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The Stooges Jimmy Cliff Laura Nyro, The Hollies I’d really only go to the mat for the Stooges out of that bunch, but I think they’re all worthy enough. If the hall is going to start to acknowledge prog, then I think Yes would have been a better selection. Leaving aside Jon Anderson’s sissy-boy vocals, they made better records for a longer length of time IMO, and when they did ‘sell out’ (whatever that means) they made more interesting commercial hits. That’s not to suggest that this ought to be a zero-sum game where only one act of that sort can be given their due at one time, but I’d expect some kind of filter that only allows recognition of one punkish act, one r&b-ish act & so on is in effect. Yep....I think the band Yes is killin'. Again, they had major hits in the 70's and 80's, a golden period in music all across the board. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: damosuzuki said: Donna Summer
The Stooges Jimmy Cliff Laura Nyro, The Hollies I’d really only go to the mat for the Stooges out of that bunch, but I think they’re all worthy enough. If the hall is going to start to acknowledge prog, then I think Yes would have been a better selection. Leaving aside Jon Anderson’s sissy-boy vocals, they made better records for a longer length of time IMO, and when they did ‘sell out’ (whatever that means) they made more interesting commercial hits. That’s not to suggest that this ought to be a zero-sum game where only one act of that sort can be given their due at one time, but I’d expect some kind of filter that only allows recognition of one punkish act, one r&b-ish act & so on is in effect. Yep....I think the band Yes is killin'. Again, they had major hits in the 70's and 80's, a golden period in music all across the board. Ain't Yes one of those bands that still have the same lineup from 40 years before? | |
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DerekH said: blackguitaristz said: I really agree with this sentiment....Especially the New York Dolls who were a huge influence on KISS. So much so, their responsible for the band name KISS. Paul has stated that he came up with the name KISS because of the New York Dolls song "Looking Fo A Kiss". But then you move on down with the band name KISS influencing the group Chic. Nile also has stated that he and Bernard came up with their band name Chic from the band name KISS! Speaking of Chic, they were nominated in 08 for induction. That was the fifth time they were nominated for inclusion. I say they definately belong in there. but as I mentioned earlier, bands like Journey, who OWNED the power ballad, as sucessful and popular as they were in the 70's and 80's,..I don't know what more thay needed to do. They had one of the best male rock vocalists ever in Steve Perry. [Edited 9/27/09 14:49pm] I think the HOF voters are mostly music writers and critics. So they might be holding a grudge against certain bands on giving them nominations, even if the band is or was popular with fans. I don't know....I wouldn't cast votes for anyone of the bands you mentioned....MAYBE a case could be made for Journey; and that's because they had real longevity and a lead singer (Steve Perry) that, no matter what corny shit he was singing about, had a GREAT voice...But really, it's not just about being a music snob...The bands you mentioned were interchangeable... They were all part of the big '70s corporate rock band era that produced some cool singable songs...But most of the time they were releasing some pandering, meat head bullshit.... If anything Chic should have been in a long time ago...More than just them as a band, the members of Chic would have an impact long after the group would break up....Nile Rogers and Bernard Edwards were huge in every way (from hip hop to Rogers' work with Madonna).... As far as other bands that should be in RIGHT NOW? The Cars Hall & Oates Luther Vandross The Stooges, Genesis, and Donna Summers (as I've noted in my earlier post) Stevie Ray Vaughn Rush Also, I'm happy to see LL Cool J get some recognition...A lot of folks on this board may be shaking their heads at that nomination...But when you (LL) represent the first release off of the most important hip hop label of all time (Def Jam) and manage to have immense longevity early on in a genre of music that was in the beginning notorious for short runs (LL's career as a hitmaker stretched from 1985 to 1998), that's pretty impressive... | |
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murph said: DerekH said: I think there's some kind of thing the HOF has against something against certain 70s rock...no Boston, Styx, Foreigner, or Journey so far.
I think the HOF voters are mostly music writers and critics. So they might be holding a grudge against certain bands on giving them nominations, even if the band is or was popular with fans. I don't know....I wouldn't cast votes for anyone of the bands you mentioned....MAYBE a case could be made for Journey; and that's because they had real longevity and a lead singer (Steve Perry) that, no matter what corny shit he was singing about, had a GREAT voice...But really, it's not just about being a music snob...The bands you mentioned were interchangeable... They were all part of the big '70s corporate rock band era that produced some cool singable songs...But most of the time they were releasing some pandering, meat head bullshit.... If anything Chic should have been in a long time ago...More than just them as a band, the members of Chic would have an impact long after the group would break up....Nile Rogers and Bernard Edwards were huge in every way (from hip hop to Rogers' work with Madonna).... As far as other bands that should be in RIGHT NOW? The Cars Hall & Oates Luther Vandross The Stooges, Genesis, and Donna Summers (as I've noted in my earlier post) Stevie Ray Vaughn Rush Also, I'm happy to see LL Cool J get some recognition...A lot of folks on this board may be shaking their heads at that nomination...But when you (LL) represent the first release off of the most important hip hop label of all time (Def Jam) and manage to have immense longevity early on in a genre of music that was in the beginning notorious for short runs (LL's career as a hitmaker stretched from 1985 to 1998), that's pretty impressive... That's what I meant about the "corporate rock" stuff--the HOF is putting Journey in with that same crowd. I completely forgot about the Cars! Have they even been nominated yet? I didn't Stevie Ray was eligible until now, but I found out "Texas Flood" came out in '83 and I thought it came out in '84 or '85...so he should be in, too Speaking of Def Jam, since LL is up for a nomination this year, and the Beasties were last year, then Public Enemy should be up soon! | |
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DerekH said: murph said: I don't know....I wouldn't cast votes for anyone of the bands you mentioned....MAYBE a case could be made for Journey; and that's because they had real longevity and a lead singer (Steve Perry) that, no matter what corny shit he was singing about, had a GREAT voice...But really, it's not just about being a music snob...The bands you mentioned were interchangeable... They were all part of the big '70s corporate rock band era that produced some cool singable songs...But most of the time they were releasing some pandering, meat head bullshit.... If anything Chic should have been in a long time ago...More than just them as a band, the members of Chic would have an impact long after the group would break up....Nile Rogers and Bernard Edwards were huge in every way (from hip hop to Rogers' work with Madonna).... As far as other bands that should be in RIGHT NOW? The Cars Hall & Oates Luther Vandross The Stooges, Genesis, and Donna Summers (as I've noted in my earlier post) Stevie Ray Vaughn Rush Also, I'm happy to see LL Cool J get some recognition...A lot of folks on this board may be shaking their heads at that nomination...But when you (LL) represent the first release off of the most important hip hop label of all time (Def Jam) and manage to have immense longevity early on in a genre of music that was in the beginning notorious for short runs (LL's career as a hitmaker stretched from 1985 to 1998), that's pretty impressive... That's what I meant about the "corporate rock" stuff--the HOF is putting Journey in with that same crowd. I completely forgot about the Cars! Have they even been nominated yet? I didn't Stevie Ray was eligible until now, but I found out "Texas Flood" came out in '83 and I thought it came out in '84 or '85...so he should be in, too Speaking of Def Jam, since LL is up for a nomination this year, and the Beasties were last year, then Public Enemy should be up soon! I don't think the Cars been nominated yet...  | |
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Class of 2010
Performance Category The Stooges – Burned a hard, fast and extremely influential flame. Have been eligible for 16 years, but perhaps now is the time they’ll dance into the hall shirtless? Donna Summer - Surfed the most royal of vocal waves for an extended period with a rich catalogue that stands the sighs of time “Hot Stuff’, huh? Yeah, unquestionably a queen. Genesis - They had few peers in their realm during the 70s. Will kick down the effing Progressive/Art Rock door. Are you watching Yes and the Moody Blues? You should be. LL Cool J – One of the early kings of this younger movement. I can just see him in the final half-naked jam with Iggy and Peter Gabriel dressed as a sunflower. Hip Hop has scratched through the door, now periodically their royalty should assume a position at the podium. Laura Nyro – One of the greatest singer/songwriters of the 60s/70s. In a very broad sense, she is to Joni Mitchell as Leonard Cohen is to Bob Dylan. Not quite as astonishingly brilliant or prolific, but one of the next-best spices. And if you’re only into R&B, you can sample her through an album she did with Labelle. Early Influence: Darlene Love – Not much of a catalogue, but you don’t need one here. Her incredible voice rubbed up against countless scratch pads. I could listen to her over the course of a box set, but it didn’t directly go down that way. ----- Maybe Next Year ABBA – They’re a lock at some point. The walls of this Hall weren’t built in a day. Rufus & Chaka Khan, Hall & Oates, Chicago, Todd Rundgren, WAR, Love, Luther Vandross, Rick James, CHIC, New York Dolls, Eurythmics, and many dozens of others that will no doubt have their day in the sun. Sometimes it takes 10 or 20 years. And there’s no shame in that at all, unless one thinks they’re James Brown or Bob Dylan. Kiss – Way better than the commercial novelty and home-shopping-network attitudes would suggest, but might have to pay a few more bills before this particular kitsch gets the full nod. And heads will not only eventually nod, but tongues will roll. Jimmy Cliff – Bob Marley is a legend of the legends and was an easy, first-ballot inductee 16 years ago. But as brilliant as he is, he shouldn’t represent an entire island. I would personally like to see him make it this year over LL Cool J. Age before beauty. But I’m not that confident. Red Hot Chili Peppers – Far too early for such an honor. The Hollies – I know some of their material, but need more education. If they make it, it’s a perfect opportunity for me to dig deeper. The Chantels – Another early influence. There’s only one early-influence a year (I think) so I give a slight edge to Darlene Love. I’m sure many girl groups get down at their alter, but I need to learn and hear a lot more from them directly. I’ve no doubt heard countless from the many groups that traveled easier roads because of them. | |
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Brendan said: Class of 2010
Performance Category The Stooges – Burned a hard, fast and extremely influential flame. Have been eligible for 16 years, but perhaps now is the time they’ll dance into the hall shirtless? Donna Summer - Surfed the most royal of vocal waves for an extended period with a rich catalogue that stands the sighs of time “Hot Stuff’, huh? Yeah, unquestionably a queen. Genesis - They had few peers in their realm during the 70s. Will kick down the effing Progressive/Art Rock door. Are you watching Yes and the Moody Blues? You should be. LL Cool J – One of the early kings of this younger movement. I can just see him in the final half-naked jam with Iggy and Peter Gabriel dressed as a sunflower. Hip Hop has scratched through the door, now periodically their royalty should assume a position at the podium. Laura Nyro – One of the greatest singer/songwriters of the 60s/70s. In a very broad sense, she is to Joni Mitchell as Leonard Cohen is to Bob Dylan. Not quite as astonishingly brilliant or prolific, but one of the next-best spices. And if you’re only into R&B, you can sample her through an album she did with Labelle. Early Influence: Darlene Love – Not much of a catalogue, but you don’t need one here. Her incredible voice rubbed up against countless scratch pads. I could listen to her over the course of a box set, but it didn’t directly go down that way. ----- Maybe Next Year ABBA – They’re a lock at some point. The walls of this Hall weren’t built in a day. Rufus & Chaka Khan, Hall & Oates, Chicago, Todd Rundgren, WAR, Love, Luther Vandross, Rick James, CHIC, New York Dolls, Eurythmics, and many dozens of others that will no doubt have their day in the sun. Sometimes it takes 10 or 20 years. And there’s no shame in that at all, unless one thinks they’re James Brown or Bob Dylan. Kiss – Way better than the commercial novelty and home-shopping-network attitudes would suggest, but might have to pay a few more bills before this particular kitsch gets the full nod. And heads will not only eventually nod, but tongues will roll. Jimmy Cliff – Bob Marley is a legend of the legends and was an easy, first-ballot inductee 16 years ago. But as brilliant as he is, he shouldn’t represent an entire island. I would personally like to see him make it this year over LL Cool J. Age before beauty. But I’m not that confident. Red Hot Chili Peppers – Far too early for such an honor. The Hollies – I know some of their material, but need more education. If they make it, it’s a perfect opportunity for me to dig deeper. The Chantels – Another early influence. There’s only one early-influence a year (I think) so I give a slight edge to Darlene Love. I’m sure many girl groups get down at their alter, but I need to learn and hear a lot more from them directly. I’ve no doubt heard countless from the many groups that traveled easier roads because of them. You mean IGGY. The rest of the guys keep their shirts on.  Iggy was something else in the 1960s and 1970s tho.   | |
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Timmy84 said: Brendan said: Class of 2010
Performance Category The Stooges – Burned a hard, fast and extremely influential flame. Have been eligible for 16 years, but perhaps now is the time they’ll dance into the hall shirtless? Donna Summer - Surfed the most royal of vocal waves for an extended period with a rich catalogue that stands the sighs of time “Hot Stuff’, huh? Yeah, unquestionably a queen. Genesis - They had few peers in their realm during the 70s. Will kick down the effing Progressive/Art Rock door. Are you watching Yes and the Moody Blues? You should be. LL Cool J – One of the early kings of this younger movement. I can just see him in the final half-naked jam with Iggy and Peter Gabriel dressed as a sunflower. Hip Hop has scratched through the door, now periodically their royalty should assume a position at the podium. Laura Nyro – One of the greatest singer/songwriters of the 60s/70s. In a very broad sense, she is to Joni Mitchell as Leonard Cohen is to Bob Dylan. Not quite as astonishingly brilliant or prolific, but one of the next-best spices. And if you’re only into R&B, you can sample her through an album she did with Labelle. Early Influence: Darlene Love – Not much of a catalogue, but you don’t need one here. Her incredible voice rubbed up against countless scratch pads. I could listen to her over the course of a box set, but it didn’t directly go down that way. ----- Maybe Next Year ABBA – They’re a lock at some point. The walls of this Hall weren’t built in a day. Rufus & Chaka Khan, Hall & Oates, Chicago, Todd Rundgren, WAR, Love, Luther Vandross, Rick James, CHIC, New York Dolls, Eurythmics, and many dozens of others that will no doubt have their day in the sun. Sometimes it takes 10 or 20 years. And there’s no shame in that at all, unless one thinks they’re James Brown or Bob Dylan. Kiss – Way better than the commercial novelty and home-shopping-network attitudes would suggest, but might have to pay a few more bills before this particular kitsch gets the full nod. And heads will not only eventually nod, but tongues will roll. Jimmy Cliff – Bob Marley is a legend of the legends and was an easy, first-ballot inductee 16 years ago. But as brilliant as he is, he shouldn’t represent an entire island. I would personally like to see him make it this year over LL Cool J. Age before beauty. But I’m not that confident. Red Hot Chili Peppers – Far too early for such an honor. The Hollies – I know some of their material, but need more education. If they make it, it’s a perfect opportunity for me to dig deeper. The Chantels – Another early influence. There’s only one early-influence a year (I think) so I give a slight edge to Darlene Love. I’m sure many girl groups get down at their alter, but I need to learn and hear a lot more from them directly. I’ve no doubt heard countless from the many groups that traveled easier roads because of them. You mean IGGY. The rest of the guys keep their shirts on. Iggy was something else in the 1960s and 1970s tho. LL Cool J at one time seemed to love to perform without a shirt and show off his six pack.
But, yeah, I didn't mean to imply that anyone other than those two would be down for participation. But one never knows what might be inspired. 
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Brendan said: Timmy84 said: You mean IGGY. The rest of the guys keep their shirts on. Iggy was something else in the 1960s and 1970s tho. LL Cool J at one time seemed to love to perform without a shirt and show off his six pack.
But, yeah, I didn't mean to imply that anyone other than those two would be down for participation. But one never knows what might inspire. Oh believe me, the rest of the Stooges are shy compared to their front man. Didn't the guy use to show his ass and dick to the audience when he was younger?  Well you can tell he's mellowed, he'd only take his shirt off and pose now. He's still ripped for someone at 64 years old, lol | |
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Timmy84 said: Brendan said: LL Cool J at one time seemed to love to perform without a shirt and show off his six pack.
But, yeah, I didn't mean to imply that anyone other than those two would be down for participation. But one never knows what might inspire. Oh believe me, the rest of the Stooges are shy compared to their front man. Didn't the guy use to show his ass and dick to the audience when he was younger? Well you can tell he's mellowed, he'd only take his shirt off and pose now. He's still ripped for someone at 64 years old, lolHopefully it's just his muscles that are ripped now. | |
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Timmy84 said: Brendan said: LL Cool J at one time seemed to love to perform without a shirt and show off his six pack.
But, yeah, I didn't mean to imply that anyone other than those two would be down for participation. But one never knows what might inspire. Oh believe me, the rest of the Stooges are shy compared to their front man. Didn't the guy use to show his ass and dick to the audience when he was younger? Well you can tell he's mellowed, he'd only take his shirt off and pose now. He's still ripped for someone at 64 years old, lolIggy used to stage dive and crowd surf before they had names for doing it. He's rubbed peanut butter all over himself at a show, and he even took a dump onstage once! | |
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Brendan said: Timmy84 said: Oh believe me, the rest of the Stooges are shy compared to their front man. Didn't the guy use to show his ass and dick to the audience when he was younger? Well you can tell he's mellowed, he'd only take his shirt off and pose now. He's still ripped for someone at 64 years old, lolHopefully it's just his muscles that are ripped now.  I know what you mean. | |
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DerekH said: Timmy84 said: Oh believe me, the rest of the Stooges are shy compared to their front man. Didn't the guy use to show his ass and dick to the audience when he was younger? Well you can tell he's mellowed, he'd only take his shirt off and pose now. He's still ripped for someone at 64 years old, lolIggy used to stage dive and crowd surf before they had names for doing it. He's rubbed peanut butter all over himself at a show, and he even took a dump onstage once! I remember hearing about the peanut butter thing. | |
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Brendan said: Class of 2010
Performance Category The Stooges – Burned a hard, fast and extremely influential flame. Have been eligible for 16 years, but perhaps now is the time they’ll dance into the hall shirtless? Donna Summer - Surfed the most royal of vocal waves for an extended period with a rich catalogue that stands the sighs of time “Hot Stuff’, huh? Yeah, unquestionably a queen. Genesis - They had few peers in their realm during the 70s. Will kick down the effing Progressive/Art Rock door. Are you watching Yes and the Moody Blues? You should be. LL Cool J – One of the early kings of this younger movement. I can just see him in the final half-naked jam with Iggy and Peter Gabriel dressed as a sunflower. Hip Hop has scratched through the door, now periodically their royalty should assume a position at the podium. Laura Nyro – One of the greatest singer/songwriters of the 60s/70s. In a very broad sense, she is to Joni Mitchell as Leonard Cohen is to Bob Dylan. Not quite as astonishingly brilliant or prolific, but one of the next-best spices. And if you’re only into R&B, you can sample her through an album she did with Labelle. Early Influence: Darlene Love – Not much of a catalogue, but you don’t need one here. Her incredible voice rubbed up against countless scratch pads. I could listen to her over the course of a box set, but it didn’t directly go down that way. ----- Maybe Next Year ABBA – They’re a lock at some point. The walls of this Hall weren’t built in a day. Rufus & Chaka Khan, Hall & Oates, Chicago, Todd Rundgren, WAR, Love, Luther Vandross, Rick James, CHIC, New York Dolls, Eurythmics, and many dozens of others that will no doubt have their day in the sun. Sometimes it takes 10 or 20 years. And there’s no shame in that at all, unless one thinks they’re James Brown or Bob Dylan. Kiss – Way better than the commercial novelty and home-shopping-network attitudes would suggest, but might have to pay a few more bills before this particular kitsch gets the full nod. And heads will not only eventually nod, but tongues will roll. Jimmy Cliff – Bob Marley is a legend of the legends and was an easy, first-ballot inductee 16 years ago. But as brilliant as he is, he shouldn’t represent an entire island. I would personally like to see him make it this year over LL Cool J. Age before beauty. But I’m not that confident. Red Hot Chili Peppers – Far too early for such an honor. The Hollies – I know some of their material, but need more education. If they make it, it’s a perfect opportunity for me to dig deeper. The Chantels – Another early influence. There’s only one early-influence a year (I think) so I give a slight edge to Darlene Love. I’m sure many girl groups get down at their alter, but I need to learn and hear a lot more from them directly. I’ve no doubt heard countless from the many groups that traveled easier roads because of them. Very nice breakdown. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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funkpill said: dang!!!
it's been awhile since a Z Cult Question Yes it has, hasn't it? SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Timmy84 said: DerekH said: Iggy used to stage dive and crowd surf before they had names for doing it. He's rubbed peanut butter all over himself at a show, and he even took a dump onstage once! I remember hearing about the peanut butter thing. Iggy cut himself up and shit on stage as well. He was all about going way and beyond getting a reaction from the crowd. But with all of that, I think he's a legend. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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