This was the shit once upon a time.

And why I still love him

50 stay with the crazy beats.
when 'get up' come on...i be feelin' all gangsta and shit.


this one goes hard

^ love nearly all his material. After pac I had given up on rap (never cared much for snoop) thank goodness for 50.

bboy87 said:

You should've put this disclaimer:

Gillie Da Kid does NOT approve of this thread

DesireeNevermind said:

If you thought 2Pac and Snoop represented good rap, then no wonder you'd given up on it.

I feel very weird being in this thread as it misrepresents so many things good about the genre of said music.

BanishedBrian said:

not snoop. hell nah.


pac - yes

biggie - kind of

the game and jadakiss - maybe

weezy, jeezy, boosie and all these other izzies and kizzies and dj this and that =

DesireeNevermind said:

My point is that you can't give up on something if you never really tried it, and since every artist you've mentioned in this thread falls on the most commercial side of the rap spectrum, it's easy to conclude that 50 or Pac are great in comparison even if they're both fairly mediocre.

It's like saying you fell in love with some rock band because they're better than Nickelback and Creed. (I mean, they're the standard setters, right?)

paisleypark4 said:

The only reason you in here because you like Fiddy's pecs

BanishedBrian said:

ah I C. but I can't tolerate hardcore rap. I like commercial rap I guess because hardcore rap from what little i've heard is too violent lyrically. Suggest some rap artists for me that are not considered commercial or main stream.

BanishedBrian said:

Nickelback is music?

I used to love him back in 2003 not no more

bboy87 said:

Them and Creed are not music, I don't know WHAT they are, lol

I H8 50.

Timmy84 said:

awww. Creed was good music.

DesireeNevermind said:

No they wasn't. They were Pearl Jam ripoffs. Scott Stapp sounded like Eddie Vedder had threw up vomit in his mouth. Hate to be so vulgar.
[Edited 9/23/09 13:27pm]

Timmy84 said:

Ewwww.


oh no doubt that scott ripped off Eddie vocally but he (scott) was a good lyricist I thought and the music itself was pretty good. to me creed wasn't necessarily trying to copy that whole grunge aspect which pearl jam started.

DesireeNevermind said:

Like a lot of genres, there are tons of sub-genres within rap. In a lot of cases, these sub-genres sometimes rise and fall over time as labels fall in and out of love with them.

So for example, in the early 90s a less commercial artist could get a major record deal pretty easy. So you have less "hardcore" artists like A Tribe Called Quest, Pete Rock and CL Smooth, Gangstarr, De La Soul, Del, Pharcyde, Alhoholiks, Brand Nubian, KMD, Souls of Mischief, Organized Konfusion, Common (Sense), The Roots, Freestyle Fellowship/Aceyalone, Ras Kass, Jurassic 5, etc., all selling fairly well and getting a little radio play. (There were also more "hardcore" but less commercial artists like Wu Tang, Nas, Mobb Deep, etc. that were also fairly popular.)

When Death Row and Bad Boy (and Jay-Z) came on the scene, there was a pretty major change in radio play and label interest, so the rap scene changed quite a bit. My point with all that is just that prior to this time, a lot of the artists I just mentioned might have been considered "commercial" in some respects, but in hindsight, they were put much more in the "underground" category because that whole genre was no longer radio friendly. For example, "The Source" magazine used to love most of those artists. When they put out rankings of the best albums of all time, you'd always see albums like Low End Theory at the top, way ahead of anything that Pac or Biggie were doing. But then the commercial interests bought up all the print media sources and suddenly history was re-written.

So in the late 90s there was a fairly heavy "independent" movement which saw Rawkus Records and labels like that promote a next generation of artists like Mos Def even though there was clearly no way they were going to get radio play anymore. But the digital downloading scene kind of killed that off once people could just get things on Napster, and a lot of artists kind of faded for a while unless they could just support themselves touring.

So in this decade, underground rap is really quite different than what it was 15 years ago, but there are still artists that put out some innovative stuff now and then. I would say MF Doom, J Dilla (RIP), Madlib and Ghostface are the artists that have been relatively consistent this decade, but there are others who drop a gem once in a while. I'm not going to lie though, I think pretty much every sub-genre in rap these days is way behind where it was 10-15 years ago.

Sorry if that was too much stream of consciousness.

His new song is posted on SINternet (for those of you that are interested).
http://www.sinternet.com/hiphop30.php

^ See i never considered A tribe Called Quest, Pete Rock or De La Soul hardcore rappers. I thought of them as alternative and independent. I guess to me hardcore rap was always acts like rakim, krs-one, and nwa, maybe gza too.

There's no reason to pit artists within the same genre against each other.

50 Cent "heat"

Desiree probably has this on rotation

DesireeNevermind said:

Yeah, I agree, but I thought you didn't like hardcore rappers? That's why I was naming those ones.

My point is that no matter which style you like, East Cost/West Coast, hardcore/backpacker, etc., artists like 50 really shouldn't be any sorta standard.

I give the guy props for knowing how to make money commercially, but not for making any music that's in any way at the top of the class. I also think Pac and Biggie are highly overrated by most people (especially in comparison to the ones you just named). And anyone with an eezy in their name shouldn't even really be in this discussion.

BanishedBrian said:

that's what I'm sayin'


but...i 50 cent. I can listen to pretty much all his stuff but some of those hardcore acts may have only 1 or 2 tracks I like with most of it being a little unnerving. I can't stand too much cussing and rappin bout drama and fucking and killing. NWA drove that shit into the ground.

bboy87 said:

ToraTora17 said: