onecrush said:

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That's because nobody would pay for their crappy music.

Trent Reznor, Alanis Morrisette, Janet Jackson, and countless others have given away songs, and ALBUMS. Prince never will give something away for free beyond those couple of freebies at the beginning of NPGMC.

laurarichardson said:

Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie & The Infinity Sadness are one of the greatest records of all time.. That's what you call crappy?

zaza said:

The Pumpkins just aren't that great. They're more hype, and definitely appealed to the emo movement that started to develop 10 years ago. When you start a song with "The world is a vampire....", you're going to attract a certain crowd. And I don't think the emo kids of today are going to give a fat shit about the Pumpkins anymore. No one else does either.

Billy's uptight and SO self-absorbed, beyond any levity that we allow rock star heroes. In some regards, rock stars are more down to earth these days. The onset of the internet damn near demands it. Stars can't be illusive and mysterious anymore. No one's buying it. We have a constant stream of 411 on the internet, and if anything, the internet and the blogger generation has brought rock stars down a notch or two, keeping their egos in check, and put the fan/star relationship in a whole new light, despite Corgan trying to stay in some other self-created sphere of reality. Fans don't tolerate a lot of nonsense from the people they give money to. Look at the backlash about Lotusflow3r, the lack of anything significant on the site, and people feeling robbed of $77. Then you juxtapose that with people like NIN/Trent who give away albums, songs, and have massive remix contests, plus more.

Corgan's list of abandoned projects is almost as long as Prince's. Remastered albums w/ bonus tracks? Nope. A box set? Nope. An acoustic album? Nope. A live DVD? Nope. An animated show? Nope. Another DVD? Nope. Another CD? Nope. A couple of books (one a novel, one a bio of himself)? Nope.

He's the quintessential tortured rock star, and people just aren't interested in that anymore. He's the only original member of the Pumpkins at this point too, so why even resurrect the name? Just put out a solo album, and let it go at that. I think any press he'll get w/ a new CD will start big, then fizzle quickly. Kind of like Lotusflow3r. haha
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ernestsewell said:

Well..I agree with you in some points. Yes - Billy is arrogant, selfish and he lives in his own reality (Btw, he has started page about his own religion ). As a huge Pumpkins fan I'm disappointed because how you compare Billy to Prince, you are absolutely right But on the other hand - Pumpkins were the most innovative acts of the grunge movement. Nirvana was more punk, Pearl Jam has it's roots in 70's hard rock, AIC and Soundgarden were more metal, but SP with it's mixture of screaming guitar riffs and soft acoustic numbers, sometimes both in one song, was the most enjoyable band. You can't deny that Siamese Dream and MC&IS are classic. Shame that "new" Smashing Pumpkins are living just of it's legacy

ernestsewell said:

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Your spot on about these bums. However I can't figure out why you don't see the Loutusflow3r is not selling millions because it is an independent recording. P should have done more to promote it but I am not sure it would have made a big difference without radio airplay or a large scale promotion.

zaza said:

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Yes, shitty crybaby music that needs stay back in the shitty 90's.

ernestsewell said:

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"Trent Reznor, Alanis Morrisette, Janet Jackson"

because no one is going buy anything from these "big sellers' and why should P give anything away?

laurarichardson said:

It's just a matter of opinion.

zaza said:

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If the Pumpkins and all the rest of that depressing ass 90s rock was so good they would all still be doing something today but frankly the so-called fans who grew up on that noise got real, got jobs and ditched the flannel shirts.

The public has moved on.

laurarichardson said:

My point is made. There are dozens and dozens of artists that give music away to show appreciation to the fans that have supported them over the years. I chose these three. If you wish to chose another 3, I'm all ears to hear that example as well.

And Laura dear, Prince once loudly and widely preached about "just giving music away....no one should own it anyway". Remember a B-side called "Free The Music"? Yeah, that coin was two-sided, it wasn't just about a record contract or master ownership. When Prince released Emancipation in 1996, he priced it a lot lower to folks could afford it. It was before, as well as after, that when Prince talked about just giving music away. That's yet to happen. Of course Prince would say "for $100 you got a lot of new songs, and some videos on NPGMC year one." Well true, and I guess that decision of "worth" lies in the listeners ears. He's constantly charging to just "be part" of something. Why can't anyone just go online and buy the music? Why pay $77 to get the album "free". Well...it's not really FREE is it? Most people paid for the album TWICE. One time they paid $77, and the other they paid $11.98. I'm still waiting for Prince to give something away. Shit, why not make "In A Large Room With No Light" available to EVERYONE for free? We already have it, so why not just give away the new version for free, as a treat? Prince is SO SCARED of NOT making money, or something of his getting away from him (eg: bootleg market, leaked tracks), that he's locked down every bit of incredible potential that is out there.

Does Prince HAVE to give something away? No. No artist HAS to. But why did Trent Reznor and NIN? NIN has a HUGE and faithful following since day one. Trent's created a niche market for his music and the fans love it. Even casual listeners know a NIN song somewhere down the line. Even if it's "Closer", they know it. You know what people remember about Prince? It's not "Dance 4 Me", or "Musicology". It's "When Doves Cry", or "Little Red Corvette", or "1999". Songs we've heard enough that we never want to hear them again. Of course Prince keeps playing them. He's a greatest hits artist at this point, not really ground breaking, unusual, or unique anymore. He puts on a good show in concert, but is he being innovative, cocky, and ballsy? Oh hellz no.

Should Prince give something away? Yes. It's good business. You have to spend money to make money. He has enough money that to put out a song or two, or even an EP (of let's say 4 or 5 songs) isn't beyond him. FREE THE MUSIC, indeed.

zaza said:

SIAMESE

DREAM



Prince couldn't put out a record like that if he even tried

ernestsewell said:

all of that aside, Siamese Dream is genius. No amount of his personal downfalls can ever detract from that being one of the greatest albums of all time.

ernestsewell said:

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I can’t choose three because I don’t spend my time looking for free music. If I like something I buy it to support the artist and because I want to have it in my collection. I don’t feel that artist need to give their fans something for free to show their appreciation as that has not been the case in the past and plenty are not doing it now. In fact I am pretty sure in the RnB world artist can’t afford to give anything away for free as you have artist making more money off of their ringtone than CDs and we know the ringtones are not free.
I am so sorry you still don’t understand that P was talking all that “free stuff “ to piss off WB and the industry in general. Times have changed since 1996. Cd sales are at an all time low and I doubt they are going to return to the high sales of the 80’s. P is not with a major record label anymore; he can’t get his music on traditional radio and apparently had to sign a marketing deal just to get “Better With Time” on the radio. I don’t blame him for charging for his website at all if people want to pay for the content I don’t see why he would not try a make some money off of his music. However, I do think the price is too high and at this point he needs to add much more content or lower the price but, I don’t see anything wrong with artist selling their music on their own sites. Don’t you think the website cost money to run and people running it need to be paid? Or do you expect P to take a financial loss?
I am glad you’re a big Trent Renzor fan because I think that guy needs all the fans he can get (LOL) I honestly think he gives away music because he had no audience that would buy it or such a small audience that no major label wants to be bothered but it is good that you are digging what he is doing.
If you really think the average person walking down the street knows more Treant Rezor than Prince songs I would call it wishful thinking on your part or perhaps it is just where you live because no one I know gives a shit about Trent Renzor he barely sold any seats the last time he was in the Washington D.C. area and P has sold out the large venues in the D.C. area everything he has been here over the last 10 years sometimes with no CD out at all. The thing is P can be be innovative, cocky, and ballsy as he was doing all those things with the “Rainbow Children” and plenty people did not appreciate it so what is wrong with playing the hits sometimes and doing something different (RC) at other times.
I love P’s hits and that fact that he changes the arrangements around all the time which to me is innovative, cocky and ballsy and I hope he keeps on playing them just like The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, Kiss and hordes of other rock acts that people pay shit loads of money to go see because I will be right down at the box office getting my tickets and I don’t have to get anything free.

laurarichardson said:

You sound like the Republican teabaggers and birthers who want to be raped by the insurance companies

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

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You have no idea what you are talking about. Your comparing apples to steaks.

If people don't pay something for music the industry will keep on putting as little money as they can into the development of artist, finding bands and marketing them correctly.

Why do think we have so many shitty rappers? It is cheap and disposable music and I wish more people would rip these no-talent idiots off but no people would rather rip off artist they claim to like because they think they are screwing over the industry when your really fucking over the artist and giving the industry the incentative it needs not to sign anybody decent.

All businesses need to make a profit to continue or just to maintain quality level products.

We are seeing piss-poor quality from the industry now and some of you act like you don't want to have any music at all.

If you like the music open up your wallet and pony up the fucking cash!!!!


In addtion, I would not worry so much about the insurance industry if they lose their anti-trust exemptions their greedy asses will fall in line for reform real fast.

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laurarichardson said:

Pearl Jam still rocks. Alice In Chains new album is killer, even without Layne. So you're wrong.

laurarichardson said:

I support every artist that I love, and enjoy. I buy their music, and I own it.


I'm sorry that you didn't comprehend my verbose response.


When YouTube starts charging, I bet you'll be the first to sign up.


I've yet to find ANY album worth $77, especially in a digital format.


Actually, once I dismissed your snide quip, I remembered that you probably never really comprehend what anyone types. I used NIN as an example. However, I've also stated that I'm not a NIN fan at all. The two free songs Trent offered up for a remix contest with GarageBand are the two I downloaded, and remixed a couple of times for my own fun. I own Pretty Hate Machine, but my NIN involvement ends there. However, your protesting of all things NIN makes me rethink just how much you hate them....or NOT. You're protesting a bit TOO much in favor of kissing Prince's booty.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

HA! Now THAT was funny! I'm not surprised others didn't get it, but I did. Very clever, Mr.

ernestsewell said:

Billy and I share the same birthday. Now you know where my vicious streak comes from

http://www.digitalspy.co....-gift.html



I doubt her label have the same point of view.

GirlBrother said:

I agree!

zaza said:

for real? Alice in Chains? yeah, i saw their new album debut pretty high considering that is like Nirvana releasing an album without Kurt

but i heard their singer sounds like Layne, yeah?

japanrocks said:

That album is really amazing, check it out I'm going to see them live in Prague next month

zaza said:

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No, I am not wrong with just don't agree. Please learn the difference.

ernestsewell said:

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I would love to know what your smoking!!!!

I don't give a fuck about NIN/or Trent Renzor. Your the one going on about his site not me. Your post are not hard to comprehend because it is the same thing over and over again. "Give Me Something Free" which you can't understand as far as P is concerned is not going to happen. It would be in your best interest to get over it and realize we live in a capitalist society and P is a capitalist.

GirlBrother said:

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Of course the label does not share her point of view. They lose money when people rip stuff off and they will drop an artist who cannot move units.