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PrintableThreadBare said: Live Nation's paid out some pretty hefty deals to stars. What's their financial picture?
 Well tours arent doing so well this year at all, they threw alot of money at Big names, but they are getting money back from all areas not just shows, they also are getting endorsement cash, and other things that the artist might be into to. But its almost a given that BIG TOURS always lose some money, unless you are a band like a U2 or Jovi or Elton, most big "shows" tend to lose cash when all is said and done, though Britney may be the lone POP artist making some $ on tour "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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BlaqueKnight said: This is what I mean by America has become a bunch of oversensitive bitches. In business, its normally unthinkable to refuse to do business based on personal feelings but we have become so weak and emotionally hair-triggered as a society that this sort of thing is accepted as commonplace.
How many bands toured together in the 80s and before that hated each other? Many. There are tons of stories documented to back this up. Now, people bitch up and get fickle and emotional at tour time or worse - cancel in the middle of a tour (ex: Jay-Z and R. Kelly). And we wonder why there's supposedly no good music these days? Its because the artists are full of themselves. To keep it real, neither Lady Gaga nor Kanye are "great" - they are just "good". Gaga is not heads above other artists talent-wise; she's just different and unique. Kanye is not that much better of a rapper than many other rappers, he just has better subject matter and takes more musical chances - making him "unique" as well. Its a simple reflection of how America has become. Its the common social climate to financially punish anyone that we don't like personally; even if we like what they do. LastDecember nailed it perfectly in another thread: "When MEDIA became the way, there are no more music stars, u are now a MEDIA star, fuck the music." And that's where we are. Everybody wants to be a celebrity. Nobody wants to be a star. A star believes the show must go on at any cost. Live Nation = Clear Channel = the reason you get the same 15-20 songs/artists over and over all day. [Edited 10/2/09 9:24am] Exactly this tour was going to become more about the "healing" process and the "offense" taken and things like that, MUSIC and TALENT was gonna be back seat, they should call it HYPE nation not Live Nation. But very true about how bands used to tour and fucking hate each other, shit, Bon Jovi tour with Motley Crue early on and they did nothing but fight, but u never heard about it 24/7, you just got the music not the BS. Their were issues when INXS toured with Queen early on in the 80's and INXS was getting big crowds, Queen forced them to shorten their shows as to not steal their fire, BUT inxs didnt cry like a NE-Yo Bitch, and threaten to sue, no they shortened the show and still blew shit better. Great points here, deal with it stop crying and grow a pair. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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i was gonna go to that shit too   For all time I am with you, you are with me. | |
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ToraTora17 said: ViintageJunkiie said: Yo Kanye! I'm really happy for u & i'mma let u finish, but Michael Jackson had the greatest cancelled tour of all time! OF ALL TIME!
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I remember playing an online game that featured both Taylor and Kanye. I think it was called "Kanye vs. Taylor" or some shit like that. | |
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I just wanna know who was bigger. WHo would have opened for who. I think Pink should tour withher. But she's on her own big solo tour. So elect THe Pussycat Dolls to be the opening act for Lady GaGa. Working up a purple sweat. | |
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fluid said: I just wanna know who was bigger. WHo would have opened for who. I think Pink should tour withher. But she's on her own big solo tour. So elect THe Pussycat Dolls to be the opening act for Lady GaGa.
They were both gonna be on stage at the same time .. taking turns singing songs .. they had a long rectangle shaped stage .. GaGa on one end, Kanye on the other and they were trying to meet in the center (find the balance). GaGa wanted Kanye's "fame" and Kanye wanted GaGa's "home" and "humble beginnings". It was rather unique, sadly we won't see it | |
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BlaqueKnight said: This is what I mean by America has become a bunch of oversensitive bitches. In business, its normally unthinkable to refuse to do business based on personal feelings but we have become so weak and emotionally hair-triggered as a society that this sort of thing is accepted as commonplace.
How many bands toured together in the 80s and before that hated each other? Many. There are tons of stories documented to back this up. Now, people bitch up and get fickle and emotional at tour time or worse - cancel in the middle of a tour (ex: Jay-Z and R. Kelly). And we wonder why there's supposedly no good music these days? Its because the artists are full of themselves. To keep it real, neither Lady Gaga nor Kanye are "great" - they are just "good". Gaga is not heads above other artists talent-wise; she's just different and unique. Kanye is not that much better of a rapper than many other rappers, he just has better subject matter and takes more musical chances - making him "unique" as well. Its a simple reflection of how America has become. Its the common social climate to financially punish anyone that we don't like personally; even if we like what they do. LastDecember nailed it perfectly in another thread: "When MEDIA became the way, there are no more music stars, u are now a MEDIA star, fuck the music." And that's where we are. Everybody wants to be a celebrity. Nobody wants to be a star. A star believes the show must go on at any cost. Live Nation = Clear Channel = the reason you get the same 15-20 songs/artists over and over all day. [Edited 10/2/09 9:24am] 
I would bet any amount of money the tix didn't sell well or it got cancelled because of the VMA fiasco. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: This is what I mean by America has become a bunch of oversensitive bitches. In business, its normally unthinkable to refuse to do business based on personal feelings but we have become so weak and emotionally hair-triggered as a society that this sort of thing is accepted as commonplace.
How many bands toured together in the 80s and before that hated each other? Many. There are tons of stories documented to back this up. Now, people bitch up and get fickle and emotional at tour time or worse - cancel in the middle of a tour (ex: Jay-Z and R. Kelly). And we wonder why there's supposedly no good music these days? Its because the artists are full of themselves. To keep it real, neither Lady Gaga nor Kanye are "great" - they are just "good". Gaga is not heads above other artists talent-wise; she's just different and unique. Kanye is not that much better of a rapper than many other rappers, he just has better subject matter and takes more musical chances - making him "unique" as well. Its a simple reflection of how America has become. Its the common social climate to financially punish anyone that we don't like personally; even if we like what they do. LastDecember nailed it perfectly in another thread: "When MEDIA became the way, there are no more music stars, u are now a MEDIA star, fuck the music." And that's where we are. Everybody wants to be a celebrity. Nobody wants to be a star. A star believes the show must go on at any cost. Live Nation = Clear Channel = the reason you get the same 15-20 songs/artists over and over all day. [Edited 10/2/09 9:24am] I agree wholeheartedly, especially about the whole climate of financially punishing someone. What high and mighty types don't realize, or don't care to, is that it's a cold thing to take someone's livelihood away because you don't feel they live up to your standards, especially in light of the fact that you sought out info that 1) You shouldn't care about and (2) 9 times out of ten is NONE of your business. Have ticket sales even been going on long enough for them to tell if they were slow? I'm skeptical... |
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BlaqueKnight said: This is what I mean by America has become a bunch of oversensitive bitches. In business, its normally unthinkable to refuse to do business based on personal feelings but we have become so weak and emotionally hair-triggered as a society that this sort of thing is accepted as commonplace.
How many bands toured together in the 80s and before that hated each other? Many. There are tons of stories documented to back this up. Now, people bitch up and get fickle and emotional at tour time or worse - cancel in the middle of a tour (ex: Jay-Z and R. Kelly). And we wonder why there's supposedly no good music these days? Its because the artists are full of themselves. To keep it real, neither Lady Gaga nor Kanye are "great" - they are just "good". Gaga is not heads above other artists talent-wise; she's just different and unique. Kanye is not that much better of a rapper than many other rappers, he just has better subject matter and takes more musical chances - making him "unique" as well. Its a simple reflection of how America has become. Its the common social climate to financially punish anyone that we don't like personally; even if we like what they do. LastDecember nailed it perfectly in another thread: "When MEDIA became the way, there are no more music stars, u are now a MEDIA star, fuck the music." And that's where we are. Everybody wants to be a celebrity. Nobody wants to be a star. A star believes the show must go on at any cost. Live Nation = Clear Channel = the reason you get the same 15-20 songs/artists over and over all day. [Edited 10/2/09 9:24am] Yes, but from what I read the LG/Kanye tour was not going to be the standard tour where one artist does their set and then the other artist does theirs. They were planning to be on the stage at the same time, alternate songs and even do songs together. If two bands don't get along, they can still tour together doing their own thing if they perform separately. But to perform together on the same stage you have to have a certain degree of chemistry. Since the beginning of the music business, members of bands have been fighting and have had creative differences. I don't see that it's more so now. People don't get along for all kinds of reasons. It doesn't mean that you are overly fickle and emotional. Bands have been breaking up and cancelling tours since forever. That's hardly a new thing. Since they were planning on a real collaboration, I think they had to get along to some degree. But it's not the end of the world for either of them. They have their own fan bases and I'm sure they will both get to tour again in another format. | |
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Copycat said: ViintageJunkiie said: Lady GaGa was at the Billboard "Women in Music" event in NYC on Friday to receive the Rising Star Award when she addressed the cancellation of her "Fame Kills" tour with Kanye West.
"It was a mutual decision," she says. " That's a well-used euphemism for "poor ticket sales/not completely sold out." That's what I think. Nothing whatsoever to do with creative differences or oversensitivity. No big loss IMO. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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CynicKill said: Have ticket sales even been going on long enough for them to tell if they were slow? I'm skeptical...
Definitely the Western Canadian dates. | |
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