My God, you talk utter shit.

I recall the endless threads where you claimed he would mime the whole tour because he couldn't even hold a note anymore and that his voice was ravaged beyond repair.
You weren't just referring to his vocal stamina - you had completely written him off and this clip proves you wrong. It proves that he could still sing live and sound strong and confident. His vocals here sound as good as the Bad tour. And that is just 40secs, there's a whole film to go yet...

You've already been proven wrong and have made yourself look foolish in the process. If I were you I would quit while you're ahead...

He sounds great in this clip. Can't wait to see the whole thing.

midnightmover said:

Ahahahahaha. Yeah, nobody has any standards and you are the only one on the boards who knew the condition and stamina he had, as well as the clairvoyance to look into the future and see that had the concerts happened, they would have been failures.

There's no point in trying to defend this against someone like midnightmover. He clearly has an unhealthy and passionate hatred for Michael Jackson, so he's going to call anything he does crap.

I'm the first to admit he sounded ropey on the live portions of the HIStory tour. But that was over a decade ago. He sounded a lot better during the live sections at MSG in 2001 and he sounds great here. I say it as it is, whereas haters will just blindely hate.

MattyJam said:

Wow! After I just busted you on the "Calling Liars To Account" thread you're actually dim enough to start your dishonesty again. Pay attention. I'm going to report FACTS right now. Not opinions, like you. Verifiable facts.

Firstly, about a month before MJ died I had a LONG debate on this subject with SWA (a hardcore MJ fan). I wish I could remember the title of the thread so I could post a link, but I'm sure he remembers it and can confirm what I'm saying. Like you, he didn't seem to understand what I was saying, so he asked me to SPECIFICALLY boil it down. He then quoted back what he thought my main point was. The quote was pretty much EXACTLY what I just said here. "Michael can only sing in short bursts and even then it's not as good as it used to be". Do not take my word for this. Orgnote SWA and ask him. This is FACTUAL. If you dispute it, you are disputing FACTS.

Another thing I pointed out a million times was that Mike's voice declined the more singing he did. I said this SO MANY TIMES that if you say you can't remember it then you will be LYING BLATANTLY (something which I've already busted you for in that other thread). On EVERY ONE of his solo tours the miming increased as the tour went on and the voice deteriorated. Again, I have to stress this is a fact, not an opinion. If you are honest you'll admit it.

Lastly, another thing I said on the same thread when debating with Suga10 was that Mike's voice was so ropey that it would often go from okay to terible within the same night or even the same song. Since (unlike you) I like to back up my claims with FACTS I would point your attention to the MSG gig in 2001. Mike started with "Can You Feel It" and sounded really good. Yet on the very same night he did this... http://www.youtube.com/wa...UM80eCDlW4 It's part mimed, part live. In the live bits he sounds AWFUL. I think (again if we are being HONEST) we can agree on that.

And just to further illustrate this INDISPUTABLE point I would draw your attention to this. http://www.youtube.com/wa...TPT9EBPBh0 He doesn't sound great in the first verse, but he sounds passable, yet in the second verse he sounds ABSOLUTELY AWFUL. But on the acapella bits on the end he sounds decent. This is all within the same song. Passable to awful to decent within the same song. Now, if I played you a 30 second clip of the acapella bits at the end you would say "Aha! His voice sounds okay! There you go. He's fine! No vocal problems at all!". But someone who is more knowledgable than you would say "Hmmm, need to hear a bit more than that I'm afraid". That person would be LOGICAL, since a little fragment cannot tell you the whole story, as I've just proved BEYOND ANY QUESTION with the two examples I just gave.

Let me also add that there are quite a few bad notes even in that little fragment (which is probably the best fragment they could find).

Fiona01 said:

You claim you say it as it is. Let's put that to the test. You claimed he sounded alright at MSG. This is a clip from MSG that was not broadcast. This is what they didn't want you to see. Would you not agree that this unreleased footage shows him singing very, very badly. Since you claim to be honest. http://www.youtube.com/wa...UM80eCDlW4

i never even read midnights post. all the bullshit makes my head hurt

midnightmover said:

Never seen that... and I thought it was pretty cool. Thanks for sharing, ahaha.

midnightmover said:

There you go again.

I don't get what's supposed to be so amazing about this clip.

He manages to make it through 30 seconds in a rehearsal with no crowd noise and we're supposed to be convinced he could make it through a full show, or multiple shows?

Michael Is dead can you guys just stop all the disection of his voice, loo,k etc Let him rest In peace and lets celebrate the joy he brought us and Prince doesnt sound the way he did 20 years ago either so lets not get it twisted and I love Prince as well. let's celebrate our Icons instead of tearing them down especially you African Americans on the board. I expect the enemy to be negative but not us come on people

midnightmover said:

Yeah, he does sound bad there. MJ was clearly in a bad shape healthwise during 2001-time. He looked unwell and as if he didn't want to be there. I still think his live singing with his brothers at the MSG shows was great though. His ad-libbing at the end of Shake Your Body was so raw and funky, he sounded great during I'll Be There.

There are a few live clips released so far from the TII rehearsals, one of him ad-libbing to Billie Jean and also the Human Nature clip - and he sounds excellent in both.

You're just selectively picking out the worst clips (which you've posted on this site before) because you want to prove your own agenda and it quite clearly pains you that not everyone agrees with you.

You remind me of one of those really sad nutjobs who starts hate websites about celebrities. The man is dead. If you don't like him, get a life and move on. Stop deliberately stirring old shit about a man who lost his life only three months ago.

midnightmover said:

I was bored just from the first line so I didn't read any of that. Nor did I bother reading your thread. I'm sure it's full of your usual predictable shit....

BanishedBrian said:

Well, there are people who said he couldn't sing at all.

I love how people keep saying "30 seconds" or "little clips" as if he wasn't rehearsing, as if he hasn't been in the music industry for decades.

My guess is that it was probably easier for him to get on stage and sing and dance than it was for him to go home and try to deal with all the bull.

PatrickS77 said:

Yeap they said he couldn't sign live... also some comments that he's lost his voice... oh well that's why 1 million tickets got sold in record time

Superstition said:

I think the reason people are focussing on the length of the clip is that this isn't just some 30-second random window into his rehearsal; it's presumably the 30 seconds in all the footage that the filmmakers think is most compelling.

If so, it's not particularly impressive IMO, at least relative to how much MJ clutter there is on this board.
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BanishedBrian said:

Yeah i think it's called a marketing trailer .... they do that alot nowdays

Ellie said:

The question is: should I care?

Its nice when you can stretch your vocals a bit during a rehearsal, but musicians offer their public a live show, no prerecorded tapes, no lyp-synching.

Why should i feel sorry for the 'entertainer' MJ?

For all those who don't know at 10 sec Michael was doing a NEW dance called The Penguin

what was that weird move?

Lypsynching on top of prerecorded music has nothing to do with being a musician.

That is what MJ has been doing since the mid-nineties.

It seems like some people in here consider him a 'genious' because of that, IMO it has nothing to do with musicianship and creativity, but with people who like to fool themselves.

MattyJam said:

Well, technically, can't really sing live anymore.

<3 @ the clip

Riverpoet31 said:

Duh....

If Mj was not creative then I don't know what the hell he was, stop downplaying the man's legacy, a person like you won't change or re-write history, Mj is right there with the greats ,he was the greatest, he is a songwriter, producer, dancer, choreographer, impeccable vocalist, and guess what? he is one a hell of a musician , I guess this is a fact that you have to deal with , so deal with it.
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Here's whats funny, you two (you know who you are...) claim to quote 'hate' MJ,

but if I take a look at your last 20 posts, what are they all about? Time to

stop stroking your hard cocks for Michael and actually do something worthwhile in

your life.

Oh and on topic:
@ this clip.

PurpleMedley122 said:

i think it sounds quite good-but I'm not convinced it is a live vocal. I know he doesn't do a Prince and sing a different version to the record but this sounds too smooth and I don't mean that in a complimentary way.

God the amount of threads about him does my head in (and Iam a massive MJ fan but enough is enough)

Anyway, he often did always do "human nature" live didn't he? He sounded fine, but he looked so pale and "not right".It's hard to describe, but like I said before he died, seeing the tour would sorta be comparable to seeing "fat elvis". Its nice to see him and all and he no doubt still had a good performance or 2 in him, but he just doesn't look right to me. I know he was 50 or whatever but the whole concert just looked abit sad.

I also feel the movie is a rather sad cash in aswell, but hey, whatever. I'll still probably see it with a friend but you just know deep down Mike probably didn't want to do these shows.