Timmy84 said:

It seems like it is a summary from the official autopsy. The Doctor who reviewed the autopsy is a reputable Doctor I doubt he will put his name to a fake document, unlike the fake autopsy report from a british tabloid whom contacts were "sources"

And I believe the reason why the autopsy has been leaked is due to the convening of the grand jury for the indictment of Dr Murray, the official autopsy must have been part of the proceedings and got leaked out.
[Edited 10/4/09 3:02am]

novabrkr said:

Glad I wasn't the only one to notice that. Yes, this lung problem (which the autopsy says was his most serious physical problem) could well be the answer to the mystery. It completely backs up what I've always said about his lack of stamina. If his lungs were weakened and inflamed then it means he would only be able to sing in short bursts, just like I always said. That's what happens when you look at evidence objectively. You get things right.

I'm surprised people didn't know he was 5'9. I always knew that. The routine inflation of his height is very similar to the inflation of sales figures that is so rampant. Mike being 5'11 was as credible as Invincible selling ten million. Oh, and about the height on the police report. I don't know how it works in America, but (without wishing to give too much away) I've been inside police stations when arrested people were being pulled in (not myself of course) and they often just ask the guy his height, and if it sounds reasonable they write it down without bothering to check.

The only thing that surprises me here is the arthritis. It would explain his stiff movements I guess, but I had always just put that down to age.

Midnight what is the point of all your negative Michael Post? if you don't like the guy just don't post anything it's as simple as that bro. Its kinda of bordering on ridiculous you have the right to your opinion but damn man stop the vitriol. Who carea about his voice, weight, height, etc he's dead let him RIP

madgame72 said:

Please. The topic of Mike's vocal decline has been a big one around here for years, with me saying he mimed because he HAD NO CHOICE and floons arguing he mimed becuse he was "just a perfectionist". The discovery in his autopsy of a serious lung problem backs up what I've always said. There was something seriously wrong with his voice, and the lung condition would explain it perfectly. There's no way something like that would not effect your singing. It would explain why his singing always got worse the more of it he did, which was why he did as little as possible. I'm just standing up for logic here. Same as I always have. Don't shoot the messenger, dude.

midnightmover said:

if that was the case michael would have stopped singing live 30 years ago. he had pleurisy since he was about 20.

and his singing voice didn't get worse. it got stronger as he got older
[Edited 10/5/09 14:36pm]

mimi07 said:

I could literally tear every sentence in this post apart, but it would be too easy.

midnightmover said:

we're here to chat, if you disagree then make ur point. and you can do it without being rude

mimi07 said:

Sorry, but your post was just ridiculous. If telling the truth makes me rude then so be it.

midnightmover said:

i didn't say u were rude i said if u want to reply go ahead i'm all ears just don't be rude about it

how is it ridiculous?

mimi07 said:

Just go through each line of your post and think about it. Just try thinking. If you do that you won't need to ask me what's ridiculous about it. Every single sentence in that post was stupid. Every single one.

opinions are like a**holes in which some just stink.

midnightmover said:

They never said the lung problem was "serious". You have no idea what the condition was or how it affected him, if at all. The problem with Michael Jackson is that there are a million different rumors about him, so everything that comes out about him inevitably backs up one of those rumors.

midnightmover said:

Why do you do this on EVERY MJ thread??? You do this every time to purposely derail the thread. Don't take the bait ya'll.

mimi07 said:

Uh, you sure about that?

Superstition said:

Here's what they said.....

Most serious was his lungs, which the autopsy report said were chronically inflamed and had reduced capacity

.....You should not be using the word "rumour" here. Nothing I have discussed is a "rumour".

SCNDLS said:

Every MJ thread? Really? Go look at the numerous MJ R.I.P. threads. Out of twelve I only posted on two. Most of my MJ talk recently was on my own thread (Michael Jackson Reality Check) and a thread created by a floon specifically with me in mind. I've left most of the others alone.

And right now I'm talking about something completely relevant to the topic. That's not derailing shit. All I'm derailing is the deliberate attempts of you loons to look the other way.

midnightmover said:

Okay, well you do it on every MJ thread you go on. I've purposely avoided all of the RIP threads cuz no doubt there'd be people like you going in there to say the same divisive bs they've already said a MILLION times with the only intent to stir shit up. And as usual you are incapable of posting without the name calling. But go ahead with your plan.
[Edited 10/5/09 15:58pm]

midnightmover said:

Fair enough, you were correct. I focused on the part that said his organs were healthy, my bad.

However, you still don't to what extent this effected his singing. Stop acting as if its written in stone that's why he lipsynced.

SCNDLS said:

i'd hope so. we're all adults...i think
[Edited 10/5/09 16:12pm]

mimi07 said:

Oops too late

SCNDLS said:

You went around spreading that RIDICULOUS story about MJ's accusers recanting their story which means you definitely qualify as a loon. If you want to retract that nonsense then maybe you can clear your name, but until then, you remain a loon.

midnightmover said:

Clear my name??? Is it that serious??? You're laughable

Superstition said:

That's what you guys always do. Focus only on what suits you and ignore everything you don't want to deal with.

What they describe there is incredibly consistent with what I've always said. It clearly adds yet more strength to my already watertight argument.

SCNDLS said:

Clear your name in the eyes of anyone with a brain.

midnightmover said:

Yeah, because the Org has been just abuzz over that comment I made months ago. Jeez, I had no idea my "name" was in danja. You really need to lay down before you hurt yourself F Lee Cochran.
[Edited 10/5/09 16:27pm]

midnightmover said:

Bull. It does add more strength to your argument. I'm not denying you have a theory and it may be true, But the truth is you don't know nearly as much as you think you do.

Do not rope me in with everyone else you try to pigeon-hole, as a "floon" or whatever the hell your little name is for it. He had a lung condition, whether or not it affected his singing, who knows. There have been trumpet players and singers who have all kinds of shit wrong with their respiratory who never missed a beat.

SCNDLS said:

your name is already clear.....move on and stop responding, you know what I mean scndls....

seeingvoices12 said:

That's good to know hun cuz I just don't know what I'd do if my name on the Org was un-clear. I mean how would I go on???

SCNDLS said:

If you've seen the light about that nonsense, then congratulations. There's hope for you yet.

SCNDLS said:

Thats ok we know you , that's the most important

Im gonna create a cyndi lauper thread so we all enjoy another great flop.