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Reply #240 posted 09/29/09 5:53pm

Timmy84

babynoz said:

violetblues said:

For an old dude, Larry King is awesome. ( Larry already acknowledged this is his last season by the way)

Just cause people feel let down by their "king", no need to take it out on the world. lol

Regardless of WHO taped the stuff, what it boils down to is, MJ in his own words, expressing his own thoughts.

Nobody told him to say the nutty things he says. Whether it was the meds talking or not, or the effects of a dysfunctional family environment, MJ was pretty fucked up in the head the poor guy.
There is no need to try and defend it, but rather understand it as psychological disorders, and move on from there. You guys and we as a society will be the better for it. lol

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None of that excuses the Rabbi's lack of ethics. I haven't seen any evidence that MJ gave his consent to make these tapes public.


Word! lol
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Reply #241 posted 09/29/09 5:59pm

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Timmy84 said:

babynoz said:



None of that excuses the Rabbi's lack of ethics. I haven't seen any evidence that MJ gave his consent to make these tapes public.


Word! lol

he said that Mj gave him permission, how can we be so sure shrug
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Reply #242 posted 09/29/09 6:01pm

Timmy84

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:



Word! lol

he said that Mj gave him permission, how can we be so sure shrug


But on Larry King? lol
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Reply #243 posted 09/29/09 6:03pm

seeingvoices12

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Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:


he said that Mj gave him permission, how can we be so sure shrug


But on Larry King? lol


on dateline ? eek he said that ? or Im hearing things....he is a backstabber anyway..lol
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MICHAEL JACKSON
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Reply #244 posted 09/29/09 6:10pm

violetblues

MJ knew that he was being taped, so consent seems to be a given.
Book publishers have lawyers that counsel them as to the legality of their publications and liabilities.
Whatever the case, it seems it was legal.
Is the Rabi unethical, a leach and a scumbag?..its seems to be the case.

In MJ's impaired mental state, he seemed to associated with a lot of undesirable people because they told him what he wanted to hear.
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Reply #245 posted 09/29/09 6:11pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:



But on Larry King? lol


on dateline ? eek he said that ? or Im hearing things....he is a backstabber anyway..lol
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he's on larry king now saying michael wanted this book published cause he was misunderstood
"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #246 posted 09/29/09 6:15pm

Timmy84

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:



But on Larry King? lol


on dateline ? eek he said that ? or Im hearing things....he is a backstabber anyway..lol
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On Dateline too, lol
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Reply #247 posted 09/29/09 6:19pm

2elijah

This is so sad. I'm watching the CNN interview with the rabbi talking about the MJ tapes. All I have to say is thank God MJ is not here to endure anymore pain. I miss that he is no longer here, and appreciate the music he made, but to know how much personal pain he endured during his lifetime is extremely sad. Just shows you how evil people in this world can be.
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Reply #248 posted 09/29/09 6:36pm

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mimi07 said:

seeingvoices12 said:



on dateline ? eek he said that ? or Im hearing things....he is a backstabber anyway..lol
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he's on larry king now saying michael wanted this book published cause he was misunderstood



Don’t believe anything…

Sometimes people get close to Mj but suddenly he cuts ties with them and stay away from them for various reasons , Uri geller is the prime example, they are many people who claimed to be close to Mj when in fact they weren’t, ok, that rabbi and Mj were seen together on many occasions so was Uri geller , but when was the last time MJ talked with that person? how can we be sure that Mj gave him the permission to publish this book? and what was his relationship with MJ before his death,? What if his relationship with that guy Deteriorated years before his death?

We don’t know anything……….all I know that he is promoting his book for his own gain using those tapes as tool , especially after his death…the fact that these tapes are coming out now after Mj’s death says a lot……..
MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
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Reply #249 posted 09/29/09 6:48pm

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sad didn't know michael was with ryan white when he died

i could care less about the rabbi, i just want to hear michael himself on these tapes
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"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #250 posted 09/29/09 6:59pm

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ugh i missed lkl

dude is so senile though

anyone remember when he was interviewing joe and that lawyer guy (??) he was using a metaphor like, why would you have let a coke supplier live with a coke addict..or something to that effect

and larry was like WHAT MICHAEL WAS ADDICTED TO COKE?!!

lol
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Reply #251 posted 09/29/09 7:00pm

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was he on lkl the whole show??
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Reply #252 posted 09/29/09 7:06pm

babynoz

violetblues said:

MJ knew that he was being taped, so consent seems to be a given.
Book publishers have lawyers that counsel them as to the legality of their publications and liabilities.
Whatever the case, it seems it was legal.
Is the Rabi unethical, a leach and a scumbag?..its seems to be the case.

In MJ's impaired mental state, he seemed to associated with a lot of undesirable people because they told him what he wanted to hear.
[Edited 9/29/09 18:12pm]


Very true...he clearly lacked good judgement. Even moreso than most celebs.
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Reply #253 posted 09/29/09 7:13pm

mimi07

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was he on lkl the whole show??

yes

it was pretty much the same as the dateline exclusive except there was new audio of michael talking about ryan white.
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"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #254 posted 09/29/09 7:39pm

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http://www.chicagojewishnews.com/story.htm?sid=8&id=253140

Michael Jackson's 'rabbi'


As a rabbi of over 30 years experience, I was both appalled and disappointed in the story by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach concerning his friendship with and impressions of Michael Jackson. In so many ways, Rabbi Boteach crossed over the line of propriety and professional ethics.

Rabbis along with other clergy, along with the practitioners of all the helping professions, are bound by definite rules of confidentiality. It is precisely this rule which enables us to assist people who depend upon us to preserve the sacred bond of trust. What we discuss or experience with people who seek our assistance are meant to be kept absolutely private.

There are no exceptions. In fact, physicians and lawyers who violate this trust lose their licenses to practice should their breach of confidence be discovered. Even when those that we have counseled or befriended are no longer living, the same rule applies.

It is only because of this assurance of total confidence that people feel they can be open with us. All of us in these professions also understand that there is no real difference between professional and personal connections. The things we learn or observe in our personal relations are just as sacrosanct.

I have had numerous experiences with well known people but I have never spoken and certainly would never write about these experiences for two reasons. First, it would violate the trust of these individuals who believed they could be open and candid with me. Second, it would severely curtail my ability to be of help to others since they would feel that I was not trustworthy.

When Rabbi Boteach spoke publicly and also wrote about his experiences with Michael Jackson, he did serious harm to all rabbis and other clergy as well. No doubt Rabbi Boteach felt he was advancing his own career and public profile as the "rabbi to the stars."

Perhaps he has, but at the expense of his own trustworthiness and also that of other rabbis. I also must wonder what kind of friend he really was for him now to exploit Mr. Jackson's tragic death with grandstanding.

Rabbi Boteach should have given more thought to the serious damage he was doing. As he must know, he also violated several of the sacred principles of our Jewish religion which specifically prohibit tale-bearing (even when the tales may be true), gossip, and "lashon ha-ra" (meaning evil speech).

Rabbi Michael Sternfield, Chicago Sinai Congregation


Oooh, I see. I don't agree with him violating Michael's trust, but now that he is dead, if it helps bring backlash to Joe Jackson, I can overlook it. evillol

As a victim of child abuse myself growing up (nothing near as bad as what Joe did though), it absolutely disgusts me to hear the things Joe did to Michael and I want nothing but the absolute worst for that old buzzard.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #255 posted 09/29/09 7:53pm

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mimi07 said:

dearmother said:

was he on lkl the whole show??

yes

it was pretty much the same as the dateline exclusive except there was new audio of michael talking about ryan white.
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thanks i wont feel so bad for missing it now
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Reply #256 posted 09/29/09 10:01pm

purplesweat

violetblues said:

For an old dude, Larry King is awesome. ( Larry already acknowledged this is his last season by the way)

Just cause people feel let down by their "king", no need to take it out on the world. lol

Regardless of WHO taped the stuff, what it boils down to is, MJ in his own words, expressing his own thoughts.

Nobody told him to say the nutty things he says. Whether it was the meds talking or not, or the effects of a dysfunctional family environment, MJ was pretty fucked up in the head the poor guy.
There is no need to try and defend it, but rather understand it as psychological disorders, and move on from there. You guys and we as a society will be the better for it. lol


Oh, look, a hater.

See that button in the top left corner of your screen?

It's called the BACK button.

Click it, please.
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Reply #257 posted 09/30/09 9:37am

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Michael was not fucked up in the head. Far from it..

Shit lets see you take the beating that he has in his life.

And, I don't just mean Joe.
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Reply #258 posted 09/30/09 9:55am

voyevoda

Can someone tell me why he would oil him up before the beating?.
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Reply #259 posted 09/30/09 9:58am

kibbles

i knew it wouldn't be long before roger friedman weighed in on the 'good rabbi':

http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/

Michael Jackson Sold Out by His “Friend” ShmuleyBy: Roger Friedman // Tuesday September 29, 2009
It’s sort of amazing watching Shmuley Boteach, a rabbi with no congregation other than an unwitting public, selling out Michael Jackson. He’s just published a book of interviews he taped with Michael back in 2000-2001. All the money goes to Boteach. There’s no charity involved. (Ironically, Boteach also recently published a book called “The Blessing of Enough: Rejecting Material Greed, Embracing Spiritual Hunger.”)

That wasn’t the case in 2000 when I met both Michael and Boteach together one November night. It was at the home of PR guru Howard Rubenstein. Boteach had convinced Michael to start a new charity with him called Time for Kids. They were going to teach parents to spend time with their children.

There were about 30 people in the Rubensteins’ Fifth Avenue living room. Boteach gave a long speech about Michael being the “most misunderstood” celebrity in the world, said he loved children so much he had mannequins of them in his Neverland bedroom. That revelation went over like a lead balloon.


On February 14, 2001, Time for Kids had its first and only get together, People bought tickets to see Michael, Boteach and assorted celebrities like Johnnie Cochran, Mother Love, Judith Regan, Chuck Woolery and Dr. Drew Pinsky talk about spending more time with children. The event was called “Love, Work, and Parenting: Can You Be a Success in the Bedroom, the Boardroom, and the Family Room?” It was only 70% full. The tickets were $40, $30, and $20.

Michael told the crowd, when he finally spoke: “I’m having trouble finding a date for myself even though Rabbi Shmuley tells me he’s going to find me the perfect woman. And I tell him, as long as it’s not a journalist!” Here’s a transcript of Michael’s speech.

When the accounting for the event finally came in on a Form 990, it showed (I reported then) a total of $203,185 collected from direct public support. At the same time, the charity’s expenses totaled $259,432. All but $20,000 of that was spent on staff salaries and office expenses. No money went to children of any kind.

Listed on the IRS filing were an organization president, secretary and treasurer. The latter two, this reporter discovered after making some calls, were Boteach’s sister and mother. The sister, Ateret Diveroli, repeated exactly what the mother had: “I’m not part of that anymore.”

Mrs. Diveroli insisted to me that her brother was “very honest” and had stopped working with Michael Jackson “because nothing was happening. He wasn’t doing anything.”

That was pretty much it for Michael and Shmuley’s friendship. There was a trip to Oxford a couple of months later, but by June 2001 Jackson’s “Invincible” album came out. In September he performed his 30th anniversary shows. Shmuley was gone. From the time Jackson was arrested in 2003 until his death, Boteach was out of his life. Jackson surely had no memory of making tapes with Boteach, and no desire to have them published.

And yet, Shmuley is back. He will flog his short, unheralded relationship to Michael Jackson for as long as the public — or TV bookers– can bear it. The real kicker: that his publicist sent out press releases yesterday, on Yom Kippur, offering copies of the book and excerpts. While every other rabbi in the world was praying, Shmuley Boteach was busy marketing Michael Jackson for profit. Buyer beware.
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Reply #260 posted 09/30/09 12:17pm

mimi07

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i don't like roger but he's right about this rabbi
"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #261 posted 09/30/09 12:57pm

DesireeNevermi
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Dayum that Schmuley was a ruthless vato! eek
Poor Mikey getting ripped off from the grave...again.
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Reply #262 posted 09/30/09 1:25pm

voyevoda

I still don't get why joe oiled his kids down before the beating?. I find it very disturbing.
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Reply #263 posted 09/30/09 1:40pm

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voyevoda said:

I still don't get why joe oiled his kids down before the beating?. I find it very disturbing.

Apparently the oiling was to make them feel the beatings even more, as if it was not enough to strip them in the first place.
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Reply #264 posted 09/30/09 1:43pm

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voyevoda said:

I still don't get why joe oiled his kids down before the beating?. I find it very disturbing.

so the whip will hurt more i guess
"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #265 posted 09/30/09 2:56pm

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voyevoda said:

I still don't get why joe oiled his kids down before the beating?. I find it very disturbing.



This is the same mofo who said he never beat his kids and that "beatings happened in slave-eray days". He is such a dumb ass and was probably a slave master in his former life.


It's sad because if he had been a loving and unabusive father,,,Mikey might still be with us today. I believe his drug abuse helped him escape physical AND emotional pain.
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Reply #266 posted 09/30/09 3:17pm

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[troll snip - luv4u]
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Reply #267 posted 09/30/09 3:22pm

voyevoda

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[troll snip - luv4u]
What the fuck are u talking about. They were making shit up about him since he was a kid. It got worse after 1985
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Reply #268 posted 09/30/09 3:27pm

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voyevoda said:[quote]

ElectricBlue said:

[troll snip - luv4u]


That's ElectricBlue for ya confused lol
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Reply #269 posted 09/30/09 3:37pm

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ElectricBlue said:

[troll snip - luv4u]




U SERIOUS?? eyepop
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