My favorite reversed passage---> http://www.youtube.com/wa...do#t=1m52s

Cinnie said:

Damn, that's hot, lol

midiscover said:

No, you're not crazy. I hear it too

trueiopian said:

Timmy84 said:[quote]Unintentional:



(Someone finally exposed the myth to the "Stairway to Heaven" so-called Satanic message by recording his own take)
Again, this type of thing, people believe what they believe. I respect someone's opinion and their thought process to not believe none of this is intentional. I have studied backmasking and reverse recording for many years. The myth behind most of it is that only one genre, rock, uses backmasking. That's soooo not the case. It's been used for many decades and in different genres such as country and western and blues to more and more in rap. In the past 15 years, you will find backmasking in the rap genre more than anywhere else. Popeye The Sailor Man cartoons contained many reversed recordings. Their not backmasked, but their reversed. There is a major difference between something recorded in reverse and a backmask. The talking on the intro to Baby I'm A Star for instance, that's recorded in reverse. Same as with Darling Nikki. When it's played normal, of course you can't understand what's said. Only when it's played in reverse can you hear "What the fuck do they know? All their taste is in their mouth. What the fuck do they know." to "Hello, how are u? I'm fine cuz I know the Lord is comming soon. Coming, coming, soon. ha ha ha ha ha ha". There is NOTHING accidental about that. A "backmask" can be found where I mentioned on The Time's second album earlier. That's a backmask. When something is said or sung in English when played foward but when it's reversed, it's says something enitirely different in English. It takes time and much experimentation in the studio but it can and has been done many times. Many people choose to not believe it simply because they have no clue on the process that's involved. It's like the old saying "Folks can't believe in things that they don't understand." Zeppelin's Stairway was definately intentional. Someone's else's recorded version won't be the same because you have to pronounce certain words a specific way, for instance. Your phrasing in your speech sometimes has to be slower or faster in specific places in the passage, ..their are different elements involved. It's all trial and error, recording a certain section over and over untill it comes out right is usually how a clean backmask is captured. Pronunciation is everything in trying to create a backmask. That and timing, different speeds in your speech or singing, all goes into it.

Reverse recording was used extensively in the old cartoon "Popeye The Sailor Man". Ever noticed when Popeye gets his ass kicked by Brutus and he's walking away, he's mumbling? If you reverse that audio, Popeye is cursing up a storm. That was intentional because before the cartoon, in the comic strip on Popeye, Popeye cursed a lot. Of course they would use shit like #@%* in the comic books. He was a sailor so he "cursed like a sailor". When they made the cartoon, they still wanted him to curse so they just reversed that section whenever Popeye got mad. That's why you never understood what he was saying. I've seen footage of this from someone who was studying backwards speech. They had a tape of footage where this is used in all different types of recordings. Not just "rock". But Zeppelin is one of my all time favorite bands and I know a lot about the band. Jimmy Page was an avid follower in Aleister Crowley. As were The Beatles. Crowley written much about reverse speech and listening to music in reverse and even watching films in reverse. he believed there is magic and power in reversed recordings. Jimmy Page was neck high into Crowley and he infused Crowley's theories into Zep's music. Stairway is no exception. There is no coincedence when you play the second verse of that song backwards that you hear the word "satan" as many times as you do. To me, that was totally intentional. There is a reason Robert Plant sings in this song "You know words, they have to meanings." Again, the theme Paul is Dead is placed in many songs by The Beatles. Blue Jay Way is loaded with backmasked recordings where George sings "Paul is bloody. He's so very bloody." There is a similar theme in The Eagles "Hotel California". The Church of Satan headquarters in the 60's and 70's in San Francisco was what used to be an old hotel. The hotel used for this was on California Ave. Thus you get "Hotel California". When you play the chorus of the song in reverse, you can hear Henley sing "yeah satan has his own relegion...isn't that nice." Anton LaVey, who was head of this church, is on the album cover among the crowd on Hotel California. This all has been well documented and many kids in the 70's were hip to this. No coincidence. It was placed. Like I stated earlier, some are by accident. But Zepp's Stariway, The Beatles, Prince's, The Eagles, nah...that's no accident.
[Edited 10/8/09 18:41pm]

ahhh okay blackguitaristz last 2 posts are the truth

I just don't think Janet's would be intentional. And although people find messages in just about everything, I don't think they are always planted.


I DO believe sometimes when people are emoting, they might be expressing something else in reverse (but not intentionally). Like when people find backmasked messages in unrehearsed emotional interviews.

Cinnie said:

Yeah it depends on how it's perceived.

Cinnie said:

Well please don't sound so disappointed. Especially on my account. The first thing I stated on my first post is I'm NOT into argueing or debating with folks. Again, I respect a person's right to believe or NOT to believe in ANYTHING. I'm certainly NOT the cat who's into trying to convince people about anything. You believe what you believe and so do I. I'm only speaking from my own opinion and from my own experience recording in the studio, that's all. I know that backmasking is done and HOW it's done. There have been people for years, man, years, that don't believe in it. Total coincidence they say. That's all groovy as gravy, you know. Right on. People are different. I'm not about condeming somebody simply because their opinion happens to be different than mine.
[Edited 10/9/09 1:23am]

I actually agree (and see) your point of view, BGZ.

blackguitaristz said:

Agreed.

Timmy84 said:

I can dig it.

So the one thing I took from this thread is the idea that backmasking isn't just on old rock records, but also new songs.

When I said "that would explained why some lines sound mumbled" that was my actual realization that this could have occurred in many songs. Especially rap, where people change the pronunciation of words just for stylistic purposes (ON THE SURFACE).

So, this morning my alarm clock came on to the local hits station and I was listening to Beyonce's latest single "Sweet Dreams (Beautiful Nightmare)".

Anyway, so there was one part where all the music dropped out and I was half asleep but I swear I couldn't tell what she was even singing FRONTWARDS and I was thinking, I bet that's a fucking backmasked message! (The rest of the song sounded normal.)

http://www.youtube.com/wa...BE#t=2m22s

Just for fun I Youtubed the Beyonce song, and guess what, other crazy mental patients like me had already reversed the song, and the message was in that exact part I thought sounded slurred!!!!!

But the backmasked message was just "Iiii'm so horny"

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ss#t=0m48s

I know;