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Reply #60 posted 10/15/09 9:39pm

midiscover

Timmy84 said:

midiscover said:

Good job, Timmy! giggle



Off topic- I've never seen this picture before


eek


You've never seen that before? confused lol


No.... Janet looks scared sad
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Reply #61 posted 10/15/09 9:40pm

trueiopian

midiscover said:

trueiopian said:



You sound really bitter. I don't know what the f--k your issue is with Janet but I suggest you seek psychiatric help and overcome this obessive hate you have of her. THX!

and when I say artistic depth I mean as in she branched out and experimented with her music. Yes, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were a big part of the creative process (because it's their job) but Janet is the Don of it all. and I'm well aware of her latest poor efforts but shit! how many times are you going to bring it up? You must love kicking people when they're already down. Acutally, that goes for all the people that snubbed her over the years. But whatever! rolleyes


You make me happy!!



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Reply #62 posted 10/15/09 9:40pm

Timmy84

midiscover said:

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You've never seen that before? confused lol


No.... Janet looks scared sad


She probably was. On the other hand, she does look like Katherine spit her out. smile
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Reply #63 posted 10/15/09 9:42pm

midiscover

Timmy84 said:

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No.... Janet looks scared sad


She probably was. On the other hand, she does look like Katherine spit her out. smile


There's a picture of Joe holding Randy and his face is priceless lol
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Reply #64 posted 10/15/09 11:24pm

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hmmm
[Edited 10/15/09 23:26pm]
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #65 posted 10/15/09 11:26pm

psychodelicide

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midiscover said:

bboy87 said:


I see you in that Stevie/Prince thread laughin'


you ain't laughin' now! evillol





Prince was probably tipsy and mixed MJ up for Janet evillol
Janet's the genius.


Is that Sha Nay Nay aka Martin Lawrence? lol
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #66 posted 10/16/09 12:53am

suga10

Please. Why would MJ be fearful of Prince when he's owned Prince for the most part of his career success wise. lol
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Reply #67 posted 10/16/09 1:25am

NMuzakNSoul

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midiscover said:






Prince was probably tipsy and mixed MJ up for Janet evillol
Janet's the genius.


Is that Sha Nay Nay aka Martin Lawrence? lol


Yep.

"heyyyyy"
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Reply #68 posted 10/16/09 3:59am

jcurley

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Timmy84 said:

Sounds tabloidish.


No, it's from a recorded interview w/ Ebony magazine. They played those clips right after his death. It was the last interview he did before his death (a few years before actually). However, he could have been talking about his song, or Prince in general.

Let's also remember that it's a bunch of bullshit to think MJ was up fretting over Prince. Even when that interview took place, which was July 2008, Prince wasn't exactly selling oodles of records (not without having included them in the price of a concert ticket). It doesn't seem logical that MJ would be fretting over Prince getting ideas instead of him.

Also, the gifts of God are without repentance, meaning that once God gives someone a gift, any gift, whether it's an idea for a show, a book idea, a picture to draw, a song to write, or a mouth to feed, He never takes it back. He doesn't renege on gifts. MJ's focus was a bit off, but his alleged fretting over Prince isn't what sent him to the grave.





I dont understand what you mean "Itwas the last interview he did before his death"- I thought this thread was about what the promoter was saying. And I dont think anybody here in their right mind would contradict you on the fact that MJ should not have been worried about Prince-but isn't that the point, that if he was it shows that he was a bit neurotic. I dont know how true any of this is, all I'm saying is if he was concerned about Prince then that in itself highlights something a bit awry about Mivhael Jackson. Also if it was true MJ must have been so frustrated-I mean if MJ was releasing his type of music and thought Prince was so talented with his type of music, wouldnt it just depress him. Ultimately I don't believe any of it-I feel MJ was too part of the industry and too much of an egomaniac to ever believe Prince was either equal and/Or superior to him
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Reply #69 posted 10/16/09 4:19am

murph

ernestsewell said:

Timmy84 said:

Sounds tabloidish.


No, it's from a recorded interview w/ Ebony magazine. They played those clips right after his death. It was the last interview he did before his death (a few years before actually). However, he could have been talking about his song, or Prince in general.

Let's also remember that it's a bunch of bullshit to think MJ was up fretting over Prince. Even when that interview took place, which was July 2008, Prince wasn't exactly selling oodles of records (not without having included them in the price of a concert ticket). It doesn't seem logical that MJ would be fretting over Prince getting ideas instead of him.


I think it's less about fretting and more about MJ having a healthy respect for Prince...You have to remember when that interview took place...Prince had just come off of the record-breaking 21 Nights gigs in the UK....And his reputation was still golden after having his album debut 1 two years before(3121). Then there was the Super Bowl gig, which was universally cited as the best musical SB performance of all time...

It's no secret that Prince's immense success at London's 02 prompted MJ to create his own residency there....So yeah...it seems very "logical" that a competitive MJ was being inspired by Prince's overall "comeback".....
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Reply #70 posted 10/16/09 6:01am

purplesweat

falloff @ Prince fams threatened by Michael.
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Reply #71 posted 10/16/09 7:06am

thebanishedone

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i am a fan of both artist but how can they compare?

Thriller ruined Jacksons ability
to grow as a musician.
In my opinion Michael did his best
when he was in the Jacksons band.
Blues Away sounds more mature and sophisticated
then most of Michaels solo work
Michael was amazing singer but how could he do
a better artistic show then Prince?

Jacksons tour were always the same since Victory.
The same setlist,same choreography since 1984 Victory tour,
with only one thing changing,more and more his emotions
were fake and more playback in the concerts.

If Michael had the balls to go out in Arena and sit down with acoustic guitar and if he strummed it and sing set list like this:

This Place Hotel
I Cant Help it
Blues Away
Blame it on Boogie
Dont stop till u Get Enough
We're almost There

with no Billie Jean or other obligatory stuff ,
then i would think different,but yes he was great
in his own merits but as a musician he could never compare
to Prince never.
Imagine prince still doing same arangments with same
setlist like Purple Rain tour with same costumes,we'll be bored to that.
Prince maybe don't have big statues,pyrotehnics and he don't cry during his songs
like Michael cried everytime during She's Out of my Life but P could go out with only his piano and voice and wake up kind of deeper emotions then Jackson ever did.
so i say
Jackson could have been great great artist but instead of learning a lick or to on any instrument he was too busy hanging out with kids and Liz Taylor...
shame
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Reply #72 posted 10/16/09 7:42am

dag

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bboy87 said:

Revolution said:

MJ was obsessed....lol

If I remember correctly, it was a joke Michael made to Kenny



lol @ people on the Org thinking Michael was obsessed with Prince or vice versa. I took it as 2 icons who had a friendly competition over the years. They had alot of respect for each other

Exactly. If Mike ever said that, it sounds more like a joke to me. lol
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really donĀ“t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #73 posted 10/16/09 7:58am

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If he was still trying to rival Prince then he's crazier than I thought because Prince hasn't been successful in the mainstream in years.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #74 posted 10/16/09 8:00am

Layzie

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dag said:

bboy87 said:


If I remember correctly, it was a joke Michael made to Kenny



lol @ people on the Org thinking Michael was obsessed with Prince or vice versa. I took it as 2 icons who had a friendly competition over the years. They had alot of respect for each other

Exactly. If Mike ever said that, it sounds more like a joke to me. lol



I think MJ was still upset losing to Prince in table tennis.

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Reply #75 posted 10/16/09 8:22am

thebumpsquad

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vainandy said:

If he was still trying to rival Prince then he's crazier than I thought because Prince hasn't been successful in the mainstream in years.


As opposed to Michael, who's been releasing album after album and successful tour after successful tour in the 00's?

Typo hammer
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Reply #76 posted 10/16/09 8:34am

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thebumpsquad said:

vainandy said:

If he was still trying to rival Prince then he's crazier than I thought because Prince hasn't been successful in the mainstream in years.


As opposed to Michael, who's been releasing album after album and successful tour after successful tour in the 00's?

Typo hammer
[Edited 10/16/09 8:24am]


Neither one of them have been successful, that was my point. Being unsuccessful these days isn't a bad thing though, it's a good thing because look at what is successful these days.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #77 posted 10/16/09 8:37am

Ottensen

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Also, the gifts of God are without repentance, meaning that once God gives someone a gift, any gift, whether it's an idea for a show, a book idea, a picture to draw, a song to write, or a mouth to feed, He never takes it back. He doesn't renege on gifts. MJ's focus was a bit off, but his alleged fretting over Prince isn't what sent him to the grave.




Wisdom.
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Reply #78 posted 10/16/09 8:42am

Ottensen

midiscover said:

Timmy84 said:



You've never seen that before? confused lol


No.... Janet looks scared sad



People seriously need to stop reading into shit and creating boogymen where there are none. I was justt about to remark what a beautiful chil she was with those full doe eyes disbelief arrow
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Reply #79 posted 10/16/09 8:53am

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ernestsewell said:

Timmy84 said:

Sounds tabloidish.


No, it's from a recorded interview w/ Ebony magazine. They played those clips right after his death. It was the last interview he did before his death (a few years before actually). However, he could have been talking about his song, or Prince in general.

Let's also remember that it's a bunch of bullshit to think MJ was up fretting over Prince. Even when that interview took place, which was July 2008, Prince wasn't exactly selling oodles of records (not without having included them in the price of a concert ticket). It doesn't seem logical that MJ would be fretting over Prince getting ideas instead of him.

Also, the gifts of God are without repentance, meaning that once God gives someone a gift, any gift, whether it's an idea for a show, a book idea, a picture to draw, a song to write, or a mouth to feed, He never takes it back. He doesn't renege on gifts. MJ's focus was a bit off, but his alleged fretting over Prince isn't what sent him to the grave.



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Randy Phillips and Kenny Ortega and MJ's manager have now repeated this story numerous times it is not rubbish. MJ was worried about P but I think we all know that he was being silly and paranoid. P was never going to catch him sales wise and MJ has already sold out more shows at O2. Mike had worries but he manufactured those worries which is sad.
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Reply #80 posted 10/16/09 9:12am

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Prince don't need to be succesful in mainstream because he is icon
and he filled London 02 arena every nite for 21 days
who can do that
Beyonce?
Justin
Lady Gaga
i don't think so
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Reply #81 posted 10/16/09 9:55am

WetDream

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thebanishedone said:

i am a fan of both artist but how can they compare?

Thriller ruined Jacksons ability
to grow as a musician.
In my opinion Michael did his best
when he was in the Jacksons band.
Blues Away sounds more mature and sophisticated
then most of Michaels solo work
Michael was amazing singer but how could he do
a better artistic show then Prince?

Jacksons tour were always the same since Victory.
The same setlist,same choreography since 1984 Victory tour,
with only one thing changing,more and more his emotions
were fake and more playback in the concerts.

If Michael had the balls to go out in Arena and sit down with acoustic guitar and if he strummed it and sing set list like this:

This Place Hotel
I Cant Help it
Blues Away
Blame it on Boogie
Dont stop till u Get Enough
We're almost There

with no Billie Jean or other obligatory stuff ,
then i would think different,but yes he was great
in his own merits but as a musician he could never compare
to Prince never.
Imagine prince still doing same arangments with same
setlist like Purple Rain tour with same costumes,we'll be bored to that.
Prince maybe don't have big statues,pyrotehnics and he don't cry during his songs
like Michael cried everytime during She's Out of my Life but P could go out with only his piano and voice and wake up kind of deeper emotions then Jackson ever did.
so i say
Jackson could have been great great artist but instead of learning a lick or to on any instrument he was too busy hanging out with kids and Liz Taylor...
shame


BOOOYAAAA!!

Right from my thoughts.
This Post is produced, arranged, composed and performed by WetDream
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Reply #82 posted 10/16/09 10:07am

Graycap23

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The way I see it (and bear in mind I'm a HUGE fan of both) is that Michael always saw Prince as his rival. Always. Michael instigated the "rivalry" and fed stories about to the media for PR purposes.

Prince never saw it that way, because he's always been just about the music mostly. Although I love their music equally, Prince has never concerned himself with PR stunts whereas Michael was all about that (giant statue of himself floating down the river anyone? smile )

I think Michael was very much intimidated by Prince's talent. I mean, if Michael had a musical idea in his head, it might take him a few days, a few engineers and a bunch of session musicians before he got it to where he wanted it, whereas Prince would bang out a hit in a few hours, play everything on it, mix it, boom.

Also Prince was the one every other artist was attempting to copy musically. Everyone from Ready For The World to Phil Collins etc. And of course on top of Prince's own hits you had joints like "Manic Monday" and "Stand Back" getting a lot of play.Let's not forget that Janet and Latoya were big Prince fans and it's been said they would play "1999" and "Controversy" a lot at the Jackson HQ in Encino, and Michael was still living there too.

I think Michael wanted to feel more in control. I hate to say it but I think "We Are The World" was an exercise in egomania as much as it was a charitible thing to do. All those big artists, singing Michael's song. It's no wonder Prince didn't want to be part of it, he was his own man. Same thing with him turning down "Bad". The idea for Prince and Michael to duet on "Bad" was purely done from a PR and hype perspective and not a musical one.

We don't know how serious Michael's tone was, how he meant this statement he said to Kenny at the This Is It rehearsals, but let's remember that even when people say things like this jokingly there's usually some truth behind it.

I've no doubt that he would have liked to beat Prince's record of 21 nights at the O2, but it was never gonna happen. Aside from Prince's alleged hip issues, Prince is a fit, healthy, drug-free man and even he was most likely exhausted at the end of his 12 nights residency. Even before MJ passed I was saying that if the shows did go ahead, there was no way that Michael would be able to do more than 10, at the very most.

All the people around Michael simply saw dollar signs in their eyes. Nobody was concerned about his well-being. It's certainly not implausible to think that perhaps he wanted to cancel the whole thing, and so they killed him.
[Edited 10/15/09 19:32pm]

Print.....FRAME
TRUTH.
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Reply #83 posted 10/16/09 10:13am

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FAKE NEWS STORY OF THE WEEK! ..... lol

NEXT WEEK ... Madonna and Blondie the "True" Rivalry ..... lol
Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
James Brown & Michael Jackson RIP, your music still lives with us!
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Reply #84 posted 10/16/09 10:23am

brightlight

ernestsewell said:

Timmy84 said:

Sounds tabloidish.


No, it's from a recorded interview w/ Ebony magazine. They played those clips right after his death. It was the last interview he did before his death (a few years before actually). However, he could have been talking about his song, or Prince in general.

Let's also remember that it's a bunch of bullshit to think MJ was up fretting over Prince. Even when that interview took place, which was July 2008, Prince wasn't exactly selling oodles of records (not without having included them in the price of a concert ticket). It doesn't seem logical that MJ would be fretting over Prince getting ideas instead of him.

Also, the gifts of God are without repentance, meaning that once God gives someone a gift, any gift, whether it's an idea for a show, a book idea, a picture to draw, a song to write, or a mouth to feed, He never takes it back. He doesn't renege on gifts. MJ's focus was a bit off, but his alleged fretting over Prince isn't what sent him to the grave.



I Totally Agree
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Reply #85 posted 10/16/09 12:49pm

Chic35

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Timmy84 said:

ernestsewell said:



No, it's from a recorded interview w/ Ebony magazine. They played those clips right after his death. It was the last interview he did before his death (a few years before actually). However, he could have been talking about his song, or Prince in general.

Let's also remember that it's a bunch of bullshit to think MJ was up fretting over Prince. Even when that interview took place, which was July 2008, Prince wasn't exactly selling oodles of records (not without having included them in the price of a concert ticket). It doesn't seem logical that MJ would be fretting over Prince getting ideas instead of him.

Also, the gifts of God are without repentance, meaning that once God gives someone a gift, any gift, whether it's an idea for a show, a book idea, a picture to draw, a song to write, or a mouth to feed, He never takes it back. He doesn't renege on gifts. MJ's focus was a bit off, but his alleged fretting over Prince isn't what sent him to the grave.




Yeah I see what you mean. I meant the way the title is, lol. I think the way MJ said it he was joking or something.

If he was HIGH out of his mind on meds then paranoia could have been setting in. Most of his friends and even Latoya said Michael thought somebody was trying to kill him.
The message you are about to hear are not meant for transmission. Should ONLY be accessed in the privacy of your mind. Words are so intense so if you dare to listen.Take off your clothes and meet me between the lines. wildsign
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Reply #86 posted 10/16/09 1:54pm

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Wow, Prince.org is the only site that took Michael's quote seriously falloff
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #87 posted 10/16/09 1:56pm

midiscover

Ottensen said:

midiscover said:



No.... Janet looks scared sad



People seriously need to stop reading into shit and creating boogymen where there are none. I was justt about to remark what a beautiful chil she was with those full doe eyes disbelief arrow


giggle
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Reply #88 posted 10/16/09 2:07pm

murph

LondonStyle said:

FAKE NEWS STORY OF THE WEEK! ..... lol

NEXT WEEK ... Madonna and Blondie the "True" Rivalry ..... lol



Actually, the way that the tabloid framed MJ's comment about Prince was "fake"....But the actual news is indeed true and was reported on a few months ago. It's from the mouth of Kenny Ortega...So the hardcore MJ fans who take issue with it should write Kenny a letter...lol
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Reply #89 posted 10/16/09 2:08pm

murph

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Please. Why would MJ be fearful of Prince when he's owned Prince for the most part of his career success wise. lol




There's a wise saying...A man who has everything is a man who has nothing....


Think about it...
[Edited 10/16/09 16:01pm]
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