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PrintableHave I read this wrong? Hadn't the couple already separated (if not divorced) by the time Alicia moved on in?  | |
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TD3 said: Adisa said: 
That's not eeeeeven what Blaque is saying,TD3. Not even. I'm not sure you know what either Blaque or I are talking about either. I wait to hear from BK and his thoughts.
My thoughts are quite simple: IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO. You seem to be attempting to press the issue of laying the blame only on her husband. That's ridiculous. It is well within that woman's right to confront BOTH of them, not just her husband. Adisa was right. I was speaking on accountability and the fact that in this specific instance BOTH of them are indulging in selfish behavior. I don't know what your moral character is as often times cheaters tend to stand up for each other, but in a marriage, you have agreed to be faithful to your mate. She can completely divorce Swizz and that be the end of it - after all, he is going to do what he is going to do - but Alicia is not out of bounds. Its not going to make Swizz stop seeing her, but she has the right to let homegirl know how she feels about it. Alicia is not innocent and neither is anyone else who knowingly dates a married man. The old "I didn't make him do it" excuse is not some magic get-out-of-trouble-free card, especially if you run up on some chick like Ottensen who will wreck your shit, his shit and everybody that helped. Apparently Mashonda is not that type, as she's trying to deal with it on a civil level but lets not forget about the Left Eyes of the world who will set stuff on FIRE when provoked. The bottom line is, if you know you're wrong and do continue down that path, you reap what you sow. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: TD3 said: Swizz Beats wife should "tweet" a letter her husband and not Ms. Keys. These situation are always volatile, emotional and very painful and I do empathize but the "home wrecker" is Swizz Beat. I've never understood why women feel the need to confront the "other women" when in fact they need to confront their man/husband. Your husband choose to disrespect your vows; I'm certain the "other womenn" didn't to put a gun to his head and made him get in bed with her.
No, the home wreckers are both Alicia Keys AND Swizz Beats. If you go back and read what was said, Mashonda mentioned that she knows people will only see Alicia Keys the celebrity and not the person in this situation. She's right. There is no reason to think she hasn't already confronted Swizz. Mashonda is coming off as far more calm and intelligent that I thought she would be. As I said on another thread, this is an AFFAIR, which is different from some jumpoff/groupie sex where they hit it and quit it and move on. This was another relationship and there is no reason to absolve Alicia from her part in it as well. BOTH parties were guilty and whereas she can confront Swizz at home in private, she obviously can't do the same with Alicia. If Alicia can drop her drawers for someone else's husband, she can deal with what the wife has to say to her for doing it. She's contributing to the embarrassment of that woman. Why should she be exempt when she played a part as well? She shouldn't. A-fucking-MEN    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Adisa said: TD3 said: I'm not sure you know what either Blaque or I are talking about either. I wait to hear from BK and his thoughts.
Agreed.  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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BlaqueKnight said: TD3 said: I'm not sure you know what either Blaque or I are talking about either. I wait to hear from BK and his thoughts.
My thoughts are quite simple: IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO. You seem to be attempting to press the issue of laying the blame only on her husband. That's ridiculous. It is well within that woman's right to confront BOTH of them, not just her husband. Adisa was right. I was speaking on accountability and the fact that in this specific instance BOTH of them are indulging in selfish behavior. I don't know what your moral character is as often times cheaters tend to stand up for each other, but in a marriage, you have agreed to be faithful to your mate. She can completely divorce Swizz and that be the end of it - after all, he is going to do what he is going to do - but Alicia is not out of bounds. Its not going to make Swizz stop seeing her, but she has the right to let homegirl know how she feels about it. Alicia is not innocent and neither is anyone else who knowingly dates a married man. The old "I didn't make him do it" excuse is not some magic get-out-of-trouble-free card, especially if you run up on some chick like Ottensen who will wreck your shit, his shit and everybody that helped. Apparently Mashonda is not that type, as she's trying to deal with it on a civil level but lets not forget about the Left Eyes of the world who will set stuff on FIRE when provoked. The bottom line is, if you know you're wrong and do continue down that path, you reap what you sow. Exactly.  | |
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Left Eye burnt her man's house down... I remember that crazy shit. And he took her ass back for a minute, showed up to court and everything.
this thread title... "..swizz beats wife!" somebody gonna get confused.  | |
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TonyVanDam said: VoicesCarry said: Even Alicia be fuckin' for tracks now.
Oh don't worry. I think some of us suspected Alicia to be down for FFT. And don't overlook actors/actresses that are down with F***ing For Roles (FFR) as well.Yeah but at least sleep with someone who has tracks worth it, Swizz beatz has been over for a long time, garbage tracks. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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TonyVanDam said: VoicesCarry said: Even Alicia be fuckin' for tracks now.
Oh don't worry. I think some of us suspected Alicia to be down for FFT. And don't overlook actors/actresses that are down with F***ing For Roles (FFR) as well.Tony, I'm gonna need a confirmation of this..... I don't wanna download Pro Tools for nothin'! "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Mashonda is an attention-whore. I hate the whole it's the other-women fault thing. Alicia doesn't own her nothing. Ever since I watch Love's Deadly Triangle: The Texas Cadet Murder The whole she know what she doing thing is pretty stupid. | |
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TD3 said: Swizz Beats wife isn't married to both parties, she married to him.
Exactamundo! How long are you gonna fight these broads off when the problem is laying NEXT to you in bed? I don't buy the "he's only a man, she should've known better" argument. Time out for that passe bullshit. | |
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TonyVanDam said: JayJai said: That double standard been around for decades... don't be surprised. Angelina Jolie was NEVER verbally attack for messing with another woman's husband as bad as Alicia Keys. 
You fuckin' kiddin' me?
She's the one who STILL got the raw deal, while Jennifer gets the Meg Ryan treatment AND Brad gets patted on the back for hitting that. | |
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lastdecember said: TonyVanDam said: Oh don't worry. I think some of us suspected Alicia to be down for FFT. And don't overlook actors/actresses that are down with F***ing For Roles (FFR) as well.Yeah but at least sleep with someone who has tracks worth it, Swizz beatz has been over for a long time, garbage tracks.  Good point (although it's funny as hell the way you said THAT^!).[Edited 9/29/09 20:22pm] | |
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bboy87 said: TonyVanDam said: Oh don't worry. I think some of us suspected Alicia to be down for FFT. And don't overlook actors/actresses that are down with F***ing For Roles (FFR) as well.Tony, I'm gonna need a confirmation of this..... I don't wanna download Pro Tools for nothin'! I'll let the conspiracy buffs at YT & Dailymotion handle that for you.  | |
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VoicesCarry said: Even Alicia be fuckin' for tracks now.
 Awwwhhh damn not her too!!!
I didn't know Alicia's taste in men was that bad. Her ex-boyfriend Kerry looked sooo much better! I think her new song sucks but I have faith that she will make a comeback! Doesn't mean anything 
Her love life might be great but her music is suffering! The message you are about to hear are not meant for transmission. Should ONLY be accessed in the privacy of your mind. Words are so intense so if you dare to listen.Take off your clothes and meet me between the lines.  | |
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Harlepolis said: TonyVanDam said: Angelina Jolie was NEVER verbally attack for messing with another woman's husband as bad as Alicia Keys.
You fuckin' kiddin' me?
She's the one who STILL got the raw deal, while Jennifer gets the Meg Ryan treatment AND Brad gets patted on the back for hitting that. MEMO: Angelina made more money. There wasn't a raw deal like talking about it. She still gets the film roles whenever she feels like it. It'll be interesting to see how well Alicia does musically after her own hot mess. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: TD3 said: I'm not sure you know what either Blaque or I are talking about either. I wait to hear from BK and his thoughts.
My thoughts are quite simple: IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO. You seem to be attempting to press the issue of laying the blame only on her husband. That's ridiculous. It is well within that woman's right to confront BOTH of them, not just her husband. Adisa was right. I was speaking on accountability and the fact that in this specific instance BOTH of them are indulging in selfish behavior. [b]I don't know what your moral character is as often times cheaters tend to stand up for each other, but in a marriage, you have agreed to be faithful to your mate. She can completely divorce Swizz and that be the end of it - after all, he is going to do what he is going to do - but Alicia is not out of bounds. Its not going to make Swizz stop seeing her, but she has the right to let homegirl know how she feels about it. Alicia is not innocent and neither is anyone else who knowingly dates a married man. The old "I didn't make him do it" excuse is not some magic get-out-of-trouble-free card, especially if you run up on some chick like Ottensen who will wreck your shit, his shit and everybody that helped. Apparently Mashonda is not that type, as she's trying to deal with it on a civil level but lets not forget about the Left Eyes of the world who will set stuff on FIRE when provoked. The bottom line is, if you know you're wrong and do continue down that path, you reap what you sow.[/b] Blacknight said: As I said on another thread, this is an AFFAIR, which is different from some jumpoff/groupie sex where they hit it and quit it and move on.
WOW, this coming from a person who thinks there's a difference between a one night stand and an affair. "No baby it didn't mean anything see, its not adultery if you fucked someone once and didn't know their name. I hit it once then move on." Yeah. Right. OK. 
You are absolutely right IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO. That's just it, someone had to ask the other one to dance, Yes or No. Gee, would the affair ever had taken place if he had said, no? Would Mashonda ever had cause to write a Dear Alicia/Jane/Sue/Sally, or Chaquanda, letter on Tweeter of all places? NO. The painful deed has been done and the husband and wife have to deal with the blowback, especially for the one who's love and trust has been violated. So, you've wagged your finger in the "other womans" face, your are bad, bad, bad person, if this give one some psychological comfort, that's fine. Please, reread my posts. Is it wrong to cheat, lie, commit adultery? Uh, yeah. I questioned the futility of confronting the "other woman" my opinion would be same if the circumstances had been reversed. Trina | |
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TonyVanDam said: Harlepolis said:
You fuckin' kiddin' me?
She's the one who STILL got the raw deal, while Jennifer gets the Meg Ryan treatment AND Brad gets patted on the back for hitting that. MEMO: Angelina made more money. There wasn't a raw deal like talking about it. She still gets the film roles whenever she feels like it. It'll be interesting to see how well Alicia does musically after her own hot mess. She'll be fine,,, If anything, the whole "Empire State Of Mind" thing with Jigga will give her boring career a revived boost. | |
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When I first heard about this, I was like WTF, cause I could give a damn about Alicia on a daily basis and on top of that, I thought she was a lesbian. Still do. BUT, to me, this is just fake ass drama. I normally have an opinion about everything, but this escapes me, mainly, because unlike Mashonda (who the hell names their kid that?) I don't entertain ghetto hostility and I am not one for putting MY business on Front Street. People are just gonna see Mashonda as a victim and this won't impact Alicia. Some people just get away with more, like Alicia and others don't get away with shit.
This gets a pass from me, because really, at the end of the day, it seems so unbelievable to me, kinda like Bambi coming out of 7-11 with a blunt in one hand and 40 in the other. [Edited 9/29/09 21:34pm] "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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Harlepolis said: TonyVanDam said: MEMO: Angelina made more money. There wasn't a raw deal like talking about it. She still gets the film roles whenever she feels like it. It'll be interesting to see how well Alicia does musically after her own hot mess. She'll be fine,,, If anything, the whole "Empire State Of Mind" thing with Jigga will give her boring career a revived boost. 
You see, I'm trying my best to behave myself without the risk of this thread getting send to P&R. With that said..... It's a shame that if Alicia has to be the next artist to join "The Elite" just to move to the next level of success. With Jay-Z/Kanye West/Beyonce/Sean Combs/Rhianna already included, that circle is becoming a crowded house. And that's not including Lady Gaga with her own solo Illuminati-inspired performance art gimmicks. The 2010's is going to be a pretty dark decade ahead. Just watch. | |
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1) What is P&R
2) What do you mean by "The Elite" 3) What do you mean by dark decade 4) Whatever happened to speaking in English? "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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Harlepolis said: TonyVanDam said: Angelina Jolie was NEVER verbally attack for messing with another woman's husband as bad as Alicia Keys.
You fuckin' kiddin' me?
She's the one who STILL got the raw deal, while Jennifer gets the Meg Ryan treatment AND Brad gets patted on the back for hitting that. Nah, I disagree. I think people treat Angelina like a damn princess who deserves the prize that is Brad b/c most people think she's better looking than Jennifer. Meanwhile Jen can't escape the dark cloud of being left by her husband & being (so far) unable to sustain a relationship since (at least in the public eye). Jen gets racked over the coals daily, while Angelina is propped up. I didn't sense an ounce of backlash against her. & Brad remains untouched. It's all crazy I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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GirlBrother said: Have I read this wrong? Hadn't the couple already separated (if not divorced) by the time Alicia moved on in?
Based on what I've read...no. I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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TD3 said: Swizz Beats wife should "tweet" a letter her husband and not Ms. Keys. These situation are always volatile, emotional and very painful and I do empathize but the "home wrecker" is Swizz Beat. I've never understood why women feel the need to confront the "other women" when in fact they need to confront their man/husband. Your husband choose to disrespect your vows; I'm certain the "other womenn" didn't to put a gun to his head and made him get in bed with her.
The wife clearly states that she's not laying all the blame on Alicia and that she's tried to reach out to her repeatedly in private and Alicia hasn't met her halfway. It sounds like she's resolved her issues with Swizz but acknowledges that due to the child that if Alicia is gonna be around they need to talk. I agree. I'm not saying Twitter is the way to go but if the heffa won't have a sitdown with wifey but got the balls to be publicizing her love for a married nucca on Twitter then she deserves to be put on FULL blast ON Twitter. If the mountain won't go to Muhammad . . . You can't have it both ways. | |
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Timmy84 said: Both Alicia and Swizz need to be called out.
Exactly! But it looks like wifey wasn't trynna call her out publically but her unresponsiveness and public declarations got her ass put on blast. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: TD3 said: Swizz Beats wife should "tweet" a letter her husband and not Ms. Keys. These situation are always volatile, emotional and very painful and I do empathize but the "home wrecker" is Swizz Beat. I've never understood why women feel the need to confront the "other women" when in fact they need to confront their man/husband. Your husband choose to disrespect your vows; I'm certain the "other womenn" didn't to put a gun to his head and made him get in bed with her.
No, the home wreckers are both Alicia Keys AND Swizz Beats. If you go back and read what was said, Mashonda mentioned that she knows people will only see Alicia Keys the celebrity and not the person in this situation. She's right. There is no reason to think she hasn't already confronted Swizz. Mashonda is coming off as far more calm and intelligent that I thought she would be. As I said on another thread, this is an AFFAIR, which is different from some jumpoff/groupie sex where they hit it and quit it and move on. This was another relationship and there is no reason to absolve Alicia from her part in it as well. BOTH parties were guilty and whereas she can confront Swizz at home in private, she obviously can't do the same with Alicia. If Alicia can drop her drawers for someone else's husband, she can deal with what the wife has to say to her for doing it. She's contributing to the embarrassment of that woman. Why should she be exempt when she played a part as well? She shouldn't.  | |
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Ottensen said: DesireeNevermind said: well stated.
You really do have some women, many women, who think that men can't help themselves and therefore its up the female race to keep them from cheating. An ex-friend of mine had a ruthless cheating ass husband and all she ever did was confront the other women. I asked her "why are you wasting time with these heffas, go talk to him" and she replied "he's just being a man, those bitches should know better." I was like . Swizz's wife is probably one of those type of women and that's probably why he is leaving her. Even players get bored with doormats.Nah fuck that. I'm just a volatile woman. I believe in kickin' urrybody ass that had a hand in furthering my pain. Ask my ex-husband...and his current chick...and his lowdown, dirty ass business co-horts     
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phunkdaddy said: VoicesCarry said: Even Alicia be fuckin' for tracks now.
Now???  | |
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Harlepolis said: TonyVanDam said: Angelina Jolie was NEVER verbally attack for messing with another woman's husband as bad as Alicia Keys.
You fuckin' kiddin' me?
She's the one who STILL got the raw deal, while Jennifer gets the Meg Ryan treatment AND Brad gets patted on the back for hitting that. Exactly, I was shocked by that statement, way to try and make a race issue when there just isn't one. Everybody still calls Angelina a homewrecker to this day and its been 4 years. | |
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CalhounSq said: Harlepolis said:
You fuckin' kiddin' me?
She's the one who STILL got the raw deal, while Jennifer gets the Meg Ryan treatment AND Brad gets patted on the back for hitting that. Nah, I disagree. I think people treat Angelina like a damn princess who deserves the prize that is Brad b/c most people think she's better looking than Jennifer. Meanwhile Jen can't escape the dark cloud of being left by her husband & being (so far) unable to sustain a relationship since (at least in the public eye). Jen gets racked over the coals daily, while Angelina is propped up. I didn't sense an ounce of backlash against her. & Brad remains untouched. It's all crazy She's seen as a princess because of her humanitarian work. But shes still seen in a semi-bad light, every time theres a topic about her on blogs and other sites half the responses are calling her 'homewrecker!'. If there was none of that humanitarian work she would have had even more backlash than what she already got. | |
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I think the black blogs and gossip sites are the ones upset. White media, who support Alicia don't care and don't get the fuss "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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