't keep up w/ everyone that's ever worked w/ Janet, so even I miss things. But to dismiss someone like Jam and Lewis for being nobodies before or after working w/ Janet is ludicrous. Jam and Lewis were a brand name before Control ever rolled off the presses, and they were still very active and busy after any Janet album. Do folks really think Jam and Lewis are sitting around w/ their thumbs up their butt doing Prince interviews in between Janet albums? SRSLY???? COME ON! Reality, and the business, is WAY bigger than that tiny tunnel of thought. No one's discrediting them. Again, like I said the work Tina did with other artists hardly get any recognition. Case of the Ex? Clearly a half-assed "You Want This" been there, done that! Promise by Ciara?
The only other choreo I can recall Tina doing is "Livin Da Vida Loca" which was right after the TVR tour. Janet presented the MTV award (I think) for best choreo to Tina Notice the chemistry between Janet and Tina around time stiffened.
Hell! even Tina said herself that people are constantly asking her about her work with Janet. Because that's what people remember. The same can be said about Jam & Lewis. Jimmy Jam said they he and Terry weren't on Quincy Jones level so even he would agree that they weren't yet established until they started working with Janet. I just think people credit the people around Janet and not Janet herself. Which is incredibly stupid. Janet made these people. | |
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alphastreet said: midiscover said: Janet is always a steps ahead of the rest. I remember listening to AFY and thinking how creative it was but still very commercial (many fans didn't like it ) I think this is the album that introduced this generation to Janet. And AFY sold 7 million worldwide. I'm assuming your talking about US sales because RN1814 sold way more then 6-7 million worldwide.yeah I just meant the US. I like All For You as an album but I liked it one minute and didn't like it the next during the era, but I really did enjoy the era overall and have good memories of going to the tour and seeing her and enjoying her. I thought it was a little lazy on her part and her beats were different from the timbaland sound everyone was copying, but now I realize it's a classic and is probably going to age the best, along with velvet rope out of her all her albums. So I really love it now. I think fans expected something more experimental after TVR. I remember some were calling Janet a sellout
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Jerkins commented that while Jackson had a great chemistry with producers Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, new music from the pop star will more than likely not be Jam & Lewis dominated.
“They were taking her in a different direction, but it wasn’t iconic,” Jerkins said of the famous duo. “There is a certain groove, there is a certain melodic-ness to Janet and you have to be able to capture that. Also, Janet writes. A lot of the hits that happened in the past, Janet was heavily involved in the writing process. And if you look on her last three records, she didn’t write at all. So that’s the first thing I did with her. I gave her a pen and a pad and said, ‘We’re going back to the roots. I want you involved; I want to see how you feel.” http://www.eurweb.com/sto...r56981.cfm | |
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trueiopian said: Jerkins commented that while Jackson had a great chemistry with producers Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, new music from the pop star will more than likely not be Jam & Lewis dominated.
“They were taking her in a different direction, but it wasn’t iconic,” Jerkins said of the famous duo. “There is a certain groove, there is a certain melodic-ness to Janet and you have to be able to capture that. Also, Janet writes. A lot of the hits that happened in the past, Janet was heavily involved in the writing process. And if you look on her last three records, she didn’t write at all. So that’s the first thing I did with her. I gave her a pen and a pad and said, ‘We’re going back to the roots. I want you involved; I want to see how you feel.” http://www.eurweb.com/sto...r56981.cfm What has he done that's iconic | |
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midiscover said: daPrettyman said: Tina choreographed this now classic video: http://www.youtube.com/wa...5jdA9Tdg-k Jimmy and Terry won a Grammy for writing this hit for Yolanda Adams in 2005 http://www.youtube.com/wa...bwOOvAkPVw Jimmy and Terry wrote and produced this hit for Chaka in 2007 http://www.youtube.com/wa...Wmj_eDkBSM So, these guys continue to work, it just may not be as much as they used to. I'm sure that's by choice. There's nothing iconic about the dance in the Rihanna video So? Janet was nominated for a Grammy in 2005 for Damita Jo Are you sure "Angel" was a hit? lol! And all of that doesn't compare to their work with Janet You're crazy to think Rihanna's "Umbrella" video is not iconic. It's one of the best videos of the last 10 years. Just because you weren't familiar with someone's work outside of what you are familiar with is an insult to the their talent. Sure Jam and Lewis are not a pop hit making machine anymore, but they have continued to have hits on the Gospel and R&B (mostly adult urban) charts. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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midiscover said: Ok, I was trying to be nice. Don't trash Rodney. He is a great producer and writer. He has created some of the biggest hits of the last 10 years for a lot of acts. "Don't Wanna Be A Player" Joe "I Can Love You" Mary J. Blige (feat. Lil' Kim) "The Boy Is Mine" Brandy and Monica "Top Of The World" Brandy (feat. Mase) "Angel of Mine" Monica "It's Not Right, But It's Okay" Whitney Houston "Angel In Disguise" Brandy "If You Had My Love" Jennifer Lopez "Sunshine" Coko - "Say My Name" Destiny's Child "U Don't Know Me (Like U Used To)" Brandy (feat. Shaunta & Da Brat) "He Wasn't Man Enough" Toni Braxton "You Rock My World" Michael Jackson "What About Us?" Brandy "Lose My Breath" Destiny's Child "Cater 2 U" Destiny's Child "Enough Cryin'" Mary J. Blige "Déjà Vu" Beyoncé (feat. Jay-Z) "Shoulda Let You Go" Keyshia Cole "Feedback" Janet Jackson "Luv" Janet Jackson "When I Grow Up" Pussycat Dolls "The One" Mary J. Blige **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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midiscover said: That's EXACTLY what I was thinking. I mean, he's good and all, but I think he gives himself a LOT more credit than he deserves. How many of his songs sound like Timbaland knock offs? I mean really? Tim will do something in a song and Rodney will put it in his. I do like SOME of his work though. I'm just waiting for Brandy to say something after the album comes out...You know..."He made a sound for me and gave it to everybody else :blah: :blah: :blah:" | |
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daPrettyman said: midiscover said: What has he done that's iconic Ok, I was trying to be nice. Don't trash Rodney. He is a great producer and writer. He has created some of the biggest hits of the last 10 years for a lot of acts. "Don't Wanna Be A Player" Joe "I Can Love You" Mary J. Blige (feat. Lil' Kim) "The Boy Is Mine" Brandy and Monica "Top Of The World" Brandy (feat. Mase) "Angel of Mine" Monica "It's Not Right, But It's Okay" Whitney Houston "Angel In Disguise" Brandy "If You Had My Love" Jennifer Lopez "Sunshine" Coko - "Say My Name" Destiny's Child "U Don't Know Me (Like U Used To)" Brandy (feat. Shaunta & Da Brat) "He Wasn't Man Enough" Toni Braxton "You Rock My World" Michael Jackson "What About Us?" Brandy "Lose My Breath" Destiny's Child "Cater 2 U" Destiny's Child "Enough Cryin'" Mary J. Blige "Déjà Vu" Beyoncé (feat. Jay-Z) "Shoulda Let You Go" Keyshia Cole "Feedback" Janet Jackson "Luv" Janet Jackson "When I Grow Up" Pussycat Dolls "The One" Mary J. Blige I'm not trashing Rodney. I think he's a bit too full of himself to throw shade at Jimmy and Terry like that. I'm aware he created hits but nothing iconic. | |
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daPrettyman said: midiscover said: There's nothing iconic about the dance in the Rihanna video So? Janet was nominated for a Grammy in 2005 for Damita Jo Are you sure "Angel" was a hit? lol! And all of that doesn't compare to their work with Janet You're crazy to think Rihanna's "Umbrella" video is not iconic. It's one of the best videos of the last 10 years. Just because you weren't familiar with someone's work outside of what you are familiar with is an insult to the their talent. Sure Jam and Lewis are not a pop hit making machine anymore, but they have continued to have hits on the Gospel and R&B (mostly adult urban) charts. Well, I think you're crazy for saying it's iconic
and I'm not insulting their talent. All I'm saying is that people give them too much credit and don't give Janet any. Take away all the stuff J&L and Tina has done with Janet and they're left with barely anything. | |
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midiscover said: alphastreet said: yeah I just meant the US. I like All For You as an album but I liked it one minute and didn't like it the next during the era, but I really did enjoy the era overall and have good memories of going to the tour and seeing her and enjoying her. I thought it was a little lazy on her part and her beats were different from the timbaland sound everyone was copying, but now I realize it's a classic and is probably going to age the best, along with velvet rope out of her all her albums. So I really love it now. I think fans expected something more experimental after TVR. I remember some were calling Janet a sellout
Truth is amazingg I was one of the fans who expected another VR. But I still played the album heavily. Truth was beautifully done for sure. | |
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midiscover said: ernestsewell said: I'm the biggest Janetfag around, and I don't keep up w/ everyone that's ever worked w/ Janet, so even I miss things. But to dismiss someone like Jam and Lewis for being nobodies before or after working w/ Janet is ludicrous. Jam and Lewis were a brand name before Control ever rolled off the presses, and they were still very active and busy after any Janet album. Do folks really think Jam and Lewis are sitting around w/ their thumbs up their butt doing Prince interviews in between Janet albums? SRSLY???? COME ON! Reality, and the business, is WAY bigger than that tiny tunnel of thought. No one's discrediting them. Again, like I said the work Tina did with other artists hardly get any recognition. Case of the Ex? Clearly a half-assed "You Want This" been there, done that! Promise by Ciara?
The only other choreo I can recall Tina doing is "Livin Da Vida Loca" which was right after the TVR tour. Janet presented the MTV award (I think) for best choreo to Tina Notice the chemistry between Janet and Tina around time stiffened.
Hell! even Tina said herself that people are constantly asking her about her work with Janet. Because that's what people remember. The same can be said about Jam & Lewis. Jimmy Jam said they he and Terry weren't on Quincy Jones level so even he would agree that they weren't yet established until they started working with Janet. I just think people credit the people around Janet and not Janet herself. Which is incredibly stupid. Janet made these people. Janet is the only major act that promotes her choreographer. you don't see Beweave out there pimping Jonte and Kevin after the amazing work they did on the Beyonce Experience Tour, and Single Ladies. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: No one's discrediting them. Again, like I said the work Tina did with other artists hardly get any recognition. Case of the Ex? Clearly a half-assed "You Want This" been there, done that! Promise by Ciara?
The only other choreo I can recall Tina doing is "Livin Da Vida Loca" which was right after the TVR tour. Janet presented the MTV award (I think) for best choreo to Tina Notice the chemistry between Janet and Tina around time stiffened.
Hell! even Tina said herself that people are constantly asking her about her work with Janet. Because that's what people remember. The same can be said about Jam & Lewis. Jimmy Jam said they he and Terry weren't on Quincy Jones level so even he would agree that they weren't yet established until they started working with Janet. I just think people credit the people around Janet and not Janet herself. Which is incredibly stupid. Janet made these people. Janet is the only major act that promotes her choreographer. you don't see Beweave out there pimping Jonte and Kevin after the amazing work they did on the Beyonce Experience Tour, and Single Ladies. How can you promote choreography? | |
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It makes me mad how some stupid girls I know love those videos with Tina's choreography, but hate on janet so much thinking she's old. Imagine the work Janet may have done with Tina had there been no fight | |
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alphastreet said: It makes me mad how some stupid girls I know love those videos with Tina's choreography, but hate on janet so much thinking she's old. Imagine the work Janet may have done with Tina had there been no fight
People act like Janet has little input when it comes to choreography but that's not the case. She was head choreographer for the RN1814 and came up with some of her own choreo like "I Get Lonely" which remains a classic. I think Janet moved on. Tina had her run. I wish she would move on away, far away from Gil now | |
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midiscover said: alphastreet said: It makes me mad how some stupid girls I know love those videos with Tina's choreography, but hate on janet so much thinking she's old. Imagine the work Janet may have done with Tina had there been no fight
People act like Janet has little input when it comes to choreography but that's not the case. She was head choreographer for the RN1814 and came up with some of her own choreo like "I Get Lonely" which remains a classic. I think Janet moved on. Tina had her run. I wish she would move on away, far away from Gil now I like Gil but I agree. I already know Janet gives in more input than the public gives her credit for. But even though this decade had some good janet choreography, the 80's and 90's stuff was so iconic | |
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Eh I don't really care for Tina Landon all that much, lol Paula Abdul's zany as fuck, lol Gil's clueless but Janet's gon' be alright. [Edited 10/27/09 11:18am] | |
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midiscover said: daPrettyman said: You're crazy to think Rihanna's "Umbrella" video is not iconic. It's one of the best videos of the last 10 years. Just because you weren't familiar with someone's work outside of what you are familiar with is an insult to the their talent. Sure Jam and Lewis are not a pop hit making machine anymore, but they have continued to have hits on the Gospel and R&B (mostly adult urban) charts. Well, I think you're crazy for saying it's iconic
and I'm not insulting their talent. All I'm saying is that people give them too much credit and don't give Janet any. Take away all the stuff J&L and Tina has done with Janet and they're left with barely anything. XXXX [Edited 10/27/09 11:39am] **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: No one's discrediting them. Again, like I said the work Tina did with other artists hardly get any recognition. Case of the Ex? Clearly a half-assed "You Want This" been there, done that! Promise by Ciara?
The only other choreo I can recall Tina doing is "Livin Da Vida Loca" which was right after the TVR tour. Janet presented the MTV award (I think) for best choreo to Tina Notice the chemistry between Janet and Tina around time stiffened.
Hell! even Tina said herself that people are constantly asking her about her work with Janet. Because that's what people remember. The same can be said about Jam & Lewis. Jimmy Jam said they he and Terry weren't on Quincy Jones level so even he would agree that they weren't yet established until they started working with Janet. I just think people credit the people around Janet and not Janet herself. Which is incredibly stupid. Janet made these people. Janet is the only major act that promotes her choreographer. you don't see Beweave out there pimping Jonte and Kevin after the amazing work they did on the Beyonce Experience Tour, and Single Ladies. Does Beyonce tour with her choreographer like Janet does? **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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But yeah Tina helped out Janet in her most iconic work I can agree. | |
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