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SavonOsco said: vainandy said: I know plenty. I listened to mainstream R&B radio from 1979 to 1997. I had been sick of it around 1991 but tolerated it up until around 1997 when oldies stations started popping up. That's when I took the current stations off my dial and haven't looked back since. Unfortunately, the oldies stations were owned by Clear Channel but hey, what can you do? 
I'm telling ya, we got everything y'all got up there and what the radio didn't get, the clubs got, especially the gay clubs as far as house music goes. Jackson has always been a city with a huge black population. In the 1980s, it was probably around 40 to 50 percent and now it's 80 or 85 percent. So as far as R&B goes, we were never lacking. Hell, we even had a local funk scene in the early 80s with several local bands and damn near all the blues artists lived and recorded down here on Malaco records, not that I'm much into blues though. Comparing Jackson,Ms to Phila,Pa?..in terms of being an up to date cosmopolitan area?..OooKayyy.I think you've mentioned that you went to Atlanta a while ago ...any luck out there? I've never been to Atlanta. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Timmy84 said: The South ain't SHIT compared to the North, Andy. They have metropolitans and shit, we have cities. BIG DIFFERENCE. I was talking musicwise only. Hell no, we ain't got shit down here otherwise. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Timmy84 said: SavonOsco said: My point exactly,he was trying to say it's nationwide,but never did any globetrotting.Him saying that he lives in Mississippi and can't leave,explains all of his bitterness and narrow-mindness.I wish him the best. He should've moved at 21, the hell he staying in Mississippi and he complains how racist it is over there, lol. I think I told him why didn't he move, he said because the funk music he likes is played over there, lol I've always said I'm still here because I'm stuck here. It takes money and connections to get out. And why would I say I'm still here because the funk is still played here? If it was, I wouldn't be complaining, there would be no reason to. That makes no sense whatsoever. I was born here, I know no one in another city, I wouldn't know which areas are rough and which ones aren't, I would need a job in another city, and my family all lives down here. If I had an emergency or something, I would have absolutely no one to turn to. . . . [Edited 10/25/09 10:06am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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TonyVanDam said: SavonOsco said: And clearly disturbed if you equate the tempo of music in a club to your chances of getting lucky.House is still 136bpm or so last time I checked. CORRECTIONS: I need to point this out concerning the tempo of electronic music. 1. House (Chicago & French) has always been between 120-125 BPM 2. Techno (Detroit, German, & Japanese) has always been between 135-145 BPM 3. Jungle/D&B (UK) has always been 160+ BPM (which is too damn fast for most of us in the southern part of the USA! )
4. Trance (Europe in general, Las Angeles, Miami) has always been between 140-150 BPM. 5. Electro/Synth-Funk (Los Angeles, Dayton, MPLS, Miami, New York) has always been between 110-125 BPM. Exactly. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SavonOsco said: Timmy84 said: He should've moved at 21, the hell he staying in Mississippi and he complains how racist it is over there, lol. I think I told him why didn't he move, he said because the funk music he likes is played over there, lol He actually said that huh?..That's unfortunate..I'll leave it at that And if you believe that, I've got some swamp land to sell you. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SavonOsco said: Bohemian67 said: Trance is a completely separate genre. House has it's own genres and it's defintely not 135bpm. It depends on the house. You have Garagey house which is about 135bpm. Deep house which is slower and can sometimes be ambient. Beach house- still funky as well as Disco house. Those house genres often contain a lot of vocals. Club (harder than garage house) and Hard house can be around 165bpm, also used for high impact aerobics & by a dj for when the party is pumping. There is also tribal house and then of course a very nice branch, called Progressive house. Exactly..I still can't see how he couldn't find what he was looking in House..So many different types..good post I grew up on funk and disco. When house came out in the mid to late 1980s and on up into the mid 1990s, it was practically a reincarnated modern version of some funky disco. When it branched out into all those other things, it got totally away from anything funky whatsoever. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Harlepolis said: Not this shit again....
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Andy is on his own planet... LITERALLY!  
Come to NC, a bitch will look lost. | |
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I hate hiphop, because I am oldfashioned I guess - I love melodies and singing, and of course the sound is important too....
You can guess why I detest hiphop: no melody, no singing, and the sound is often stolen from an old classic song, with just some lame rhythms added - and I just can't stand that "money & style bragging" in rap. Their clothes are silly too. These socalled "artists" just got no talent at all. The hiphoppers got silly names - are they are poisoning the radio and MTV, making real artists with something on their minds getting less airplay, I absolutely HATE this genre. 
This is of course just IMO..... If you like Hiphop then fine, but please let me hate it deeply   Prince 4Ever.  | |
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The hip hop on the radio today I don't like that much.
The stuff you don't hear on the radio is the stuff I like. Sometimes when I hear a new hip hop track on the radio for the first time I think "Wow, this is really shit, this just can NOT become a hit" After a couple of weeks/months the song is a hit after it has been played a million times. Another thing To me hip hop is supposed to sound rough, innovating, funky etc. I understand that things always change, but if someone would have told me 20 years ago that the following songs, (check you tube links) would be sampled/used by hip hop artists I would not have believed them. http://www.youtube.com/wa...qdC-r1r4wI - Flo rida http://www.youtube.com/wa...UatnbaNfEo - Dead or alive http://www.youtube.com/wa...UatnbaNfEo - TI & Rihanna http://www.youtube.com/wa...ature=fvst - Ozone These songs for me would fall under the SHIT hop genre, and there are so many of them... | |
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Sorry, made a mistake with the link of TI and Rihanna:
This is the one i mean: http://www.youtube.com/wa...FknBy7F2R8 | |
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Shit-hop? AND contemporary R&B?
Plastic producer-music without soul, feeling and vision. Mostly superficial shit,focussing on so called 'cool sounding' surfaces, instead of of offering good compositions, real artistry and first of all: SOUL. | |
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Contemporary hip-hop and R&B is amongst the most 'soulless' types of music these days. | |
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SavonOsco said: seeingvoices12 said: The thing I don't like about rap-hip hop is that all of the rappers sound the same vocally
How the hell you guys distinguish between them? [Edited 10/24/09 16:12pm] so Common sounds like Lil Wayne?Kanye sounds like Lupe?..Snoop and Jay Z really do sound alike?..lol..I get it,I really do,but let's not try insult ones intelligence. duh, Its not that serious... for you they are different , for me the majority is the same.... bye. [Edited 10/25/09 16:48pm] MICHAEL JACKSON
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oh its NOT that bad most of the people on here who complain about todays music are over the age of 35 and are old people 
i listen to almost every brand of black music that exists out there old and new mainstream and nonmainstream and not ALL hip hop or "shit" hop is bad SOME hip hop yes its terrible such as Lil Wayne and Rihanna i cant STAND their asses Lil Wanye needs to pull his pants up brush his teeth and get a REAL JOB and Rihanna her ass cant sing worth a DAMN her voice sounds all whiny and annoying but the rest of them Kanye JayZ TI 50 Cent Ludacris Nelly P Diddy I think they are good IMO i also like Akon Beyonce Neyo Alica Keys R Kelly Usher they are good IMO also but as far as music goes comparing TODAYS BLACK AMERICAN MAINSTREAM RAP/HIP HOP AND R&B AND OLD STUFF i think creativity and orginality is dying older people say that since this brand of music has been touched by the man things started to change drastically and now all we get is this manufactured fast production type shit this hasnt been going on with other brands of non popular black american music such as reggae or African popular music its mostly american made mainstream rap music thats flushing down the toliet SAVE THE MUSIC! | |
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Timmy84 said: Exactly! lol | |
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As much as I don't like the music, I will say I absolutely love watching the youth dance to it. It's incredible how they move and express the music. I suppose we get old when we can't dance the youths' dances anymore.  Whilst enjoying the watch, I do tend to think about the condition of their bodies and joints in 20 years time. That's what putting on 20 years of age does to you. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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seeingvoices12 said: SavonOsco said: so Common sounds like Lil Wayne?Kanye sounds like Lupe?..Snoop and Jay Z really do sound alike?..lol..I get it,I really do,but let's not try insult ones intelligence. duh, Its not that serious... for you they are different , for me the majority is the same.... bye. [Edited 10/25/09 16:48pm] duh?..okay so you're sarcasm is okay when you say they all sound alike,yet my sarcastic response is too serious?..I even put an "lol" after it..boy,bye!...but really..I've read your other post on hip hop and dont like it,I respect that.it's never that serious..especially on here.. | |
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Rakim still doin' it
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Bohemian67 said: As much as I don't like the music, I will say I absolutely love watching the youth dance to it. It's incredible how they move and express the music. I suppose we get old when we can't dance the youths' dances anymore.
Whilst enjoying the watch, I do tend to think about the condition of their bodies and joints in 20 years time. That's what putting on 20 years of age does to you. You know,I used to breakdance as a kid and do that wild mess and to see the youth still doing it is an awesome thing.to see my 5year old son trying to do the same thing is wonderful.Hip-Hop the culture,is a whole different thing to discuss about,but it has it positives.I watch PBS all the time with my kids and the hip-hop influence is all through it.No one promoting bad grammar or bad attire.Hell,one show,Word girl,her catch phrase is "Word Up!" and i giggle everytime.The new Electric Company is awesome.Hip-Hop/Rap can be used for good..it's not as evil as some would like to make it out to be.We've call Southern Hip-hop "shit-hop" years ago,so it's nothing new and most of the southern acts deserve that title again.But the positive hip-hop acts must not be ignored also...I'm off to work,have a good day! | |
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japanrocks said: Rakim still doin' it
we can let this thread die now Now THIS is what I mean...  | |
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Hip Hop is the new Jazz.
Evryone on here will sound dated in a few decades. | |
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I'm a fan of hiphop
but there isnt much stuff out these days that catches my attention i like multible-syllable based lyricism, rapid fire delicvery, and dope beats. not radio oriented sing alongs. im not really for the gangsta stuff so much but a lot of the underground stuff is far too emo/depressing for my tastes (atmosphere for example, slug is dope but the shit they put out is so sappy) i actually write raps and record music so i support the culture im just very critical of what i actually like. i prefer funk music but i cant play instruments so i just kick funky lyrix You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam! | |
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FrenchGuy said: Sandino said: It's been around for 30 years. When rock was 30 it had already reached it's artistic peak. You can't use this excuse anymore.  clap :
Thank U !! Rock music reached its peak somehere between the 70s /80s... But Hip Hop has been going down for almost 20 years... Honestly, l can't wait fot that shit to disappear, getting that "disco backlash" kind of fate!! And lm talking about mainstream hip hop here... The real hip hop lovers will always get their slice... There are so many great underground/indie acts out there.. But come one, hip hop is overplayed, overused, overproduced, and just... over And l will never forgive what it did to R&B music : thuggin it up, and partly killing my "feminine" black artists flourishing careers (Prince, Rick James, Ready For The World, MJ) thanx to to that stupid homophobic, tough [N word snip - luv4u] gangsta state of mind... Thank God, thats what is happening... Just look at the sales... besides Jay-z, hip hop aint selling shit no more!! Even the BEP turned techno (not better though! )Rock & roll is dying or something?. News to me! I agree, I feel hip hop is over played, over produced. How it killed Prince who's still selling records and selling out shows is beyond me. MJ was still selling records and selling out shows to. Rick Killed him-damn-self. Rap didn't kill anything. Did it steal some limelight, sure, but nothings perished in the name of rap. If anything, rap perished in the name of hip hop. I repeatedly got the notion from this thread that, simply because people didn't have a preference for this music, that lead them to believe it was tasteless and talentless and nothing. That's just simply not the truth. It's opinion in the guise of truth. I don't enjoy 95% of new hip hop. It doesn't mean there isn't any talent involved, or that the musicians don't have taste. I don't enjoy %100 of country...do I think these people are talentless and have no taste and are wasting time and airwaves...NO! I understand that I, no matter how hard I try, could NOT do the things they do, that implies that talent is required. to whoever said they could get a poem book and say it outloud and slap a beat on it could rap.....ignorance DOES NOT suit U. That is not rap or hip hop...its reading a poem book over some beats. One would get as much emotion out of it as U put in it. I don't understand why people aren't able to just not like something, not enjoy it, not appreciate it, without insisting that it must be bad, shitty or amoral. peole keep saying hip hop needs to be FAST...well shit, I don't like that AT ALL...does it mean that all fast hip hop songs r shit...no...it means I dont enjoy them....it still took talent to make them, there's still a transference of emotion. i unno...mayb e I'm just an indiot. I also try to draw a distinction between hip hop and rap....is that misguided...are they siply the same thing? [Edited 10/27/09 4:18am] | |
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japanrocks said: Rakim still doin' it
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SavonOsco said: You know,I used to breakdance as a kid and do that wild mess and to see the youth still doing it is an awesome thing.to see my 5year old son trying to do the same thing is wonderful....I'm off to work,have a good day!
How do the youth learn it actually? Naturally by watching and just letting the music move them or do they lessons. In general I mean. Did you son copy you for example? Have a nice evening. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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japanrocks said: vainandy said: It never gets faster than midtempo.
The type of drum machines they use sound weak. They just barely tap and sound like a damn clock ticking. And when they do use harder sounding drum machines, then they pound too hard and actually echo three times longer than real drums. Put this on a slow tempo, which they do, and they end up sounding like a fog horn. Every type of drum machine they use just sounds cheap. People say "Well Prince used drum machines in the 1980s", well hell, Prince's drum machines didn't sound weak and cheap sounding like these today. They were a totally different sound and he also used them in the same songs with real drums, bass, and other instruments. There is no bassline in the music and when they do have a bassline, it is a fake bassline that sounds weak and cheap sounding. With no good drums and no bass, they have taken every element of rhythm out of the music. Those were just the musical gripes I have about it (which are the ones that irritate me the most) but just like they have no imagination and creativity musically, they also have none fashionwise either. Their uniform is baggy jeans, oversize T Shirts, and sneakers. Their baseball caps are basically their wigs. Where the hell is the individuality and outrageousness? There is none. No style whatsover. They glorify a thug and criminal image. And I'm not talking about some wild fantasy type criminal image such as a 1920s gangster or some international spy or something. They glorify the low class common criminal on the street corner that is very easy for people to immitate or even become. They are the most homophobic bastards I have ever encountered. I grew up around some of the worst rednecks around and they don't hold a candle to shit hop when it comes to homophobia. When I used to hear country music, I used to immediately think homophobia because so much of their audience was homophobic. But at least in country music, it was simply the audience and the entertainers themselves weren't using gay bashing lyrics in their songs. But shit hop is filled with homophobic lyrics. That's basically preaching homophobia. It's basically just a talentless, tasteless, rhythmless, degrading, and cheap genre. I don't do cheap and I sure don't put up with assholes so naturally I'm going to hate shit hop. so back your shit up with examples ----- Damm you need examples. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Shit-hop? AND contemporary R&B?
Plastic producer-music without soul, feeling and vision. Mostly superficial shit,focussing on so called 'cool sounding' surfaces, instead of of offering good compositions, real artistry and first of all: SOUL. --- From your post on this board you don't know jack about R&B or Hip-Hop to even know what is good or bad | |
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