Due to floon-domination of the org, my thread which had stayed completely on topic (the reality behind the facade of MJ) has been locked. However, there were some bare-faced lies being told by a floon in response to me that cannot go unnoted. I asked a floon to provide proof of his claim that Rabbi Boteach was guilty of fraud. Let the record show, not only did he provide NONE, but he also responded with these blatantly dishonest comments




The evidence I have shown have been known facts, like the fact that he was arrested twice for pedophilia, paid off two families, shared his bed with other people's kids, etc, etc. These are facts, not opinions. You may disagree with my interpretation of the facts, but every piece of evidence I've used has been factual. Where I've used quotes they've been verified quotes from people close to Mike. The existence of those quotes is factual. By contrast you haven't provided a single fact to show that Boteach committed fraud. Not even a verifiable quote from someone involved. I called your bluff, you showed your hand, and it was empty.




100% SHAMELESS lie! Please show EXACTLY which "sleazy tabloids" I have used as sources. I have used NONE! Here is a link to the thread in question. http://prince.org/msg/8/315953?&pg=29 Go and bring back the proof. You can't do it because you're BLATANTLY lying. The fact that you have to resort to lies shows how weak your case is. The fact that I have been STRICTLY HONEST throughout shows how strong my case is. Even when you quite rightly pointed out that Rabbi Boteach was not a "long time associate" I instantly acknowledged you were right about that. That's because I'm HONEST. Contrast that with your persistent lying and you get a good indication of who is more confident in their arguments.


If it was "widely reported" then it should be the easiest thing in the world for you to provide a source. Fraud would certainly have meant police involvement. There should be plenty to show that, and yet you've shown NOTHING! Zilch. Nada.

use your orgnote button for this mess

Evvy said:

No, it's important that neutral observers be made aware of the dishonesty of MJ fans. Many of them take the word of these people far too readily.

what's a "floon"?

chile, have a glass of wata

We need to get him some soul food to go STAT


calm down it's gonna be alright

chocolate1 said:

Chile, I was just about to ask my damned self...some new org insult of the week, I guess

chocolate1 said:

It's short for fucking loonatic. A floon is a fan of michael jackass who thinks he didn't abuse young boys even though they have no evidence to backup what they say. I think it's a popular Twitter theme.
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I thought that MJ was actually only arrested once.
And why do people who don't believe that MJ was a pedo have to provide evidence for what they believe when he was prooven not guilty in a court of law? And how can you be "abused over the phone? I mean, can't you just hang that motherfucker up?

illimack said:

he wasn't proven not guilty in a court of law as the law does not have that verdict, you can either be found guilty, not guilty, or in scotland there is the third verdict of not proven

this is a legal verdict, it does not mean the accused did or didn't do the crime. there have been many cases of people being found guilty who weren't guilty, and vice versa. take the case of OJ simpson as a good example of someone being found not guilty, but many believe he was

ironically being found guilty would have been the best option for MJ as in jail he would have been forced to kick his long standing drug abuse habit and got healthier, and he wouldn't have died. perhaps in the clarity of sobriety he could have grown up and matured as an adult, especially being surrounded solely by adults and losing his contact with children on a regular basis. perhaps he could have opened up and admitted what he did and wrote a tell all autobiography, denouncing his criminal past. he could have also matured as a songwriter and wrote some of his best songs

perhaps being found not guilty and ending up dead was justice from a higher court?

VoicesCarry said:

Agreed. Let it die already.

Ottensen said:

no, midnight movers shit is the most entertaining in a long time, and if the floons keep responding to him to fuel his trolling it's even more entertaining!

Do you think Midnightmover is a 40-year-old virgin?

unique said:

Wow, you are presuming a lot. So let me ask you this, why do you think he was found "not guilty"? Perhaps, because there was no evidence? So if there was no evidence to proove that MJ was a pedophile, why is one called a "floon" for not believing that he is? Maybe the "floons" should come up with a name for the people who believe that MJ was a pedophile when there is no evidence that he was.

Do you know how easy it is to accuse someone of something, esp something like child abuse? I mean how hard is it to say MJ molested me? The only time that it was taken to court, he was found Not Guilty in a court that was held in one of the most conservative areas of California. You say that the "floons" have no evidence that MJ was not guilty when you have no evidence that he was guilty. All you really have is accusations.

Don't ge me wrong, I am not one of the die-hards and I think MJ lied about a lot of shit, I just never saw anything that made me believe he was a pedo.

paisleypark4 said:

I've never had soul food (US- Style) looks good ...
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Fiona01 said:

I get a bit cranky when I haven't had sex for a long while.....anyone got some boobs pictures for the guy ?

LondonStyle said:

illimack said:

why was he found not guilty? insufficient evidence

why was that? the same reason many paedophiles are found not guilty, proving the word of an adult against the word of a child. add to that the fact that the adult in question was a multi millionaire who could pay for the best lawyers in the world, and had the resources to use less scrupulous people who could for example intimidate or pay off whoever they wanted to change peoples minds and choices

put yourself in the shoes of a paedophile who doesn't want to go to jail. you would lie, cheat and do anything in your power to avoid prison, including intimidation tactics and trying to pay off witnesses or accusers

whilst you say you saw nothing to make you believe he was a paedophile, tell me what evidence you ever saw of any paedophile? you don't see that stuff, but people are still guilty and convicted of it on a regular basis

the guy admitted to sleeping with kids, even on camera. that's not what a normal straight male would do. what kind of evidence do you need to satisfy your mind he was a paedophile? a video of him fucking a young boy?

my original point was that his fan base would stand by him and say he was innocent without any evidence whatsoever that he was innocent, simply because they couldn't believe, and more importantly did not want to believe that a pop star they idolised could be a criminal. we now know he was a criminal by illegally abusing drugs, that's been clearly established as it killed him. we also know he lied about a number of things about his personal life. it's therefore not hard to accept the possibility that he was a paedophile and should have been convicted of the charges put against him

and as i said before, had he been convicted of the charges, he would than likely have been alive to this day, and healthier than he had been in the past 25 years

unique said:

Let me tell you about yourself real quick chile...

#1. less than a year afterwards the mother of the boy who indeed say the incident happened was responsible for welfare fraud.
#2. How she going to have the straight face to say her son was abused in MJ's home WHILE SHE WAS THERE.
#3. First the kid said the "Jesus Juice" was red...then retracted that statement and said it was clear..then retracted that statement and said he didnt know what it was according to the reports and transcripts at the time.

back me up here somebody

Evvy said:

paisleypark4 said:

the boy?

there was more than one boy who slept over at his house, and more than one boy who was involved in accusations of child abuse

so what you say doesn't wash

unique said:

My boss is back at work so I can't go into to much detail, but why do I not believe it.....

1.MJ has been around thousands of kids and basically 2 accused him of sexual molestation....that ain't child molsetor behavior...they have victim after victim.

2. I was a major MJ fan (probably up until Invicible when I could no longer stomach the damage that he did to his face). This was the most popular human being on the planet and, up until the Chandler affair, you never heard anything about MJ being a pedo. All those adults who are now saying what they saw and what they knew..... Believe me, this man could not move muscle without it being reported. You would have heard at least some rumors about it.

3. Check out the book "Conspiracy" written by a journalist who went into the trial thinking he was guilty. Once you read it, you really will question how that shit even went to trial. The accuser and his family were a joke. If they had leveled those accustions against Joe Shmoe down the street, it would have never made it into a court of law. That family was really a mess and the trial should have never happened. One of the people that they say MJ molested was Mcauley Culkin, who took the stand and said that the police never even asked him if the shits was true.

4. Why didn't the Chandlers go to a criminal trial. They very well could have even though they had been "paid off. Why didn't Sneddon take it trial without the Chandler's if he had any other evidence beside and accusation?

5. If MJ was just looking to pay folks off, he could have done so in the firts place. Chandler's dad asked for money or he would go to the press. MJ could have just paid him the money in the first place.

unique said:

But most Pedos would not publicly admit that they allow children to sleep in their bed either. Most Pedos like to blend in and not make themselves obvious.
Mj made his relationship with children too obvious from the beginning, he never hid it. So although his behaviour was very odd for a straight guy, it was not typical Pedo behaviour either, even though it may seem like that. The fact of the matter is all they had is circumstantial evidence and considering the amount of children MJ had around him there should have had a lot more physical evidence then they did. I mean they could not even charge him with child porn, which is how they get most pedos nowadays. His case was not as black and white as people like to think. Anyway doesn't even matter now, even if there was a video of him abusing a child, they can't exactly put him on trial again!!

All I can say about this thread is WOW.

purplecam said:

let's go, Cam... because this is gonna get ugly

bboy87 said:

Yeah I'm following you with that one.