dag said:

No they meant that he was actively producing sperm which explains his interviews where he explained that he used his own sperm cells to make his kids, lol

Let's just keep this topic on the autopsy findings. That's ALL I'm gonna say on the kid matter!

Him an Elvis are having a cool one.

dag said:

I'm actually pleased he weighed around 136 lbs. I think you'd look like a skeleton at 108 lbs or whatever the weight his "makeup artist" claimed he weighed. Looking at him, the clothes he wore did make him look weird but in some pictures, he looked healthy to me.

Timmy84 said:

OK, thanks.

dag said:

OMG you people and you're "TMI" nonsense is ridiculous. Producing sperm doesn't mean he was leaking it on a regular basis like a woman lactating. It means his organs were working, including his dick and testicles, etc. Why is knowing his heart didn't have plaque around it okay, but knowing he was producing sperm not? It's the same people who'd be the first to jump on the sexual-abuse-joke bandwagon when it serves their purpose, but when facts come out, everyone's all "TMI TMI" An autopsy is there for more than to examine the heart and a kidney to see how someone died. This is a murder investigation on some levels, and they've said as much. They NEED to know exactly what state his body was in when he collapsed. It's just part of it. Let's be grown ups, mmkay?

ernestsewell said:

Another stupid question: what does TMI mean? Sorry, English ain´t my mother tongue, so I wanna make sure I understand correctly.

dag said:

Too much information.
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Timmy84 said:

ernestsewell said:

I think people are being grown ups, it's just some people don't need all the specifics, that's all

bboy87 said:

No TMI would be "MJ pooped all over the carpet". Now THAT'S TMI.

Does the weakened lungs really mean what I think it does? The problem with the singing live came from there - wasn't something like this reported earlier this year and denied by his camp?

novabrkr said:

I don't know it could mean a lot of things. Like DaPrettyMan said, Mike could've been suffering from sarciodosis.

Actually the sperm disclosure didn't bother me at all. The scars and tattooing I thought we didn't necessarily need to know whether public record or not but that's just me. I know what autopsies are for but never liked that all the information is made public whether it be Michael or anyone else.

Anywho, anyone who was a member of the Jacksosn Fan Club back in the day got little profile cards on the Jacksons and a sheet that had their info including the height. I still have some around. I was trying to upload a pic but may have to do it later.

Oh and there was also an impromptu recording of a song they made up and Shake Your Body. I hope I still have that.
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Timmy84 said:

exactly. remember mark lester? 'mj asked me for a sperm donation because he couldn't produce any and i'm paris' father.' what an asshole.

also, i agree this report may take the wind out of murray's basic argument: that mj was taking other drugs at the time that could have contributed to his death. at least on the face of this report, it doesn't not appear that mj was the drugged out zombie that murray has been trying to make him out to be.

that also goes for chopra, boteach, the brothers, our attorney general, et al who've been on t.v. saying the same thing. whatever drug problem mj had seems to have been in the past and these other people who weren't close to him at the end of his life didn't know shit from shinola about him or his situation.

personally, i think the cops are trying to decide whether this was manslaughter or murder two based on this doctor's behavior at the time of mj's death.

(of course, this post is subject to correction once another report comes out saying exactly the opposite! )


on edit: i'm confused by the height thing, too. many years ago, when he was still on terrestrial radio, howard stern talked about meeting mj. he said was he was surprised at how tall mj was, and howard is quite tall himself. plus, when mj was arrested they said he was taller. ???
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kibbles said:

For real. I'm still wondering what's taking the po-po so long. Like you said, another report could come in and try to claim something else, lol. And Murray's attorney would also have to reply to this, lol

I think the pressure from the tour and AEG may have reignited some of MJ’s troubles and at the end of the day that worked in AEG’s favor.

JackieBlue said:

I believe it too but MJ was still a diligent hard worker at the end. Least he died doing what he loved. Plus he had insomnia and whatever that quack Murray was using wasn't the right thing to use no matter if MJ recommended it or one of his other doctors recommended it.
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Timmy84 said:

They say that's the best way to go... working at something you love.

JackieBlue said:

TOLD YOU SO!!!!!

I am fucking pissed off.. Michael didn't have to die..

Also, I recall his assistant I think her name is Evvy saying that Michael had taken himself off of demerol awhile back.

This also discounts the reports of 100's of plastic surgeries.

Timmy 5'9" is a respectable height!

now they can stop calling us MJ fans floons. We knew something was up. You just don't wait 83 minutes to call 911!!!!
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He was physically healthy, but how mentally healthy was he because that's a whole other story entirely. After it was reported that he died from a propofol overdose, I don't really understand the point of the article. MJ never seemed unhealthy to me, but that's just me. Man, I hope nobody stole that sperm with the hopes of making some money. Some female fans would probably pay for that sperm so they can have a MJ baby...don't nobody get any crazy ideas now

sag10 said:

Yeah I know, I'm actually only 2 inches shorter than MJ.

sag10 said:

I don't think he had hundreds of surgeries, but he had more than a few. And remember, if they continue to pull him, there can be a scar on top of a scar, making it impossible to tell how many times he was tucked and reattached in an area.

It still greatly saddens me that MJ is gone. I was anxious to hear about the 02 shows, and have some new album soon. I hope those songs in his vault start to come out next year, at least a little.

estelle81 said:

I don't think Michael was mentally unhealthy.. I think he was of strong mind, and I think he was probably concerned about his finances, and the tour..

Also, the last time seeing him on the This is it tour promotion he was visibly high.. Maybe he just had a joint.. That is no so unusual.

ernestsewell said:

The scars could indicate another skin condition. I think the most surgery he had was on his nose.

sag10 said:

Or maybe he was feeling where the show was going. MJ didn't have weed in his system now.

Timmy84 said:

136lbs seems extremely thin for a man @ that height

CalhounSq said:

yeah i weigh more than that.