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PrintableOttensen said: DesireeNevermind said:   not my Kathy!!!!!She says they didn't do anything sexual, but damn, the trauma: up until 4:30 she addresses what it was like growing up in that...man, family secrets...  Jeez.  I'm confused. Her parents knew how fucked up he was and they let him near baby Kathy? Fuck whether the pedo word existed...the actions are wrong regardless of what you call it. Grown men just don't wake up one day and become child molesters, often they exhibit this behavior in their teens.  And her mom wanted her to say goodbye to this trashbox on his death bed? Unfuckingbelievable!!! | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Ottensen said: I wonder how easy that would have been if maybe even the moms weren't (or still aren't) in their right heads. I mean the whole mystique connected to the Mamas and the Papas always placed John in an savior-svengali kind of light in that hippy trippy cult-like kind of way that's unique to the 60's. Their stories (like many of the celebritry stories from that era) were an intricate sorrid mess fueled by heroin and black beauties and God knows what else...I'm just trying to imagine what the realities of their daily lives were like compared to what the rest of us experience, and how cognizant we are with ethics, when we are not entrapped by the fortress of fame, influence, yes-people, an endless drug supply etc. I agree but wouldn't they have all ended up just as ruined as Mac? I mean the moms and the other daughters don't have such horrid stories as hers. Somebody somewhere had moments of lucidity and clarity else they'd probablly all be dead or writing their own books of sex with each other and being drugged out of their minds. I think their daily lives must have had some degree of normalcy (sp) and in that vein they could have saved Mac or at least attempted to save her. She honestly sounds like she was all alone in the clutches of this evil step dad. And she still aint right in the head.If I should belive this without any evidence, I also should belive that Michael Jackson rape those childrens. We don't need no courts, just the tabloids!! "I have so much love for Prince. But why don't they look at me that way"- MJ | |
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kibbles said: Ottensen said: Okay...well yay for you that you can break this down into molecules. Bijou is a person that I've actually worked with in my profession and and don't trust anything she says so far as I can throw her because she's crazy as batshit, and that without the inclusion of her own drug usage, God bless her. That being said, having extensive experience doing private community work with heroin addicts and sexual abuse survivors, call me stupid, but witnessing the pathos that exists within these people ( as well as recognizing the ways in which they act out or lie) up close and personal makes me inclined to believe her. Just sayin', that's my opinion. That doesn't go to say that you, however, don't have a right pick this apart as you must and believe whatever you feel is correct. We shall just agree to disagree on this one  no need for you to get salty and insulting. what's up with that? you said that chynna confirmed the incest. she didn't. she didn't witness it, she had no evidence on it. she is simply repeating what mac told her and believes it. which she has every right to do, i didn't say she didn't. further, i merely repeated what i read from the extended quote from bijou at the huff post site that i saw the other day, now gone, the jist of which is she didn't what to believe since mac told her one thing one at one point, and something different the next. under those circumstances, i understand why she and the step mothers, whom mac also retracted her earlier statements from, question whether it is true. it's interesting to me that you give all this 'expert' opinion on the pathos of the drug addicted, and don't trust what bijou has to say...but you trust mac? i'm just saying i don't know who to believe.  For the record, I'm not getting salty, nor am I insulting you. If that's the way you perceive it then I'm sorry you feel that way. Agreeing to disagree with each other isn't usually indicative of an insult, or so I thought. Additionally, please note that I never said anywhere in my previous post that I was an expert on anything. Those are your words, not mine. I was only stating opinions formed on the basis of personal experience , not more, not less...and at the end of the day, we all have experiences or insights that will affect how and why we all feel one way or another about different topics, and that's okay. | |
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Whether Mac's allegations are true or false, she is still a very disturbed woman who has experienced plenty of trauma in her life. If her allegations are lies then one could presume she had enough respect for John to not tarnish and disparage him while he was alive. If the allegations are true, again she had enough respect for him to not tarnish and disparage him while he was alive. It's a win/win for John and I find that very troubling. | |
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SUPRMAN said: TonyVanDam said: There is nothing funny about incest at all. 
Now if we're dissing some rednecks for doing it, THAT's funny!  Shouldn't that be YOU find nothing funny about incest? Hey!  Don't hate on me for mentioning awesomely bad redneck jokes!  | |
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