The South ain't SHIT compared to the North, Andy. They have metropolitans and shit, we have cities. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Timmy84 said:

Someone in Vancouver tried to tell him that baggy Jeans are dying out and he tried to spin it.Young boys here are wearing thinner jeans also, but he didn't comprehend that fashion and culture has moved on.Because he stuck in Mississippi.

vainandy said:

you mean you don't like Lil' Wayne?

SavonOsco said:

It evolved into the music of death.

SavonOsco said:

Shit here in NC, if you go to school wearing baggy jeans now you get expelled.

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

My point exactly,he was trying to say it's nationwide,but never did any globetrotting.Him saying that he lives in Mississippi and can't leave,explains all of his bitterness and narrow-mindness.I wish him the best.

It's not the genre that I hate. It's the people who listen to it, the way it is such a fad and the way so many people listen to it only because their friends do and they think they've got to listen to it to fit in.

Seriously? You're making fun of me for bumping Prince or Stevie Wonder and you've been bumping Lil' Scrappy for a week? I have to take shit for listening to artists who have been in the game for 30 to 50 years and know how to write, produce and play music, and who's music is probably sampled by about half the rap community?

There is a lot of hip-hop and rap that I love, I just hate how people seem to abandon individual taste for it. It's almost as if many people don't realize Kanye West, Jay-Z, Tupac and other acclaimed hip-hop/rap artists listened to the greats. They didn't become great artists themselves by blasting the latest southern rap in their car all day.

Okay, that's enough from me.

SavonOsco said:

The baggy thing is slowly but surely becoming a thing of the past. The people usually who wear the extra large anythings nowadays are usually really into that ghetto, rawer, hardcore type hip hop. The equivalent I suppose to the metalheads who only wear black.

SavonOsco said:

He should've moved at 21, the hell he staying in Mississippi and he complains how racist it is over there, lol. I think I told him why didn't he move, he said because the funk music he likes is played over there, lol

Superstition said:

The kids just don't know no better, that's it. The genre's great but attitudes are not.
[Edited 10/24/09 21:13pm]

SavonOsco said:

CORRECTIONS: I need to point this out concerning the tempo of electronic music.

1. House (Chicago & French) has always been between 120-125 BPM

2. Techno (Detroit, German, & Japanese) has always been between 135-145 BPM

3. Jungle/D&B (UK) has always been 160+ BPM (which is too damn fast for most of us in the southern part of the USA! )

4. Trance (Europe in general, Las Angeles, Miami) has always been between 140-150 BPM.

5. Electro/Synth-Funk (Los Angeles, Dayton, MPLS, Miami, New York) has always been between 110-125 BPM.

TonyVanDam said:

Jungle ain't too fast for my Southern ass.

vainandy said:

Trance is a completely separate genre. House has it's own genres and it's defintely not 135bpm. It depends on the house. You have Garagey house which is about 135bpm. Deep house which is slower and can sometimes be ambient. Beach house- still funky as well as Disco house. Those house genres often contain a lot of vocals.

Club (harder than garage house) and Hard house can be around 165bpm, also used for high impact aerobics & by a dj for when the party is pumping. There is also tribal house and then of course a very nice branch, called Progressive house.

SavonOsco said:

I never said you couldn't sing. I only stated that I don't listen to any hip hop so I haven't a clue about genres and it doesn't matter to me because the music doesn't move me. I've listened to your sample, thank you. Yes I guess this is not easy to sing/rap.

Still, it puts me sleep it's so slow. The biggest problem is that I find this music so predictable. There are no surprises. You pretty much know it's gonna be the same thing throughout the song. I don't mind that sometimes if a tune catches me. But if doesn't make me 1. wannna dance 2. make me wanna sing along then I would just never listen to it twice.

Thnx for the BPM listing.I was a little high on the house number,but luckily he got my point.

Bohemian67 said:

If you read what you said,you made a comment about singing,but whatever.You acknowledge that you don't have a clue about the different genres,really says it all.The tempo is valid,especially for southern hip-hop.It puts you to sleep,just like classical does for my newborn twins.Which you'd prefer to listen to over hiphop.Classical,that real uptempo,ass shaking,sing-a-long too,classical.I get it...

Bohemian67 said:

If you read what you said,you made a comment about singing,but whatever.You acknowledge that you don't have a clue about the different genres,really says it all.The tempo is valid,especially for southern hip-hop.It puts you to sleep,just like classical does for my newborn twins.Which you'd prefer to listen to over hiphop.Classical,that real uptempo,ass shaking,sing-a-long too,classical.I get it...

SavonOsco said:

You should go and read it again! I was answering the Opening post who had said:

To all the "shit-hop" haters...lemme hear whatcha hate about it.

What do y'all not like about hip-hop or rap. Give it to me dirty. List it, yell it, sout it out, spell it, hell, rhyme it even.

My comments were not directed towards you, but you took it personally as if I was saying that "you" couldn't sing. The fact that I state I have no knowledge of it and that you jump on that fact in an unnecessary agressive way only explains again why I perhaps don't like hip hop. As for the analogy of classical and hiphop. Read again! I said IF i had a choice between, I would choose classical. I also listen to many other genres and if you'd read my previous answer to the bmps comment and the trance being house message, you would not have found it necessary to make such a comment.

You're irritated because I don't like your music. At least I bothered to take the time to listen to what you suggested and join the discussion, even though I don't know a lot about it. That being said, I won't come back to the thread again.

Timmy84 said:

He actually said that huh?..That's unfortunate..I'll leave it at that

I don't have a problem with Hip Hop as a whole, just most of its modern artists. I love me some Jay Z, The Fugees, TLC, Common, Atmosphere, Bro Ali, etc. but the shit coming out of Lil Wayne's mouth is getting old fast. I'm tired of each song being about Money, Hoes and/or guns. The "Gangsta" lifestyle is onE that should be seen as trashy and stupid, instead it is glorified.

Bohemian67 said:

Wow..there's never been any irritation in my text,nor have I taken anything personal from what you said.I've saidmore than once,if you don't like the music,I respect that.I know Im here sick with this flu,but I don't see where you said I can't sing.anyways,I always play the devils advocate(uh-oh,I said the D word).Good dialogue should have both point of views.If I agree,then I agree.If you've taken my responses as aggressive(sarcastic yes)..then get thicker skin.Others on here alot smarter than me with deadlier text.Leaving the thread isn't necessary,but do you.See,not a hint of irritation or aggressiveness.

BobGeorge909 said:

U R not serious right?? Hip Hop has been here for more than 30 years, yet U call it "newest" genre?? To me, it's been there damn too long!

No offense, but l grew up in France listening to different types of music, and hip hop was big bro fave's music in the mid 90s : 'Pac, Biggie, Public Enemy, MC Solaar, the wu Tang (even some genuine old school stuff like Grandmaster flash, Run DMC...).. It was cool for me until, say, 2001ish when the dirty (filfthy, I'd say) South started taking over... Okay listening to Nelly was quite funny, original in its own way... But then alsmost every hip hop song went lower than 90 BPM, and singing ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY about clubs, bitches, drinks, cars, rims, name dropping and all the dumb shit that keep us black people [N word snip - luv4u] , such as materialism and thug aesthetic glorification.. And even worse, that autotune shit!!
duh!! Lyrically, Tupac was no angel, but at least the dude wrote "Dear Mama", "I Ain't Mad Atcha", "Krazy", "Life Goes On", some of my fave song of all-time, every genre included!!

I agree with most of Vainandys argument : The homophobia part, the "dumbing down" thing, the cheap thug aesthetic, the lyrics coming outta their ass... And that machism and misogynistic lyrics : Degrading black women, calling them names, treating them like some piece of meat... What about their sis? moms? U will even find girls singing along!! Self-brainwashing. . .

The only rap artist who has blown my mind for the last 5 years is Lupe Fiasco (talking bout newcomers)... Others rappers l currently listen to are Little Brother, Talib Kweli, Kanye (early work), Nas, Spank Rock, OutKast, Wu, Redman, Mos Def, The Roots, Jay Z (bordeline though)...
The rest is blah to me...

Bohemian67 said:

Exactly..I still can't see how he couldn't find what he was looking in House..So many different types..good post

Ok, thanks, we're cool. Hope the flu dries up
[Edited 10/25/09 6:17am]

Sandino said:

clap :
Thank U !! Rock music reached its peak somehere between the 70s /80s... But Hip Hop has been going down for almost 20 years...
Honestly, l can't wait fot that shit to disappear, getting that "disco backlash" kind of fate!! And lm talking about mainstream hip hop here... The real hip hop lovers will always get their slice... There are so many great underground/indie acts out there..
But come one, hip hop is overplayed, overused, overproduced, and just... over

And l will never forgive what it did to R&B music : thuggin it up, and partly killing my "feminine" black artists flourishing careers (Prince, Rick James, Ready For The World, MJ) thanx to to that stupid homophobic, tough [N word snip - luv4u] gangsta state of mind...

Thank God, thats what is happening... Just look at the sales... besides Jay-z, hip hop aint selling shit no more!! Even the BEP turned techno (not better though! )

FrenchGuy said:

France had some nice hip hop acts back in the day and a great vibe.I've heard a couple of act speak highly of France.I think we are all in agreement that Southern Hip Hop is the culprit here.Let's hope that other acts that don't promote such negative activity gets support.That reminds me,I have to go buy Cuban Linx 2

I hate how they keep sampling the old school music using catchy hooks to make a dollar. They degrade women, and keep talking about their ice, cars and hoes, like that is what life is all about.

Why do 50 men have to be on one stage yelling raps into a mic that nobody can here or understand. I don't totally dislike all hip hop just the songs that are meaningless.

Bohemian67 said:

Yeah we cool,it's just dialogue..and thanx,cuz I feel like shit right now..lol