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PrintableTimmy84 said: noimageatall said: I agree...but the fact that you have to dig so deep to find any real talent is a shame. Not that I don't like doing that, and I do support local bands, but I strain to remember when a song or an artist really made me FEEL that song so far down in my bones the FIRST time I heard it (not the 150th time when I was brainwashed to like it), that I just grieve for a lost art form and wonder there will ever be another artist like Rick, MJ, etc. It ain't that it ain't there, it's just that there's folks in the industry that are more focused on noise than anything. You just have to search.  There's still great music with melody today but you won't hear it in today's corporate market, nor do I even want them to. Independent is the best thing going right now.You dont really have to search though....unless u are looking for something brand new, but that is usually gonna get u the HYPE machine treatment and then u will be let down, my experience with Arcade Fire...big build..no delivery, talented, but nothing special. You mainly have to stick with the longtime artists, i have no problem playing my new Richard Marx or new Rick Springfield or a-Ha, U think i care that they arent getting Rolling Stone covers or MTV play or airplay, i admire them more for not getting it. If they got it now it would mean something in their work is probably being comprimised. Norah Jones,Ryan Adams,Stefani Vara,Amerie...thats about all the new artists i need. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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1. Turn off your television
2. Turn off your radio 3. Go to your local independent music shop 4. Explore Okay, Rick James is irreplaceable but there is good stuff out there. Just nowdays you have to look a bit harder to find it. If you will, so will I | |
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thekidsgirl said: 1. Turn off your television
2. Turn off your radio 3. Go to your local independent music shop 4. Explore Okay, Rick James is irreplaceable but there is good stuff out there. Just nowdays you have to look a bit harder to find it. Exactly! <3  |
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Where is talent like this today? Playing somewhere in a local band, in a local nighclub, to local audiences (small audiences too, I might add since not too many people like good music anymore), playing and practicing in a band in a basement or garage at some house somewhere in America, maybe even some of the org members, or maybe somebody out there submitting demos to record labels but getting no response because they aren't shit hop.
As for talent like that already on a record label, I'm sure it exists somewhere if you have the time to swim the deepest ocean or climb the highest mountain looking for it. Most of us don't have the time or patience for all that though. It should be all over the radio like it used to be. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Timmy84 said: Record labels and consumers continuing buying material that some think suck, lol, are mainly to blame. But the TALENT is there still. Just not promoted.
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novabrkr said: If christians are right about the content of their holy book and it is to be taken as it is, Rick is now probably in hell.  Lord, I hope you're wrong but Rick was definately nothing nice.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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noimageatall said: Riverpoet31 said: You mean, people who perform such cheesy, watered down disco-ballads?
Get a fuckin grip please. 
Oh right...let me go listen to some Bouncy!  Don't let him get to you honey. He's just mad because it doesn't sound like some damn "How do I love thee" type poetry written down at a lonely depressing ass river. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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lastdecember said: Timmy84 said: Style over substance is in the top 40, but I think it's always been that way, there was just some substance that was actually viable commercially back then. I'm sure it would be again if the industry decided to diverse itself again.
The industry will break apart it already is mostly there. Artists have caught on that its a done deal, i mean look at how many older artists are leaving labels and putting out stuff on their own sites and such or signing a walmart deal. They dont care about Billboard, WE DO, we cant let it go at all. We say we can, but we see the constant threads about what someone is selling and they we reply " i wish they would sell more", WHO CARES. "Amerie" has a new record out that kicks ass, but its getting and going nowhere chart wise, WHO CARES its a good fucking record once again, but when i post a thread on her, people chime in with "she doesnt sell", and the point is.....? I mean are we that dumb that selling matters? Sure its great to toss around facts and numbers as chat and stuff, but if the album sucks i dont care if Flo-rida has a trillion downloads, who fucking cares, i aint getting the check and neither is he. she better start caring about sales no sales=no money | |
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novabrkr said: If christians are right about the content of their holy book and it is to be taken as it is, Rick is now probably in hell.
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vainandy said: Don't let him get to you honey. He's just mad because it doesn't sound like some damn "How do I love thee" type poetry written down at a lonely depressing ass river.  "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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SCNDLS said: noimageatall said: 
Although I never really liked her in the first place...   Many more real soul singers here and in the UK that would take Whino's lunch singing without hardly trying.Ledisi could slay her in her sleep. But I'm not going to talk about why Amy Crackhouse get the praise and these sisters don't, its redundant already . | |
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thekidsgirl said: 1. Turn off your television
2. Turn off your radio 3. Go to your local independent music shop 4. Explore Okay, Rick James is irreplaceable but there is good stuff out there. Just nowdays you have to look a bit harder to find it.  | |
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Extra large just for you. Although not neccessarily new talent.
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Nirvana did NOT kill off Rock.
They merely killed off the plastic, spandex, make-up obssessed late-08's nonsense that we'd all pretty much got sick of anyway. There is plenty of great Rock out there if you have the inclination to look for it - passionate, original, thoughtful music that connects with people. Personally, I feel that music is in much ruder health in 2009 than it has been for a while now, with some very interesting artists around. Sure there's no-one like Prince, but surely that's part of what made him so appealing in the first place - and what makes any artist so interesting - that there IS no-one else like him? This is not an exit | |
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Harlepolis said: SCNDLS said: Many more real soul singers here and in the UK that would take Whino's lunch singing without hardly trying.Ledisi could slay her in her sleep. But I'm not going to talk about why Amy Crackhouse get the praise and these sisters don't, its redundant already .BOOM! | |
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Harlepolis said: SCNDLS said: Many more real soul singers here and in the UK that would take Whino's lunch singing without hardly trying.Ledisi could slay her in her sleep. But I'm not going to talk about why Amy Crackhouse get the praise and these sisters don't, its redundant already . Love that Ledisi. So much talent, personality, and as cute as she wanna be.  | |
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NDRU said: I would trace the modern music recession to the time when MTV decided that Britney & the Backstreet Boys would be their new areas of focus, rather than decent bands playing on Unplugged.
Good point. As a matter of fact, it's telling that "Unplugged" isn't on anymore. Maybe it's ratings were bad, or maybe there aren't many young musicians that can carry an audience without a bagful of special effects and autotone devices. As to the PRS deal, I might be wrong on it, but I seem to recall that it was the guitar of choice when bands went to that constant grinding drop-D two-finger chord BS, Santana notwithstanding. I recall reading that it produced the buzzsaw sound that made that type of "playing" popular. | |
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violetblues said: RodeoSchro said: A few things:
1. Nirvana killed rock. Nirvana SAVED rock, NIRVANA revitalized rock. In the 90's, before Nirvana, music was as fresh as a 7-11 hot-dog. Nirvana was a breath of fresh air. By the time Nirvana came along, Prince sucked, New Jack Swing was everywhere, Whitney Houston and Mariah ruled the airwaves, Hip Hop was represented by Will Smith for gods sakes. I turned on the Radio one day and "Lithium" was playing, god it felt great to listen to something original on the radio again. I said to myself, who the fuck is this!, the same reaction i had when i first listened to Controversy on the radio. Music needs game changers, Nirvana was a big-time game changer. That the industry tried to milk them and saturate the market with clones is another story. . [Edited 10/1/09 16:15pm] I agree that Nirvana changed the game. But from where I sit - and I grew up in the '60's and 70's, so that's where my perspective comes from - the way that they changed the game is they turned rock from being about partying and having a good time, to how much life sucks. That was a bad change, IMHO. You mentioned "Lithium". Here are the lyrics to that song, for those that don't know it: Im so happy cause today Ive found my friends ... Theyre in my head Im so ugly, but thats okay, cause so are you ... Weve broken our mirrors Sunday morning is everyday for all I care ... And Im not scared Light my candles, in a daze cause Ive found god Yeah (x6) Im so lonely but thats okay, I shaved my head ... And Im not sad And just maybe Im to blame for all Ive heard ... But Im not sure Im so excited, I cant wait to meet you there ... But I dont care Im so horny, but thats okay ... My will is good Yeah(x6) (x2) I like it - Im not gonna crack I miss you - Im not gonna crack I love you - Im not gonna crack I killed you - Im not gonna crack Im so happy cause today Ive found my friends ... Theyre in my head Im so ugly, but thats okay, cause so are you ... Weve broken our mirrors Sunday morning is everyday for all I care ... And Im not scared Light my candles in a daze ... cause Ive found god Yeah, yeah, yeah(x2) (x2) I like it - Im not gonna crack I miss you - Im not gonna crack I love you - Im not gonna crack I killed you - Im not gonna crack How in the hell is that supposed to make me feel good? | |
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RodeoSchro said: violetblues said: Nirvana SAVED rock, NIRVANA revitalized rock. In the 90's, before Nirvana, music was as fresh as a 7-11 hot-dog. Nirvana was a breath of fresh air. By the time Nirvana came along, Prince sucked, New Jack Swing was everywhere, Whitney Houston and Mariah ruled the airwaves, Hip Hop was represented by Will Smith for gods sakes. I turned on the Radio one day and "Lithium" was playing, god it felt great to listen to something original on the radio again. I said to myself, who the fuck is this!, the same reaction i had when i first listened to Controversy on the radio. Music needs game changers, Nirvana was a big-time game changer. That the industry tried to milk them and saturate the market with clones is another story. . [Edited 10/1/09 16:15pm] I agree that Nirvana changed the game. But from where I sit - and I grew up in the '60's and 70's, so that's where my perspective comes from - the way that they changed the game is they turned rock from being about partying and having a good time, to how much life sucks. That was a bad change, IMHO. You mentioned "Lithium". Here are the lyrics to that song, for those that don't know it: Im so happy cause today Ive found my friends ... Theyre in my head Im so ugly, but thats okay, cause so are you ... Weve broken our mirrors Sunday morning is everyday for all I care ... And Im not scared Light my candles, in a daze cause Ive found god Yeah (x6) Im so lonely but thats okay, I shaved my head ... And Im not sad And just maybe Im to blame for all Ive heard ... But Im not sure Im so excited, I cant wait to meet you there ... But I dont care Im so horny, but thats okay ... My will is good Yeah(x6) (x2) I like it - Im not gonna crack I miss you - Im not gonna crack I love you - Im not gonna crack I killed you - Im not gonna crack Im so happy cause today Ive found my friends ... Theyre in my head Im so ugly, but thats okay, cause so are you ... Weve broken our mirrors Sunday morning is everyday for all I care ... And Im not scared Light my candles in a daze ... cause Ive found god Yeah, yeah, yeah(x2) (x2) I like it - Im not gonna crack I miss you - Im not gonna crack I love you - Im not gonna crack I killed you - Im not gonna crack How in the hell is that supposed to make me feel good? Awesome lyrics, they were tongue in cheek by yhe way, Kurt was quite troubled, Bipolar and taking lithium at the time, it wasnt an act. People write about what they know, and that was sadly his own life at the time. That he influenced a lot of posers and ushered in a sound from his personal pain and talent is another story that effects most popular influential artists. | |
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RodeoSchro said: [lithium lyrics] How in the hell is that supposed to make me feel good? I do understand disliking the depressing grunge scene & woe is me attitude, but that song makes you feel good because of it's incredibly catchy melody & sense of humor. Kurt's depressing lyrics were nearly always tinged with humor, especially on Nevermind, when he hadn't yet become a heroin addict My Legacy
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There is alot of talent out there these days, but I have to say...Teena is in a class all her own. I just saw her in concert last Saturday (At Viejas Casino) and sang her ass OFF! I've seen her live at least 8 times throughout the years, the first, opening for Rick James in 1980. She may not be as pretty as Madonna or Beyonce, or have the style of Amy or Gaga, but as a all around talent, singer, songwriter, musician, producer she has my vote hands down. If U don't believe me, check out her back catalog and go see her in concert. Her legacy stands and remains strong. So there! If it breaks when it bends, U better not put it in! | |
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PurpleDiamond2009 said: lastdecember said: The industry will break apart it already is mostly there. Artists have caught on that its a done deal, i mean look at how many older artists are leaving labels and putting out stuff on their own sites and such or signing a walmart deal. They dont care about Billboard, WE DO, we cant let it go at all. We say we can, but we see the constant threads about what someone is selling and they we reply " i wish they would sell more", WHO CARES. "Amerie" has a new record out that kicks ass, but its getting and going nowhere chart wise, WHO CARES its a good fucking record once again, but when i post a thread on her, people chime in with "she doesnt sell", and the point is.....? I mean are we that dumb that selling matters? Sure its great to toss around facts and numbers as chat and stuff, but if the album sucks i dont care if Flo-rida has a trillion downloads, who fucking cares, i aint getting the check and neither is he. she better start caring about sales no sales=no money Their are other ways to make money in this industry, she got paid more for her album release over seas selling 50,000 then here when her debut sold almost a million, go figure. She also did a 1 minute advertisement overseas in Japan for some new tv channel, and got seven figures for that shit, so she aint hurtin, she has better business sense than alot of what pollutes the charts here. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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NDRU said: RodeoSchro said: [lithium lyrics] How in the hell is that supposed to make me feel good? I do understand disliking the depressing grunge scene & woe is me attitude, but that song makes you feel good because of it's incredibly catchy melody & sense of humor. Kurt's depressing lyrics were nearly always tinged with humor, especially on Nevermind, when he hadn't yet become a heroin addict The thing is not so much Nirvana or Pearl Jam its that every label signed 50 bands just like them with such depressing shit, and it had to end, just like bands like Warrant and Winger had to be contained. I dont think Nirvana would have survived anyway, they would have had to alter the mood because it was cashed in already. Just like when RB cashed in its SOUL when it turned everything into a Sexed up male group. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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benjaminira said: There is alot of talent out there these days, but I have to say...Teena is in a class all her own. I just saw her in concert last Saturday (At Viejas Casino) and sang her ass OFF! I've seen her live at least 8 times throughout the years, the first, opening for Rick James in 1980. She may not be as pretty as Madonna or Beyonce, or have the style of Amy or Gaga, but as a all around talent, singer, songwriter, musician, producer she has my vote hands down. If U don't believe me, check out her back catalog and go see her in concert. Her legacy stands and remains strong. So there!
I still don't think anyone can match Teena's voice. I've seen her twice and she will blow you away. "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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lastdecember said: NDRU said: I do understand disliking the depressing grunge scene & woe is me attitude, but that song makes you feel good because of it's incredibly catchy melody & sense of humor. Kurt's depressing lyrics were nearly always tinged with humor, especially on Nevermind, when he hadn't yet become a heroin addict The thing is not so much Nirvana or Pearl Jam its that every label signed 50 bands just like them with such depressing shit, and it had to end, just like bands like Warrant and Winger had to be contained. I dont think Nirvana would have survived anyway, they would have had to alter the mood because it was cashed in already. Just like when RB cashed in its SOUL when it turned everything into a Sexed up male group. Yes, I totally agree. But it's like that for basically any great artist, they inspire a lot of terrible followers. I suppose for grunge it was worse than others because basically every rock station changed their format to grunge. It was everywhere. It unified the rock movement because (in my opinion) Nirvana was so good, but it also made it all the same. I can only wonder what might have happened. If Kurt had survived, I can only assume that he would have changed because he would have gotten bored of sounding like everyone else, not to mention his life's path was not one that could continue, as we found out! I only wish he could have changed directions instead of stopping altogether. My Legacy
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classic song...  For all time I am with you, you are with me. | |
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Well, since the org  will not let me post to this thread...MODERN SOUL on Midnight Soulstice this Friday - listen live online! 
http://prince.org/msg/8/319172 I had to have Christopher (Blackguitaristz) email me his music. This is what I wrote to him!! YES! Thank you. Great music. Your version was a great tribute and awesome. That was you singing and playing, right? Well, of course it was. DOH...I had to play the ending guitar bit over and over. Finally something that "moved" me. Loved your "talking" voice too. Pretty sexy there, Christopher.
Damn....I wish I could post on that thread. Thank you sooooo much for sending this to me. You are amazing! That guitar had me  "Let love be your perfect weapon..." ~~Andy Biersack | |
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I have to agree noimageatall, I love Tina Marie's voice. It's natural, and laced with heavy, gritty soul, and a touch of blues. She kind of reminds me of the late Janis Joplin with her sound a little, but she can sing her ass off, and that's a fact. "Fire and Desire" is a classic, and I also love her upbeat songs like "Square Biz"...classics. [Edited 10/2/09 18:39pm] | |
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noimageatall said: God I miss real music.
Lyrics...soul...feeling...no autotune...WTF happened??? Gabi Wilson,look her up on Youtube or go to radiodisney.com | |
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NDRU said: lastdecember said: The thing is not so much Nirvana or Pearl Jam its that every label signed 50 bands just like them with such depressing shit, and it had to end, just like bands like Warrant and Winger had to be contained. I dont think Nirvana would have survived anyway, they would have had to alter the mood because it was cashed in already. Just like when RB cashed in its SOUL when it turned everything into a Sexed up male group. Yes, I totally agree. But it's like that for basically any great artist, they inspire a lot of terrible followers. I suppose for grunge it was worse than others because basically every rock station changed their format to grunge. It was everywhere. It unified the rock movement because (in my opinion) Nirvana was so good, but it also made it all the same. I can only wonder what might have happened. If Kurt had survived, I can only assume that he would have changed because he would have gotten bored of sounding like everyone else, not to mention his life's path was not one that could continue, as we found out! I only wish he could have changed directions instead of stopping altogether. With Nirvana i feel in death they have been given even more credit, i do think its partially deserved, it would have been interesting to see where they went, almost like Guns N Roses, i mean even though they are all still alive as a band its dead, but they are forever trapped in that 1-2 album phase that will give them more clout in that genre than other bands that are better. To me Nirvana was good, but we will never know what wouldve been, Pearl Jam is the strongest band to come from that era, possibly because in reality they were just lumped into it because of their hometown, to me they never were that depressing a band, they were always just loud, and now still loud but with more focus "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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