Timmy84 said:

For real!

PLEASE do not start comparing the Queen Of Fucking Soul to ANYONE

Cinnie said:

Chill out!

Janet's about to beat her

midiscover said:

i think mariah's closer to beating Aretha than Janet.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

I'm talking the R&B charts "dahling"
Mariah has 10 and Janet has 16

midiscover said:

The US is her biggest single market. Although she has done quite well overall, her profile and success (taking the size of its consumer base into account) on the international scene is not nearly as high as in the US. Her global following has also dwindled at a significantly greater rate than in the US since 2004.

VoicesCarry said:

bboy87 said:

Somebody`s Watching Me peaked at No. 2 on the Hot 100.

VoicesCarry said:

Yea, but looking at her numbers she sold more outside of the U.S.

trueiopian said:

Janet, also has quite a few No. 2 hits on the Hot 100:

-Let`s Wait Awhile
-Rhythm Nation
-Come Back To Me
-Any Time, Any Place

midiscover said:

You can`t look at raw sales numbers and compare them like that - US is 300 million people, the rest of the world is billions. She is certified for 26 million units in the US (but has probably sold around 30 million when undercertified albums are taken into account) and her total worldwide album sales (US included) stand at around 65-70 million albums. She has sold about 50% of those albums to a market that has only 30-35% of the worldwide share in music sales.

Add forty million singles and you get the 100 million figure.

VoicesCarry said:

Is she right on the 100 million mark or over?

midiscover said:

She's ahead of The Temptations and Marvin Gaye!

and yes, she's the Queen of music

midiscover said:

It is probably not realistic for Janet to get another five No. 1 R&B hits in her career. If the SuperBowl hadn`t happened, then perhaps. The problem with Janet is that, as she aged, she focused more on appealing to Top 40 than to Urban or Urban AC formats. Unfortunately, no radio format is more ageist than Top 40. Furthermore, Janet hasn`t had a No. 1 hit at Urban radio in over a decade (All For You - which wasn`t a very Urban track - is her highest peaking track this decade, reaching No. 4, solely based on its popularity at other formats). The R&B charts use Urban and Urban AC play plus sales of physical (not digital) singles to determine chart placement. So, she`d need a really massive Urban radio hit in order to top the charts. But, she still has a better chance of topping the R&B charts again than the Hot 100.

Before anyone asks, Call On Me peaked at No. 5 at Urban and went Top 20 at Urban AC. That wasn`t enough to propel it to No. 1 on the R&B charts - they needed a physical release to do that.

midiscover said:

100 million is certainly realistic, but I wouldn`t go too much higher. Remember that any estimation of worldwide record sales is purely that - an estimation. This is why Mariah, Madonna, Celine Dion and Barbra Streisand`s press releases can all claim that each lady is the best-selling female artist of all time. It`s really just a pissing contest.

trueiopian said:

WALK FOR THE GODS!!!!!

Janet done snatched everyone's wig
and @ the lady in red saying "Oh my God!" Yes!!!!! God is right before your eyes!
[Edited 10/14/09 15:53pm]

VoicesCarry said:

I thought it was the other way around...Janet has been trying to appeal to the Urban market. and Call on Me did hit #1 on the R&B chart that's why it's on the upcoming GH collection.

midiscover said:

Call On Me European Hot 100 Singles
Call On Me Hot Digital Songs 26
Call On Me Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks 1
Call On Me Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks 16
Call On Me Hot Ringtones 25
Call On Me Pop 100 33
Call On Me Pop 100 70
Call On Me Pop 100 Airplay 34
Call On Me Pop 100 Airplay 34
Call On Me Rhythmic Top 40 21
Call On Me Rhythmic Top 40 23
Call On Me The Billboard Hot 100 25
Call On Me The Billboard Hot 100 60
Call On Me Top 40 Mainstream 32

midiscover said:

okay the only proper way out of this is to photoshop Aretha's inauguration hat onto Janet circa "Dream Street"

Cinnie said:

Why?

VoicesCarry said:

they're so full of it


all of em

it's enya

midiscover said:

how do you figure?

post All For You/Age 35, save the flop of "Just a Little While" and the most recent hit "Feedback" (and the flop "Rock With You)" the below singles, to ME, feel MUCH more aimed at Urban and/or AC.

"I Want You"
"All Nite"
"Call on Me"
"So Excited"
"Take Care" was on AC radio here in LA
"With U"

badujunkie said:

"Just A Little While" was a number one dance song. "Feedback" didn't hit number one.

"Take Care" got LOTS of airplay during the quiet storm. I think WGCI in Chicago was the first to break it. They also broke "Until The End of Time" from JT and made the record company consider releasing it as a single.

daPrettyman said:

No, it's an edit of the album version.

midiscover said:

Call On Me was a Pop track that wound up doing a lot better at Urban. It was premiered on the biggest Pop station in the country (Z100 in NYC). Janet's singles in general this decade (All For You, Someone To Call My Lover, Just A Little While, etc.) are squarely aimed for Top 40 success and were indeed more successful at that format versus Urban.

daPrettyman said:

Feedback went to #1 at Hot Dance Music/Club Play, too. It was definitely made for Top 40 radio, but wound up doing slightly better at Urban, at least in terms of chart placement (even though it's not something Urban would typically play) simply because there is less anti-Janet vitriol at the Urban format versus at Top 40.

If Janet were to make a strong Urban-oriented track and send it for adds at Urban and Urban AC only, and *then* try to cross over to Top 40 if/when it became a success at those core formats, I think her chances for having a hit would be much greater.

VoicesCarry said:

Call on Me is straight up R&B spiced with Hip-hop. It was premiered on there because Virgin expected it to take off based on Janet's previous Hot 100 accomplishments but 20 Y.O. as a whole was aimed towards the Urban market. Janet said herself that she was only getting love from the Urban side after the SB. Damita Jo is a blend of Pop and R&B. The whole album was done before the Superbowl and then rushed to shelves soon after. I know all her singles BEFORE the Superbowl were aimed for Top 40 or higher success because she always got success on there. But 20 Y.O. and Discipline are as Urban as it gets I don't know what the hell she was thinking releasing Urban music Especially when she didn't do it before.

After two three undeniable flop albums she's releasing yet another best-of set?
[Edited 10/14/09 20:43pm]

midiscover said:

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think the production is *very* pop. It had a lot more in common with what was being played at Top 40 at the time than at Urban.



Well, it was probably premiered there because it's the biggest radio station in the country. You are right that 20 Y.O. as a whole was aimed more at the Urban market. To clarify, I was speaking more about her singles leading up to and immediately following the SB. The All For You album in particular moved her farther away from Urban than she had probably ever been before.



I can't agree that Discipline is as Urban as it gets, at least in its marketing and execution. The first three singles from that project (Feedback, Rock With U, Luv) were pure pop. The Velvet Rope is probably the record with the most consistent Urban appeal that she's released.



Janet had always had major success at Urban, although when she was releasing her biggest hits it was a much different format (more pop-leaning) than it is today. She is one of the biggest crossover artists of all time, as her appeal spanned Top 40, Rhythmic and Urban formats alike. That's hard to do.

Copycat said:

Yet another? She has *one* best-of set that was released 14 years ago and only covers two albums of her career. Yeah, I'd say she's overdue for another.