God I miss real music.




Lyrics...soul...feeling...no autotune...WTF happened???

A few things:

1. Nirvana killed rock. What used to be about partying and having a good time became about how much life sucks
2. Paul Reed Smith killed the electric guitar sound. His guitars were/are perfect for numbnuts that can only play in drop-D tuning on the top two strings, with maximum distortion and absolutely no rhythmic strumming
3. Rap killed funk and R&B
4. MTV killed real performing, putting the emphasis on stuff that can't be re-created live. So, no one worked on their live shows, they put all their effort into videos and lip-synching
5. Then, time worked its evil. At least two generation have been raised on shitty music in which NO ONE builds upon the past in any real musical way. Kids don't learn chords, guitarists don't learn how to strum, no one has any idea how to create a melody. There's just no one challenging themselves to see if they can be better musically than the people that came before them
6. Last but not least, the Internet hasn't helped. Any yahoo with a mic now is selling their crap in iTunes. Sure, there ARE good musicians out there, but how can they stand out among the 15,635,926 wanna-be rappers and Green Days on YouTube?

And, unfortunately, the public eats it all up.

RodeoSchro said:

Sooo sad, but true!!
Kurt Cobain was talented, the whole Nirvana thing was good... But they kinda opened the door for that whole Emo Rockers shit...
Rap, especially that gangsta shit hop killed the whole black music genre, be it R&B, soul or whatever... misoginy, praising violence and that fucking so-called "street cred" and "edge" killed the music coming from the soul, and "sensitive" (I really miss those "feminine" black artists from the 80s...)

RodeoSchro said:

Why you up here, blaming everyone but the record companies, the crap don't get out unless they ok it....your post has no merit to it sorry.

LondonStyle said:

Mr.Dollar Bill is the MAIN objective when it comes to record company, always has and always will.

Its just happens that nowadays, they could get away with it with lil' or no talent involved.

While we're at it, people/consumers share a BIG part of this mess as well.

RodeoSchro said:

All good point but u left out 2 important aspects.
1. The consumer supports this non-sense.
2. The record company and their policies toward artists.

If christians are right about the content of their holy book and it is to be taken as it is, Rick is now probably in hell.

The Noisettes are pretty close. Check my posting.

You mean, people who perform such cheesy, watered down disco-ballads?

Get a fuckin grip please.

Record labels and consumers continuing buying material that some think suck, lol, are mainly to blame. But the TALENT is there still. Just not promoted.

RodeoSchro said:

I've never heard that one before!

you mean like the most famous PRS player?



Who else can even afford one?

now, if you'd said Jackson...

I would trace the modern music recession to the time when MTV decided that Britney & the Backstreet Boys would be their new areas of focus, rather than decent bands playing on Unplugged.

Its not so much labels the fact of the matter is that MUSIC is not relevant to people in the masses anymore. Its the "fries" with your MEAL when MUSIC used to be your MEAL. Its that simple, its not the talent, shit Ashley Tisdale is just as good or better than Debbie Gibson and yet people do threads on Debbie Gibson here, (thats just an example, but you get the point). Radio also is a big blame, what used to be 50-75 song playlists are now narrowed to 15-20, thats huge, that means you the listener (if you are) are being ZOMBIFIED by the same 15 songs and styles nonstop 24/7. And sorry but the NET is not this fucking well of greatness that people say, its just a big fucking label with just as much trash to sift through, so enough with this "the great net" talk.

But to touch on what was said earlier those points are also FACTS.

When soundscan and what you sell week one became all we cared about, thats when things started to slip and the diversity of what you would be hearing and seeing became narrowed.

When it became selling a "product" and not your album, and SORRY but they all are guilty of this, everyone is harping a fragrance a book a clothing line some sort of juice some sort of candy u name it.

When MEDIA became the way, there are no more music stars, u are now a MEDIA star, fuck the music.

Also there is this PHONY idea going around that we are in some way more liberal with our musical tastes and things are blending more now. BULLSHIT, we are more labeled and in our own categories now than back in the 60-80's. A playlist now could never be what it was. You will never have the variety of Hall and Oates,Eurythmics,Lionel,MJ,Prince,Madonna and Kool and the Gang and the Police are getting spins in the same hour. Now it would be the oldie hour, the pop hour, the rb hour and then a hip hop hour.

Everything added together equals the problem, and who will survive, well, like they say, the strongest will always survive, that being the U2's the Jovis the Elton's etc...the cats that can pack a show sell a record in their 50's. Longevity is the only way, so if you have a 360 deal, start looking for a fragrance to sell quick, because you are the FRIES.

The talent is still there, as it always was.

Record companies are commercial enterprises going for the biggest sales. But that is nothing new. It something that has been going on since the fifties.

The problem is that people keep focussing on the 'artists' that are in the top 40, scoring hits, shown on Perez Hilton site. Obsessed with the idea that what is popular should be 'good'.

The music that sells a lot is often fabricated through formulas, 'cleverly' marketed, trying to appeal to what is 'hip' on the surface. Its COMMERCE, why should you ask more from it?

Why keep your focus on those 'commercial constructs' when there are dozens and dozens of less selling artists doing their thing, not compromising, selling a lot less, but being far more authentic (and rewarding) in their expressions releasing albums?

The hitparade doesnt automatically equal great music. Look beyond it, and you will find lots of great musicians selling less, but with better artistic achievements.

Style over substance is in the top 40, but I think it's always been that way, there was just some substance that was actually viable commercially back then. I'm sure it would be again if the industry decided to diverse itself again.

Talent does get through. Amy Winehouse-no matter your personal opinion of her-managed to break through

it doesnt really matter to me what sounds good to me is just what sounds good to me rather its talent or no talent i dont pay attention to any of that stuff besides record companies and music artists rather they have talent or not these days they arent making a cent off of their music anymore no ones buying anything these days
[Edited 10/1/09 13:20pm]

Timmy84 said:

The industry will break apart it already is mostly there. Artists have caught on that its a done deal, i mean look at how many older artists are leaving labels and putting out stuff on their own sites and such or signing a walmart deal. They dont care about Billboard, WE DO, we cant let it go at all. We say we can, but we see the constant threads about what someone is selling and they we reply " i wish they would sell more", WHO CARES. "Amerie" has a new record out that kicks ass, but its getting and going nowhere chart wise, WHO CARES its a good fucking record once again, but when i post a thread on her, people chime in with "she doesnt sell", and the point is.....? I mean are we that dumb that selling matters? Sure its great to toss around facts and numbers as chat and stuff, but if the album sucks i dont care if Flo-rida has a trillion downloads, who fucking cares, i aint getting the check and neither is he.

scriptgirl said:

It's true, but we're so starved for talent that she's like Eddie Murphy's proverbial Saltine that we mistake for a Ritz.

I like her, too, but she should be just one of dozens of artists with that level of talent, not head & shoulders above 99% of artists on the radio.

There's talent everywhere. Every town has at least ten great bands, get a grip. Delve a bit..

Riverpoet31 said:

Oh right...let me go listen to some Bouncy!

NDRU said:

Although I never really liked her in the first place...

RodeoSchro said:

Nirvana SAVED rock, NIRVANA revitalized rock.

In the 90's, before Nirvana, music was as fresh as a 7-11 hot-dog. Nirvana was a breath of fresh air.

By the time Nirvana came along, Prince sucked, New Jack Swing was everywhere, Whitney Houston and Mariah ruled the airwaves, Hip Hop was represented by Will Smith for gods sakes.

I turned on the Radio one day and "Lithium" was playing, god it felt great to listen to something original on the radio again. I said to myself, who the fuck is this!, the same reaction i had when i first listened to Controversy on the radio.
Music needs game changers, Nirvana was a big-time game changer.

That the industry tried to milk them and saturate the market with clones is another story.

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[Edited 10/1/09 16:15pm]

Riverpoet31 said:

right? i've always hated this song

Riverpoet31 said:

I agree...but the fact that you have to dig so deep to find any real talent is a shame. Not that I don't like doing that, and I do support local bands, but I strain to remember when a song or an artist really made me FEEL that song so far down in my bones the FIRST time I heard it (not the 150th time when I was brainwashed to like it), that I just grieve for a lost art form and wonder there will ever be another artist like Rick, MJ, etc.

InsatiableCream said:

What song?

noimageatall said:

It ain't that it ain't there, it's just that there's folks in the industry that are more focused on noise than anything. You just have to search. There's still great music with melody today but you won't hear it in today's corporate market, nor do I even want them to. Independent is the best thing going right now.

scriptgirl said:

Why do you think that is???

noimageatall said:

Many more real soul singers here and in the UK that would take Whino's lunch singing without hardly trying.