this is terrible, a father having sex and doing drugs with his daughter. damn

i could never talk about this if i were her, it's shameful

Mackenzie Phillips: I slept with my father


The bombshell that Mackenzie Phillips will drop on Oprah today? She slept with her father.

In her tell-all book, out today, the actress says that her dad, musician John Phillips of the '60s band the Mamas and the Papas, engaged with her in a long-term incestuous relationship.

http://blogs.usatoday.com...rtainment/

She said she got drunk the night before her wedding and fucked her father. From what I gathered, it was a mistake. Knowing how fucked up on drugs that household was I can see the mistake being made. Where did you get this "long term incestuous relationship" quote from?

Mackenzie Phillips: I slept with my father


The bombshell that Mackenzie Phillips will drop on Oprah today? She slept with her father.

In her tell-all book, out today, the actress says that her dad, musician John Phillips of the '60s band the Mamas and the Papas, engaged with her in a long-term incestuous relationship.

http://blogs.usatoday.com...rtainment/

Chynna and Michelle Phillips React To Mackenzie Phillips Incest Bombshell
September 2009




Former child star Mackenzie Phillips said Wednesday that she maintained a sexual relationship with her father, John Phillips of acclaimed '60s vocal group The Mamas and the Papas, for more than a decade. According to a report in People magazine, Phillips, now 49, was 19 years old when she was raped by her father on the night before her wedding.

"I woke up that night from a blackout to find myself having sex with my own father," she writes in her memoir, "High On Arrival," which was released today.

In an interview that aired on the Oprah Winfrey Show Wednesday, Philips said the relationship became "consensual" and lasted for nearly a decade, until she became pregnant. Philips also told Winfrey that her father, who died in 2001, introduced her to drugs at the age of 11, teaching her how to roll joints and injecting her with cocaine. She has since been in and out of rehab, and was arrested for drug possession in 2008.

Phillips' family -- which includes former stepmother and Mamas and Papas member Michelle Phillips and half-sister Chynna Phillips of the 1990's trio Wilson Phillips -- had mixed reactions to the accusations.

In a conversation with Hollywood Reporter columnist Roger Friedman, Michelle Phillips said, "John was a bad parent, and a drug addict. But [expletive deleted] his daughter? If she thinks it's true, why isn't she with a good psychiatrist on a couch? I think it's unconscionable that Oprah would let her do her show. I have every reason to believe it's untrue. Oprah should be more judicious about who she has on her show."

On the broadcast, Winfrey read a statement from Genevieve Waite, John Phillips' wife at the time of the alleged abuse and Mackenzie's stepmother that said he was "incapable, no matter how drunk or drugged he was, of having such a relationship with his own child."

But Chynna supports her half-sister's version of events, and even claims to have known about the abuse since 1997 after a shocking phone call from Mackenzie.

"She said, 'I don't know why, but I just really felt the need to call you and tell you something that I think you need to know,'" Chynna told Us Weekly. "And she went on to tell me that she had had an incestuous relationship with our dad for about 10 years.

"Somebody could have dropped a piano on my head and I probably wouldn't have felt it," she continued. "But I knew it was true. I mean, who in their right mind would make such a claim if it wasn't true?"

Michelle and John Phillips were half of the Mamas and the Papas, along with Cass Elliott and Denny Doherty. The group's songs included hits like "Calfornia Dreamin'," "Monday Monday," and "I Saw Her Again Last Night." Mackenzie was born before the group formed in 1965.






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I can understand both stepmothers claiming the story is false because think about it, if they were to believe that this really happened then imagine the guilt they would feel for not knowing and putting a stop to it. Very sad.

On the other side, Michelle does have the reputation as being tough as nails when it comes to the Mamas and Papas brand. In my own mind I would imagine that she may not have known entirely about the incest, but even more than that she's going to protect the legacy of that brand, period. This is the kind of tarnish that can be so easily shrugged off as "well, it was the 70's"...

She said she got drunk the night before her wedding and fucked her father. From what I gathered, it was a mistake. Knowing how fucked up on drugs that household was I can see the mistake being made. Where did you get this "long term incestuous relationship" quote from?

He must have had a hell of a dick if she continued sleeping with him willingly.

Like I said..."where the hell was her momma!!" If I had a husband and daughter doing that shit I would kill him and beat her ass before shipping her off to rehab in serbia.

She said she got drunk the night before her wedding and fucked her father. From what I gathered, it was a mistake. Knowing how fucked up on drugs that household was I can see the mistake being made. Where did you get this "long term incestuous relationship" quote from?

From her television interviews and the quotes from her book. The incest has already been backed up with public statements from her half-sister, Chynna.

That's why the moms are saying she's lying. Because if this really happened then the blame is on them for not 'killing him and beating her ass before shipping her off to rehab in serbia'.

I would think both mothers and fathers have a duty to protect their child from harm and destructive people even if those people are other relatives. I think these women (mom & step mom) ought to feel some degree of guilt for not trying to put an end to a very destructive and unhealthy relationship if it indeed occurred. They could have done a drug intervention, called in the cops (assuming the relationship was at anytime non-consensual) or they could have exposed and publicly shamed both Mac and John. They could have done a lot besides turn a blind eye.

I would think both mothers and fathers have a duty to protect their child from harm and destructive people even if those people are other relatives. I think these women (mom & step mom) ought to feel some degree of guilt for not trying to put an end to a very destructive and unhealthy relationship if it indeed occurred. They could have done a drug intervention, called in the cops (assuming the relationship was at anytime non-consensual) or they could have exposed and publicly shamed both Mac and John. They could have done a lot besides turn a blind eye.

I wonder how easy that would have been if maybe even the moms weren't (or still aren't) in their right heads. I mean the whole mystique connected to the Mamas and the Papas always placed John in an savior-svengali kind of light in that hippy trippy cult-like kind of way that's unique to the 60's. Their stories (like many of the celebritry stories from that era) were an intricate sorrid mess fueled by heroin and black beauties and God knows what else...I'm just trying to imagine what the realities of their daily lives were like compared to what the rest of us experience, and how cognizant we are with ethics, when we are not entrapped by the fortress of fame, influence, yes-people, an endless drug supply etc.

I agree but wouldn't they have all ended up just as ruined as Mac? I mean the moms and the other daughters don't have such horrid stories as hers. Somebody somewhere had moments of lucidity and clarity else they'd probablly all be dead or writing their own books of sex with each other and being drugged out of their minds. I think their daily lives must have had some degree of normalcy (sp) and in that vein they could have saved Mac or at least attempted to save her. She honestly sounds like she was all alone in the clutches of this evil step dad. And she still aint right in the head.

I wonder how easy that would have been if maybe even the moms weren't (or still aren't) in their right heads. I mean the whole mystique connected to the Mamas and the Papas always placed John in an savior-svengali kind of light in that hippy trippy cult-like kind of way that's unique to the 60's. Their stories (like many of the celebritry stories from that era) were an intricate sorrid mess fueled by heroin and black beauties and God knows what else...I'm just trying to imagine what the realities of their daily lives were like compared to what the rest of us experience, and how cognizant we are with ethics, when we are not entrapped by the fortress of fame, influence, yes-people, an endless drug supply etc.

I think I'm on the fence with agreeing with you in some places, and disagreeing in some others. We just haven't heard whether or not they have horrid stories. Some people are simply better at supressing, blocking, or downright denying abnormal behaviors that have taken place in their lives, and they allow their reactions to manifest in other ways. For some it's drug addiction, alcohol addiction,sexual addiction, sociopathic behaviors or other actions usually deemed in society as deviant or perverse...I don't know, there are a lot of shades to these situations and I don't think it's so easy to interpret them in black & white...

Look, I have to re-visit y'all after a wine break ...


Oh, but b4 I go and slightly off topic, did y'all hear about Kathy Griffin's new memoir that came out the same time as McKenzie's? Good grief, now even [b]she is going through admitting a family member (her brother) was pedophile and once tried to make the moves on her.[/b] She describes their incident as him crawling into bed with her and whispering sweet nothings in her ear. She says that back then they didn't even have a term that you could speak out loud when this sort of thing happened in families, an it was ignored and swept under the rug...I'm just thinking, good grief, what the hell was in the water back then???

Anyhoo...

no, that's not entirely true. chynnna has backed up that mac TOLD her about the incest. that's not to say chynna knew anything about it specifically except that mac told her there was this relationship. it's not the same as saying she knew. she knows what mac told her, and it seems she does believe it.

at the huff post, they have an extended quote from bijou. she said that mac also TOLD her about the alleged relationship...but then later retracted, just like she did with michelle phillips. bijou further wonders aloud how mac could have left her with her father, who bijou says was kind and loving in spite of his other problems. she's not saying that mac is lying but she seems more equivocating on the subject.

HOWEVER, the daughter of one of the founding members of the m&p says that her father did state that he knew that the relationship was going on. she's the one that for me now puts this in 51% category of truthfulness.

That's why the moms are saying she's lying. Because if this really happened then the blame is on them for not 'killing him and beating her ass before shipping her off to rehab in serbia'.