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PrintableSo of the women you've dated, the ones who were smart enough not to throw themselves at you, were they the ones that you were more interested in, the ones who were'nt always available and you had to chase them abit?
MJ: The ones who were classy and quiet and not into all the sex all the craziness because I am not into that. They are the ones you are more interested in? MJ: Aha. I don't understand a lot of things that go on in relationships and I don't know if I ever will. I think that is what has hurt me in my reltionships because I don't understand how people do some of the things they do. Mean things MJ: Mean things and vulgar things with their bodies. I don't understand it and it has hurt my relationships. So for you love is something very pure? MJ: Very pure. It shocked me some of the things. What was it about Diana, that kind of woman, her dignity that kind of innocence? Do you see that often in people where they have a regal bearing to them? MJ: Nom we don't see it and that's what I love. I think she truly cared about people's feelings and really tried to make the world a better place. I really believe that her heart was out for other people. You could see it in some of the photos where she is touching those little baby's faces and they are sitting on her lap and she would be holding them. That's not faked. You could see it. When you see come out she has got these gloves on and she is waving from a distance, you can see the heart. You can see. You put your money where your mouth is and you go in those huts and ho in those ditches and sit with them and sleep there. That's doing it, that's what I do. Remember when you said you saw my picture in China in some hut, some lady's hut. I go there and I touch the people and I see them. *skips down* Have you ever met a woman like that who loves the same those same things, who'd play hide and sek with you, who'd love the water fights with you? MJ: Not yet. The ones I have had are jealous of the children. All of them. The get jealous of their own kids and start competing with them. That rubs me in a bad way. *skips down* Have you ever found girls who like practical jokes that you like? Have you ever found a woman who collects comics? MJ: It is a rarity. If I find one I will go nuts. Especially, if she has those qualities and is beautiful inside. It would be a home run for me. That's why guys hang out. Because they can do that. | |
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StillDirrty said: So of the women you've dated, the ones who were smart enough not to throw themselves at you, were they the ones that you were more interested in, the ones who were'nt always available and you had to chase them abit?
MJ: The ones who were classy and quiet and not into all the sex all the craziness because I am not into that. They are the ones you are more interested in? MJ: Aha. I don't understand a lot of things that go on in relationships and I don't know if I ever will. I think that is what has hurt me in my reltionships because I don't understand how people do some of the things they do. Mean things MJ: Mean things and vulgar things with their bodies. I don't understand it and it has hurt my relationships. So for you love is something very pure? MJ: Very pure. It shocked me some of the things. What was it about Diana, that kind of woman, her dignity that kind of innocence? Do you see that often in people where they have a regal bearing to them? MJ: Nom we don't see it and that's what I love. I think she truly cared about people's feelings and really tried to make the world a better place. I really believe that her heart was out for other people. You could see it in some of the photos where she is touching those little baby's faces and they are sitting on her lap and she would be holding them. That's not faked. You could see it. When you see come out she has got these gloves on and she is waving from a distance, you can see the heart. You can see. You put your money where your mouth is and you go in those huts and ho in those ditches and sit with them and sleep there. That's doing it, that's what I do. Remember when you said you saw my picture in China in some hut, some lady's hut. I go there and I touch the people and I see them. *skips down* Have you ever met a woman like that who loves the same those same things, who'd play hide and sek with you, who'd love the water fights with you? MJ: Not yet. The ones I have had are jealous of the children. All of them. The get jealous of their own kids and start competing with them. That rubs me in a bad way. *skips down* Have you ever found girls who like practical jokes that you like? Have you ever found a woman who collects comics? MJ: It is a rarity. If I find one I will go nuts. Especially, if she has those qualities and is beautiful inside. It would be a home run for me. That's why guys hang out. Because they can do that. Michael revealed a lot in these tapes. I had to be honest I was shocked by how "real" he was. Something the Bashit and Harpo interviews didn't even show.  | |
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StillDirrty said: So of the women you've dated, the ones who were smart enough not to throw themselves at you, were they the ones that you were more interested in, the ones who were'nt always available and you had to chase them abit?
MJ: The ones who were classy and quiet and not into all the sex all the craziness because I am not into that. They are the ones you are more interested in? MJ: Aha. I don't understand a lot of things that go on in relationships and I don't know if I ever will. I think that is what has hurt me in my reltionships because I don't understand how people do some of the things they do. Mean things MJ: Mean things and vulgar things with their bodies. I don't understand it and it has hurt my relationships. So for you love is something very pure? MJ: Very pure. It shocked me some of the things. What was it about Diana, that kind of woman, her dignity that kind of innocence? Do you see that often in people where they have a regal bearing to them? MJ: Nom we don't see it and that's what I love. I think she truly cared about people's feelings and really tried to make the world a better place. I really believe that her heart was out for other people. You could see it in some of the photos where she is touching those little baby's faces and they are sitting on her lap and she would be holding them. That's not faked. You could see it. When you see come out she has got these gloves on and she is waving from a distance, you can see the heart. You can see. You put your money where your mouth is and you go in those huts and ho in those ditches and sit with them and sleep there. That's doing it, that's what I do. Remember when you said you saw my picture in China in some hut, some lady's hut. I go there and I touch the people and I see them. *skips down* Have you ever met a woman like that who loves the same those same things, who'd play hide and sek with you, who'd love the water fights with you? MJ: Not yet. The ones I have had are jealous of the children. All of them. The get jealous of their own kids and start competing with them. That rubs me in a bad way. *skips down* Have you ever found girls who like practical jokes that you like? Have you ever found a woman who collects comics? MJ: It is a rarity. If I find one I will go nuts. Especially, if she has those qualities and is beautiful inside. It would be a home run for me. That's why guys hang out. Because they can do that.  i wish he would have found someone
madonna sounds like a b**ch, well she used to be "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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Listening to this interview and reading the transcripts, I really enjoyed the parts in Michael is taking about race. He really broke it down when he was talking about "them" being jealous because white girls were scream for him, and he was the first Black artist to do this, so they came up with all of those rumors.
Whoever said Michael didn't want to be Black is full of shit, he wasn't stupid, nor was he one of those stuck-up rich Black people who forgot where he came from, he knew what was going on. He may have hated the way he looked but it had nothing to do with being Black, he damn sure didn't want to be White. | |
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thatruth said: Listening to this interview and reading the transcripts, I really enjoyed the parts in Michael is taking about race. He really broke it down when he was talking about "them" being jealous because white girls were scream for him, and he was the first Black artist to do this, so they came up with all of those rumors.
Whoever said Michael didn't want to be Black is full of shit, he wasn't stupid, nor was he one of those stuck-up rich Black people who forgot where he came from, he knew what was going on. He may have hated the way he looked but it had nothing to do with being Black, he damn sure didn't want to be White. i agree "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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thatruth said: Listening to this interview and reading the transcripts, I really enjoyed the parts in Michael is taking about race. He really broke it down when he was talking about "them" being jealous because white girls were scream for him, and he was the first Black artist to do this, so they came up with all of those rumors.
Whoever said Michael didn't want to be Black is full of shit, he wasn't stupid, nor was he one of those stuck-up rich Black people who forgot where he came from, he knew what was going on. He may have hated the way he looked but it had nothing to do with being Black, he damn sure didn't want to be White. Yeah Michael just had low self esteem, nothing with him not wanting to be black. I NEVER believed it. | |
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In trying to preserve your childlike qualities in your life Michael, you have shied away form talking about overt sexuality. Like when Oprah asked yout about your sex life, you repsonded something to the effect, " that I'm a gentleman I don't talk about that." Do you feel that we should be more respectful of the sexual side of our lives? Has it all become to overt? I mean you're naturally shy about this.
MJ: Yeah, I'm just naturally, um cause I think that's... Private MJ: Yeah, that's my personal opinion. Other people who are exhibitionist, you know naturists, who go out nude and they feel different about it. Um, I don't know, I'm different in that way. We don't have to misuse our sexuality to increase ticket sales and record sales? MJ: No, that's crazy, like some singers who put bulges in their pants, that's crazy. I don't understand that. That's like disgusting to me when they do stuff like that. That's embarrassing. I dont want nobody to even look at me down....like looking for that. That would just embarrass me so bad, oh God. MJ: When Janet went through her fat stage she cried alot, my sister Janet. She decided to just lose it all, "I'm gonna lose this," and she did it. She was very unhappy.
Shmuley: Are you very protective over her as a younger sister? MJ: Yeah I was determined to make her lose weight. I was bad. Iwould tease her to make her lose it. I didn't like it on her. I didn't like it because I knew she would have a hard time. Shmuley: How did you get her to do something about it? MJ: I said you have to lose weight "cause you look like a FAT COW" I would tell her and that was mean of me to say that was mean of me to say that. She would say, "Shut up," and I'd say "You shut up." | |
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 I heard that she's going to be on Letterman tomorrow.
MJ: how would you like getting a phone call and she is telling you that she is putting her fingers between her legs. I would say, "oh madonna, please." She said, "what I want you to do when I hang up the phone is to rub yourself and think of me." That's the kind of stuff she says. She does. When I see her she says "This is the finger I used last night." Wild, out of control. | |
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& apparently.
He talks about the Clinton Lewinsky scandal and he comments how one woman did so much pain to this president. Look what she caused. He blamed Barbara Walters for putting it on tv so much that he canceled an interview with her. [Edited 9/27/09 21:30pm] | |
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StillDirrty said: In trying to preserve your childlike qualities in your life Michael, you have shied away form talking about overt sexuality. Like when Oprah asked yout about your sex life, you repsonded something to the effect, " that I'm a gentleman I don't talk about that." Do you feel that we should be more respectful of the sexual side of our lives? Has it all become to overt? I mean you're naturally shy about this.
MJ: Yeah, I'm just naturally, um cause I think that's... Private MJ: Yeah, that's my personal opinion. Other people who are exhibitionist, you know naturists, who go out nude and they feel different about it. Um, I don't know, I'm different in that way. We don't have to misuse our sexuality to increase ticket sales and record sales? MJ: No, that's crazy, like some singers who put bulges in their pants, that's crazy. I don't understand that. That's like disgusting to me when they do stuff like that. That's embarrassing. I dont want nobody to even look at me down....like looking for that. That would just embarrass me so bad, oh God. MJ: When Janet went through her fat stage she cried alot, my sister Janet. She decided to just lose it all, "I'm gonna lose this," and she did it. She was very unhappy.
Shmuley: Are you very protective over her as a younger sister? MJ: Yeah I was determined to make her lose weight. I was bad. Iwould tease her to make her lose it. I didn't like it on her. I didn't like it because I knew she would have a hard time. Shmuley: How did you get her to do something about it? MJ: I said you have to lose weight "cause you look like a FAT COW" I would tell her and that was mean of me to say that was mean of me to say that. She would say, "Shut up," and I'd say "You shut up." Speaking in general not about MJ but how is calling your sister a fat cow gonna help her lose weight, that ain't right, lol | |
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StillDirrty said:[quote] In trying to preserve your childlike qualities in your life Michael, you have shied away form talking about overt sexuality. Like when Oprah asked yout about your sex life, you repsonded something to the effect, " that I'm a gentleman I don't talk about that." Do you feel that we should be more respectful of the sexual side of our lives? Has it all become to overt? I mean you're naturally shy about this.
MJ: Yeah, I'm just naturally, um cause I think that's... Private MJ: Yeah, that's my personal opinion. Other people who are exhibitionist, you know naturists, who go out nude and they feel different about it. Um, I don't know, I'm different in that way. We don't have to misuse our sexuality to increase ticket sales and record sales? MJ: No, that's crazy, like some singers who put bulges in their pants, that's crazy. I don't understand that. That's like disgusting to me when they do stuff like that. That's embarrassing. I dont want nobody to even look at me down....like looking for that. That would just embarrass me so bad, oh God. *cue gold pants thread* this just baffles me. he had sex with lmp and she seems like she'd be really kinky.  | |
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StillDirrty said: I heard that she's going to be on Letterman tomorrow.
MJ: how would you like getting a phone call and she is telling you that she is putting her fingers between her legs. I would say, "oh madonna, please." She said, "what I want you to do when I hang up the phone is to rub yourself and think of me." That's the kind of stuff she says. She does. When I see her she says "This is the finger I used last night." Wild, out of control. ahahaha | |
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StillDirrty said: I heard that she's going to be on Letterman tomorrow.
MJ: how would you like getting a phone call and she is telling you that she is putting her fingers between her legs. I would say, "oh madonna, please." She said, "what I want you to do when I hang up the phone is to rub yourself and think of me." That's the kind of stuff she says. She does. When I see her she says "This is the finger I used last night." Wild, out of control. horny ass madonna"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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shes just picking on him
it's funny b/c hes the supposed prankster yet he can't joke about sex | |
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StillDirrty said: & apparently.
He talks about the Clinton Lewinsky scandal and he comments how one woman did so much pain to this president. Look what she caused. He blamed Barbara Walters for putting it on tv so much that he canceled an interview with her.
[Edited 9/27/09 21:30pm] weird interpretation no? | |
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MJ: she (Madonna) did a lot of crazy things and that's how that went. I knew we had nothing in common. But I am pretty sure that having a baby has to change you. I don't know how much she has changed. I'm sure she is a better person than before. She is not sexy at all. I think sexy comes from the heart in the way you present yourself.
S Boteach: Have you ever found women who are a bit more modest to be more attractive for that reason? MJ: Yeah. I don't like womenwho are always saying, "My nails need to be done. I have to do my toes. I need a manicure." I hate all that. I lke it whe girls are a little bit more tomboyish. IF they wrestle, climb a tree..... I love that. It is sexier to me. I like class, though. Class is everything. This is about Elizabeth Taylor Michael talks about her in the book and calls her childlike too. They would call each other up and talk in whiny voices saying I need you. Oh I need you too. He described their relationships like brother and sister, mother and son, lovers.
He said she adored him and would do anything for him. When asked if he is jealous of her relationships he said, " Yes and no." He said if they ever did anything romantically the press would label them the odd couple and would say mean and nasty things. " It's none of their business what we have together." " I have to be with people like me." Some rappers will say let's hang out at a club. And I'll say What? Let's hang? "I don't think so." That kind of thing is not a party for me. | |
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thanks stilldirty!
i wish could hear these tapes myself "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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StillDirrty said: MJ: she (Madonna) did a lot of crazy things and that's how that went. I knew we had nothing in common. But I am pretty sure that having a baby has to change you. I don't know how much she has changed. I'm sure she is a better person than before. She is not sexy at all. I think sexy comes from the heart in the way you present yourself.
S Boteach: Have you ever found women who are a bit more modest to be more attractive for that reason? MJ: Yeah. I don't like womenwho are always saying, "My nails need to be done. I have to do my toes. I need a manicure." I hate all that. I like it when girls are a little bit more tomboyish. IF they wrestle, climb a tree..... I love that. It is sexier to me. I like class, though. Class is everything. This is about Elizabeth Taylor Michael talks about her in the book and calls her childlike too. They would call each other up and talk in whiny voices saying I need you. Oh I need you too. He described their relationships like brother and sister, mother and son, lovers.
He said she adored him and would do anything for him. When asked if he is jealous of her relationships he said, " Yes and no." He said if they ever did anything romantically the press would label them the odd couple and would say mean and nasty things. " It's none of their business what we have together." " I have to be with people like me." Some rappers will say let's hang out at a club. And I'll say What? Let's hang? "I don't think so." That kind of thing is not a party for me. Maybe that was one of the reasons he and Janet were so close, he probably wanted someone like his kid sister.  | |
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This could be about Tatiana.
MJ: That's why it's my job to cast the girl, because it' my job to think they are cute. So I can do that if I really like them, like some of the girls you see in my videos. I have cast them because I really like them and it caused a problem afterwards because they start to really like me, and I don't want to get that serious, and it becomes a problem sometimes.
*skips down* So how often do you find that women really get clingy? MJ: What do you mean? Like you said, it supposed to be a professional thing. You just film something with a femal costar but afterwards they become attached. MJ: Yes it happens. How do you break the news to them that you don't reciprocate? MJ: When they see me running the other way. Yeah. Some of them follow me around the world and it's hard. That probably makes them chase you even more because they probably are drawn to that boyish shyness. To be sure, many women like "bad" boys. But for the same reason, a lot like shy guys. In the same way the believe that they can redeem the bad boy and polish up this coarse diamond, they believe the same thing about the shy guy. They think, " Only I can bring him out of his shell." But I guess for a while with you running halfway around the world from them, they get the message. But you never tell them directly? MJ: No, because it would hurt them too much. | |
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StillDirrty said: This could be about Tatiana.
MJ: That's why it's my job to cast the girl, because it' my job to think they are cute. So I can do that if I really like them, like some of the girls you see in my videos. I have cast them because I really like them and it caused a problem afterwards because they start to really like me, and I don't want to get that serious, and it becomes a problem sometimes.
*skips down* So how often do you find that women really get clingy? MJ: What do you mean? Like you said, it supposed to be a professional thing. You just film something with a femal costar but afterwards they become attached. MJ: Yes it happens. How do you break the news to them that you don't reciprocate? MJ: When they see me running the other way. Yeah. Some of them follow me around the world and it's hard. That probably makes them chase you even more because they probably are drawn to that boyish shyness. To be sure, many women like "bad" boys. But for the same reason, a lot like shy guys. In the same way the believe that they can redeem the bad boy and polish up this coarse diamond, they believe the same thing about the shy guy. They think, " Only I can bring him out of his shell." But I guess for a while with you running halfway around the world from them, they get the message. But you never tell them directly? MJ: No, because it would hurt them too much. i think this is about tatiana as well. girl is STILL sppring. she wrote a lil while ago that she'll always love michael and he was the love of her life 
they were cute tho...maybe if she wasn't so clingy "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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mimi07 said: StillDirrty said: This could be about Tatiana.
i think this is about tatiana as well. girl is STILL sppring. she wrote a lil while ago that she'll always love michael and he was the love of her life
they were cute tho...maybe if she wasn't so clingy I never got her looks. To me she looked like a mixed race Paris Hilton. | |
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Arnotts said: mimi07 said: i think this is about tatiana as well. girl is STILL sppring. she wrote a lil while ago that she'll always love michael and he was the love of her life
they were cute tho...maybe if she wasn't so clingy I never got her looks. To me she looked like a mixed race Paris Hilton. yeah i always thought she was biracial, pretty girl i remember reading once she said michael and her were out in town and he asked to borrow her powder and she never got it back
 kiss that cost her her job
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OMG, thanks for all that. Finally we´ve heard MIke talking about things he never did before....  "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dearmother said:[quote] StillDirrty said: In trying to preserve your childlike qualities in your life Michael, you have shied away form talking about overt sexuality. Like when Oprah asked yout about your sex life, you repsonded something to the effect, " that I'm a gentleman I don't talk about that." Do you feel that we should be more respectful of the sexual side of our lives? Has it all become to overt? I mean you're naturally shy about this.
MJ: Yeah, I'm just naturally, um cause I think that's... Private MJ: Yeah, that's my personal opinion. Other people who are exhibitionist, you know naturists, who go out nude and they feel different about it. Um, I don't know, I'm different in that way. We don't have to misuse our sexuality to increase ticket sales and record sales? MJ: No, that's crazy, like some singers who put bulges in their pants, that's crazy. I don't understand that. That's like disgusting to me when they do stuff like that. That's embarrassing. I dont want nobody to even look at me down....like looking for that. That would just embarrass me so bad, oh God. *cue gold pants thread* this just baffles me. he had sex with lmp and she seems like she'd be really kinky. Exactly. I thought the same thing. I mean Karen once said that she asked him if he "knew" about them and that he went all red and said he did.
And even his dance itself was quite nasty. Hasn´t he seen himself? [Edited 9/28/09 0:53am] "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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mimi07 said: Arnotts said: I never got her looks. To me she looked like a mixed race Paris Hilton. yeah i always thought she was biracial, pretty girl i remember reading once she said michael and her were out in town and he asked to borrow her powder and she never got it back
kiss that cost her her job
She's beautiful!  It's shocking that Michael would marry a cow like Debbie Rowe,when he could have had this beautiful,lovely woman (who admitted that she was in love in with him). | |
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Fuck this "rabbi". What kind of holy man tapes a conversation with his friend then waits for the 3 month anniversary of his death to release them and do publicity rounds? Why didn't he release them when Mike was alive? | |
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Madonna really is dirty, isn't she? | |
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These tapes are kinda disturbing They paint a picture of a person who had alot of "issues" that needed to be dealt with.Michael comes across as overly paranoid and out of touch with reality.He had a massive ego,too.
He mentions that he wanted to date Princess Di and even considered dating Elizabeth Taylor too  It's obvious that he was incapable of having a real romantic relationship with any woman.It's sad that he had to put on this 'act'. | |
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vainandy said: But it was a strip club where drag queens were stripping. She could obviously see he was gay but she went about it the wrong way. Hell, he was damn near a drag queen himself so the last thing he would want to see is something that looks like a woman stripping. Hell, that would be dyking.
She should have just tried to have taken him to a normal gay club and not even let on that she might think he's gay himself. They could just go to be "exploring" different nightlife. Once he got in there and some good looking grown men approached him, he might turn them down the first few times but I guarantee you, he would have eventually have given in. And once he got some good grown dick, he would have kicked Disneyland, the kids, and his father completely to the curb.
It's very apparent that he was gay but he would never come out of the closet or even admit it to himself because he was scared to death of his father, even as an adult.And that's not even getting into to that religion he was a part of. Madonna could have really turned him out but she went about it totally wrong. Madonna knew that Michael was gay.She even had this idea that he should hang out with her gay dancers.She felt that he was living in a box,afraid to 'come out' and be who he really is.You're right,she may have went about it the wrong way..lol...I think she scared him a little bit,lol.She was aggressive about it. | |
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