vainandy said:

Those tapes also provide a valid point about have a status of "celebrity". Not every human being in the entertainment industry can handle being a celebrity as great as others.

PDogz said:

How do you know that? Do you think he´s gonna tell you?

I WANNA KNOW WHO GAVE MJ A BONER if anyone

notice how he cant talk about any woman without talking about kids

PDogz said:

Untrue. Word is he had a wild sexual relationship with LMP. That's been said by many people that were around, including Bryan Loren, and engineers that worked on the HIStory sessions. They said it was clearly evident.

I don't think MJ was gay. I think he had serious trust issues with women, and on some level was very scared of women, but that doesn't make him gay.
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TonyVanDam said:

this is a slight quibble that i have to disagree with here about.

the rabbi tried peddling these tapes at least 4 years ago, during the time of the trial. he was a 'friend' of mj in the early '00s and they had some sort of falling out - some say it was b/c he stole from a charity they were supporting, the rabbi says it was b/c he didn't approve of mj eventually. but i remembered him from the early 00s when he was singing mj's praises on the howard stern show; that's why i was surprised to see him bashing mj in print and on tv later. (i shouldn't have been since cory feldman pulled the exact same shit.)

anyway, i recall that he tried to pimp these tapes into a book a long time ago. he played excerpts on one of the lower end tabloid shows like inside edition, and talked about the book he was writing. i don't know if mj got him to stop then or what b/c nothing came of it. my guess is that no one wanted to publish the book then, but now in the wake of his death, everyone with an mj connection is fair game. still, there doesn't appear to be anything here particularly scandalous; even when you look at the entire quote about madonna, it's absolutely nothing at all. kinda gossipy, but not all that surprising given what we basically know about the two people involved. so yeah, the rabbi has been trying to sell mj out for a while, but it took his death for him to actually profit.

PDogz said:

Untrue. Word is he had a wild sexual relationship with LMP. That's been said by many people that were around, including Bryan Loren, and engineers that worked on the HIStory sessions. They said it was clearly evident.

I don't think MJ was gay. I think he had serious trust issues with women, and on some level was very scared of women, but that doesn't make him gay.
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Those pics of MJ at those get-togethers to "try" and make MJ look normal seem disturbing and somehow kinda insulting to the man, especially this baby right here.
Something was definitely not right with the man when he decided to put on that hat and have that awkward food fight in a grocery store.


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Whether he's cashing in on the tapes or not, I think he showed class and sympathy for not releasing the tapes while Michael Jackson was alive.

He could have easily done so and considering the statements that Michael made about his father's abuse, it would have caused major tension within the Jackson family. Michael already said that he was terrified of his father to this very day and if those tapes had come out while he was alive, he would have been petrified to even be around his father. And even if he cut all contact off with his father (which is what he should have done right after he made his own money with "Off The Wall"), then his siblings may have turned against him and possibly his mother too, which he absolutely adored.

Whether this man is cashing in or not, it's good that he's releasing these tapes after Michael Jackson's death. Michael isn't alive any more so they can't hurt him now. If anything, they will help the public understand why he became so messed up and people will have more sympathy for him rather than disgust.

I know I've become much more sympathetic for him after his death by simply seeing what type of uncaring asshole of a father he had who was trying to promote his new business ventures only days after his son's death. That right there alone helped me to understand Michael better and these tapes really make me feel sorry for him. And since Joe was such an abusive, uncaring, lowdown asshole, he deserves the backlash these tapes will bring to him.

Those pics of MJ at those get-togethers to "try" and make MJ look normal seem disturbing and somehow kinda insulting to the man, especially this baby right here.
Something was definitely not right with the man when he decided to put on that hat and have that awkward food fight in a grocery store.

violetblues said:

WTF are you talking about, he was fine here, quite funny and very normal. Ugh, people always finding something in nothing...

purplesweat said:

jaaahh ok
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purplesweat said:

No, it's not. Clearly, Mike didn't want them released otherwise he would've done so when he was alive. So now that the man cannot defend himself or disallow their releasing, Mr Rabbi has gone ahead and got his 15 mins and $$$$$.

Maybe in a world where the media is fair. The only thing the media has focused on so far about the tapes is the Hitler part of the discussion, basically twisting the meaning to make him look like a Hitler supporter. THAT is why you don't release stuff like this, ESPECIALLY when the man cannot defend or explain himself.

Well, clearly, you didn't listen to many Mike interviews before this because I've heard most of this stuff 1000 times before.

Of course he wouldn't have wanted them released while he was alive. He would have to answer to his father who he was deathly afraid of. And other than Michael having to answer to his father, what's in there for him to defend? Isn't it on tape in his voice? Is not like it's in print and someone could have made it up. Did he lie about the abuse? I don't think he lied so what's there for him to defend? Everything negative he said was about his father, not himself. I would think that Michael Jackson fans would want to see a backlash against the man who beat Michael for years.

And as for making money off the tapes, hell, why not? Yeah, he could release them for free but considering that the media is willing to pay big money for it, he'd be a damn fool to give them the tapes for free. I'd sell the damn things myself if they were mine.




I must have missed the Hitler part of the interview since I skimmed through a lot of it and only read the parts I considered interesting. But as far as the media goes, this thread is the only place I've heard about the tapes and I watch the news channels almost every night.




Yeah, I've heard Michael say in both the Oprah and the Bashir interviews that his father "beat him" and didn't really go into a lot of detail about it other than he hit him, or he whippped him with the belt, or he threw him up against the wall. Well, hell that just leaves the door wide open for Joe to come in and say...."Well, all I was doing was disciplining him with the belt"....like most normal people do who aren't abusing children. This is the first time I've heard about the stripping naked and the oil rubs before the beatings. And the fact that Michael said it on the tape himself and it wasn't hearsay, there's no way for Joe to weasel out of it and escape the backlash.

I just don't get it. I would think that Michael Jackson fans would want Joe to catch hell for beating Michael but instead they don't want the info to get out to the public. Well, with fans like that, I guess he didn't need enemies.

bboy87 said:

Who is he? I've never heard of him.

The rabbi heads an organization called This World: The Values Network, which seeks to bring Jewish values to mainstream American culture

Michael Jackson's 'rabbi'


As a rabbi of over 30 years experience, I was both appalled and disappointed in the story by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach concerning his friendship with and impressions of Michael Jackson. In so many ways, Rabbi Boteach crossed over the line of propriety and professional ethics.

Rabbis along with other clergy, along with the practitioners of all the helping professions, are bound by definite rules of confidentiality. It is precisely this rule which enables us to assist people who depend upon us to preserve the sacred bond of trust. What we discuss or experience with people who seek our assistance are meant to be kept absolutely private.

There are no exceptions. In fact, physicians and lawyers who violate this trust lose their licenses to practice should their breach of confidence be discovered. Even when those that we have counseled or befriended are no longer living, the same rule applies.

It is only because of this assurance of total confidence that people feel they can be open with us. All of us in these professions also understand that there is no real difference between professional and personal connections. The things we learn or observe in our personal relations are just as sacrosanct.

I have had numerous experiences with well known people but I have never spoken and certainly would never write about these experiences for two reasons. First, it would violate the trust of these individuals who believed they could be open and candid with me. Second, it would severely curtail my ability to be of help to others since they would feel that I was not trustworthy.

When Rabbi Boteach spoke publicly and also wrote about his experiences with Michael Jackson, he did serious harm to all rabbis and other clergy as well. No doubt Rabbi Boteach felt he was advancing his own career and public profile as the "rabbi to the stars."

Perhaps he has, but at the expense of his own trustworthiness and also that of other rabbis. I also must wonder what kind of friend he really was for him now to exploit Mr. Jackson's tragic death with grandstanding.

Rabbi Boteach should have given more thought to the serious damage he was doing. As he must know, he also violated several of the sacred principles of our Jewish religion which specifically prohibit tale-bearing (even when the tales may be true), gossip, and "lashon ha-ra" (meaning evil speech).

Rabbi Michael Sternfield, Chicago Sinai Congregation

http://www.chicagojewishnews.com/story.htm?sid=8&id=253140

http://www.chicagojewishnews.com/story.htm?sid=8&id=253140

This is yet another so-called friend cashing in. I will believe that MJ consented to this publication when I see his signature on a contract.

This guy billed himself as Mike's "spiritual advisor" during their friendship. I would think that an ordained Rabbi should keep some things confidential even after the death of the person they supposedly advised in a spiritual capacity.

This is highly unethical and I hope the estate sues the crap out of this charlatan.

the rabbi guy is going to be on larry king live tonight

mimi07 said:

Please anybody that has a mind, do NOT watch Larry King anymore.

The senile man's trying to stay on the air.

For an old dude, Larry King is awesome. ( Larry already acknowledged this is his last season buy the way)

Just cause people feel let down by their "king", no need to take it out on the world.

Regardless of WHO taped the stuff, what it boils down to is, MJ in his own words, expressing his own thoughts.

Nobody told him to say the nutty things he says. Whether it was the meds talking or not, or the effects of a dysfunctional family environment, MJ was pretty fucked up in the head the poor guy.
There is no need to try and defend it, but rather understand it as psychological disorders, and move on from there. You guys and we as a society will be the better for it.

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violetblues said:

could you stop being so fuckin condensing and rude. really? Entitled to your own opinion but really watch your tone.

mimi07 said:

Please anybody that has a mind, do NOT watch Larry King anymore.

The senile man's trying to stay on the air.

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

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For an old dude, Larry King is awesome. ( Larry already acknowledged this is his last season by the way)

Just cause people feel let down by their "king", no need to take it out on the world.

Regardless of WHO taped the stuff, what it boils down to is, MJ in his own words, expressing his own thoughts.

Nobody told him to say the nutty things he says. Whether it was the meds talking or not, or the effects of a dysfunctional family environment, MJ was pretty fucked up in the head the poor guy.
There is no need to try and defend it, but rather understand it as psychological disorders, and move on from there. You guys and we as a society will be the better for it.

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