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Dre and Ice Cube solo I like better than PE.
As for Pe vs NWA, I prefer Starigh Outta Compton over any PE album productionwise but I think PE shoud be the winner here when you look at the complete picture. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Imago said: Public Enemy.
But I have a strong bias against NWA due to songs like "Black Korea" I think we've had this conversation on another thread before. At the core of "Black Korea" is anger about experiences a lot of black males have after going to local Korean owned "mom-n'pop" stores in the hood and being treated like a second class citizen when they are in fact the ones keeping the store in business. Many black males have felt anger about this and many movies have addressed this issue from a comedic side but it remains a real issue in black & korean relationships in this country. What Cube communicated (in a very mean way, which is expected because he came from a "gangster" image) was that you can't move to a foreign country and still be xenophobic when you are the stranger in a sense. You have to have respect for patrons of your business (thats business 101) or you're going to have problems. I don't think Cube hates Koreans - he just wrote an angry song about being treated poorly that is a common experience among black males. It wasn't written for anyone else but black males to relate to. Cube's best works happened AFTER N.W.A. and without him, they were lost. He wrote all of the lyrics in the beginning. Fuck The Police was political but told with a gangster edge thanks to Ice Cube. After Cube, all they had were songs like "She Swallowed it" and "One Less Bitch" - all gangster, no substance, no political edge - just garbage. They had gone full minstrel by that time and Cube was working with...Chuck D and the Bomb Squad. It was N.W.A. meets P.E. [Edited 10/1/09 10:14am] That was it in a nutshell...same goes for so called A-rab business owners in inner city neighborhoods. Blatant disrespect toward the clientele is widespread. Not an excuse for the mean nature of the lyrics...just an explanation. Not too much into that genre but I'd choose PE If I were. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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NWA had a tight little production machine. I give them that much. But I think the legacy of their content stagnated the sociopolitical vision of much of hip hop for years -- even until now. It's one thing to make social lament. It's another thing to speak prophetically about efforts toward liberation. It's quite another thing to wallow in the mire and destroy everyone in it, including yourself.
Between the two groups mentioned, I'd go with Public Enemy any day. [Edited 10/3/09 13:58pm] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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And you keep focusing on show tunes and blonde haired blue eyed guys with little three inch shaved pink dicks that turn blood red if you suck them too hard, and maybe the producer of "The Sound Of Music" will give you a call.
What are you trying to imply with your words? I have nothing with show tunes, and if the words ' blonde haired blue eyed guys' is set to imply I am some sort of racist who is against black artists, then you are totally wrong. I simply dont consider Rick James a great 'funk'-artist, i rather listen to (among others) BLACK artists like The Meters, Sly Stone, George Clinton and Prince (at his funkiest), Rick has always been to 'discofied' for my own taste. By the way, your talk about the size of dicks and the 'sound of the music' tells more about your prejudiced mind, then that it tells about my taste of music. | |
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NDRU said: Well, I prefer Public Enemy as a group, though I liked Straight Outta Compton & Cube & Dre solo albums as well.
I might say that NWA was more influential, but without PE I am not sure NWA would have been the same. It's weird how PE seems to have lost all cred in the hip hop community, while maintaining it in the more mainstream music community. They could NEVER lose cred in the hip hop community 'cause "It Takes A Nation Of Millions" thru "Apocalypse 91'" are like audio time capsules.The thing I respect is that no matter what crazy things Professor Griff or Flav said or did over the years, Chuck D never lost his integrity and they never let it affect the message of the group. [Edited 10/4/09 11:34am] | |
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diamondpearl1 said: NDRU said: Well, I prefer Public Enemy as a group, though I liked Straight Outta Compton & Cube & Dre solo albums as well.
I might say that NWA was more influential, but without PE I am not sure NWA would have been the same. It's weird how PE seems to have lost all cred in the hip hop community, while maintaining it in the more mainstream music community. They could NEVER lose cred in the hip hop community 'cause "It Takes A Nation Of Millions" thru "Apocalypse 91'" are like audio time capsules.The thing I respect is that no matter what crazy things Professor Griff or Flav said or did over the years, Chuck D never lost his integrity and they never let it affect the message of the group. [Edited 10/4/09 11:34am] Chuck D. is the main reason the group has strive as it has because if he had turned out to be as much of a wisecrack as Flav or a worrywart/instigator like Griff, PE would've died in the '80s. Chuck brought them into the '90s and millennium. He's like the rap version of Bob Marley/Peter Tosh to me. | |
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[quote] Riverpoet31 said: And you keep focusing on show tunes and blonde haired blue eyed guys with little three inch shaved pink dicks that turn blood red if you suck them too hard, and maybe the producer of "The Sound Of Music" will give you a call.
What are you trying to imply with your words? I have nothing with show tunes, and if the words ' blonde haired blue eyed guys' is set to imply I am some sort of racist who is against black artists, then you are totally wrong. And where did I say you had a problem with black artists?  Since you don't like hairy balls or like manly men, I just assumed you must like the smooth feminine twink types. 
I simply dont consider Rick James a great 'funk'-artist, i rather listen to (among others) BLACK artists like The Meters, Sly Stone, George Clinton and Prince (at his funkiest), Rick has always been to 'discofied' for my own taste.
All folks that have been praised to death for years by magazines, some of them even praised by Prince himself. You left out James Brown. You really know your funk.
By the way, your talk about the size of dicks and the 'sound of the music' tells more about your prejudiced mind, then that it tells about my taste of music.
Prejudiced? Me? Hell, I've had many white men as well as black men. You're the one limiting yourself to the little Ken doll types. Miss Thang, you really should branch out because variety is the spice of life. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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PE
oh and DEAD PREZ!! | |
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baroque said: PE
oh and DEAD PREZ!! I posted their "Hip-Hop" song on the Gladys Knight think hip-hop is vulgar thread, lol | |
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I can listen to PE today and it still resonates. NWA - not so much. | |
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P.E. obviously. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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