lowkey said:

SO true. I can see if you just simply don't like an artist, but why this woman cconstantly gets disrespected when she is one of the only musical icons to come oout of the 80s that is still standing is beyond me. Her accomplishments are limitless. She has major records that have not been broken. Proof of her influence smacks you in the face whenever you see a Britney video. Or a Ciara video, or any other video by these young girls out here today. It's just insane. She should be in the hall. Period. And she has been eligible since 2007. It doesn't matter that Control was her first successful album. Her first album was released in 1982.
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HOF is scared of a black pussy/titty

Timmy84 said:

Come on, Percy Sledge had more than one hit. "Take Time To Know Her" and "It Tears Me Up" were hits.

Percy was inducted because "When A Man Loves A Woman" was very influential in popular music. That's it.

xlr8r said:

daPrettyman said:

That's why people have a problem. That's all I'm saying. Got nothing personal with Percy, I dig "When a Man Loves a Woman", but I say if Percy's inducted, put Chubby's ass in there too.

midiscover said:

from my understanding, she told them what she wanted to sing about and they wrote the actual lyrics.

errant said:

Either way, what happened with Janet, Jimmy & Terry was teamwork since she did add some input. They had to get her credit especially if they related it to what Janet was talking to them about. Janet did get into songwriting more with Rhythm Nation onwards and she did it with Rene. I don't really care who wrote the songs tho, doesn't mean Janet's impact is any less that she shouldn't be in IMHO.

errant said:

Source?

Janet wrote the lyrics. There's this Billboard book that goes into detail about the story behind most of her hits from Control and Rhythm Nation.

I know that Jam came up with Miss You Much. His lover at the time wrote Miss You Much on a letter and things started building from there.

Nasty is about Janet. She said she was walking the streets alone in Minneapolis and a couple of guys approached her and tried to get in her pants! And she was hell no NASTYYYYY!!

Rhythm Nation is Janet too.

etc.

i'd love to see janet inducted!

some old, very in-depth interview with Jam and/or Lewis is my source. I think parts of it were even excerpted for the Design of a Decade liner notes. they didn't re-print that part. and I haven't seen the full thing online anywhere.

errant said:

Can you blow the dust off this "in-depth interview from Jam/Lewis" and share it with muah??

You act as if Janet's a retarded bitch that doesn't know shit about music.

midiscover said:

you're the Janet fan, go look through your scrapbook and find it yourself.

and don't get me wrong, I like Janet and her music a lot. I used to absolutely ADORE her. But... considering her last 4 albums, is there any evidence that she ISN'T retarded or that she DOES know shit about music?

Her output started to suffer when she didn't have Jam & Lewis or Rene ghost-writing her lyrics....

errant said:

didn't you see her tickle the ivories for 8 seonds in the Control live video from 87? Hush errant lol

Not this shit again!
Yet another pointless debate about Janet being the creator of her art

errant said:

like i said my mom has a first print of Control with no Jackson in the writing credits.

Attack of the Madonna fans

errant said:

Rene ghost-writing? Last time I checked he couldn't even build a coherent sentence! Jam said his only contribution was idea nothing more.

He was just trying to control her career.

What are you trying to prove now? Janet's the one with the hits for days, awards and legacy

and your just a bitter dude trying to discredit her!

trueiopian said:

yes i hate janet soo much that's why i have this



people need to learn criticism does not equal hating.

i've spent enough of my mom's and my money on janet to voice my opinion.

trueiopian said:

Go figure!

ehuffnsd said:

O.K. you keep preaching this and I think you should just take a picture of this album already and post it on here. There's no point on talking and having nothing to back it up

Does the album have Janet's name at all (Front, Back)? Anywhere?

From my understanding Janet released Control albums to radio stations without her name on it. Because she didn't want people to just like it because she's a Jackson. Maybe your mama was first in line when Janet's Control album hit the stations

midiscover said:

funny, that's what they said about Janet's involvement in Contol and when TVR came out, and they started giving him writing credit, she said he had been writing with her for a long time. it's funny how the minute they broke up, and she stopped relying so heavily on jam/lewis that the quality of her output took a massive nosedive. don't you think?





not at all. as I said previously, I like her a lot and used to love her dearly, but I'm not insane and don't feel the need to give her more credit than she deserves. judging from your posts all around this site, I've been a Janet fan longer than you've probably been alive and I remember back when there was actual press and interviews and information about her music floating around. it wasn't all tittygate and what magazine cover she's on next back then. because back then, she gave us something to appreciate. so that's what we could read about and discuss.

go do some homework on your favorite artist. and not everything is on the internet.

errant said:[quote]

midiscover said:

Do you feel better about yourself now??

Janet = legend

Case closed.

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trueiopian said:

it'll be sometime in December before i'm back in Kansas City.

midiscover said:

i win

errant said:

what's scary for me is i think i've been a fan longer than Midiscover has been alive as well.

ehuffnsd said:

She co-wrote "Let's Wait A While", but I think that was it.

errant said:

so now you goin back 4 albums? ok so jam&lewis was still working with her especially on afy, so are you now giving the credit to rene instead of jam&lewis since he's the only one that wasnt involved with afy? also whats the big difference in the quality of the songs on the janet. album from afy or even damitajo? do you really feel there is a big difference in the music or is it just the popular thing to say? the janet/jam/lewis songs on 20yo stands up to the other stuff they have done in the past,i dont like her working wit jd at all.i just dont see where the stuff she's done with jam&lewis on her last 4 albums is so terrible, the difference is the commercial success.

lowkey said:

you lost me right there. i didn't read any more. if you can't hear the difference between the janet. album and damitajo, then i can't be bothered to discuss it any more.

ehuffnsd said:

Um.....I've never seen ANY evidence that production and writing credits were changed for Control at any point. And I have over 1300 Janet items in my collection.

Yes, she deserves to be inducted given her enormous chart accomplishments spanning three decades and her influence as an artist and performer.

I do not think she will be inducted until at least 2011 (25th anniversary of Control), but I do think she will be inducted at some point, particularly now that Michael has gone and nostalgia for the Jackson family is high.