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Printablemedion said: The Jackson family and his fans are looking for an excuse to make Michael look innocent and you are aware that Michael has been taking prescription pills for 25+ years. Over the years, his doctors were happy being on the MJ payroll. The final verdict to this case: Michael Jackson killed Michael Jackson.
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shorttrini said: kibbles said: i never understand the so-called logic behind this statement, and i see people making it all the time. well, duh. yeah, if it wasn't murray, it would have been someone else. and your point? if it was someone else, we'd be talking about how that person is looking at manslaughter charges. as i and many other people have pointed out, it doesn't matter what other drugs were in mj's system, assuming there were. did you not see the coroner's report? it stated mj died from propofol overdose with the sedatives that murray gave him as underlying factors in his death. DRUGS MURRAY GAVE HIM. whether mj had aspirin or oxycontin or heroin in his system, that's not the point. he died from what murray gave him. honestly, people, come on! If you asked me, Michael died as a result of YEARS of drug abuse. Remember, he had been taking drugs for all types of ailments, for many years. For people to just single out Murray, is in a way, more of a miscarriage of justice than anything else. I don't believe for a second that MJ just started taking Proporfol, when he met Dr. Murray. I think he started taking it way before he ever met him. Michael was very familiar with the drug and it's affects, due to the amount of surgeries he has undergone. My point is that every doctor that attended to Michael, should be held accountable for the man's death. LOL...Dude... What Part of " Drug overdose" you don't understand? kibbles and others already stated that it was a drug overdose injected by unprofessional reckless bastard called Murry that caused his death , it was NOT a long trem of drug abuse that caused his death. MICHAEL JACKSON
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shorttrini said: Timmy84 said: Yeah and MJ hired Murray in May. Really? I did not know this. Yeah, Murry was hired 6 weeks before Mj's death MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: shorttrini said: If you asked me, Michael died as a result of YEARS of drug abuse. Remember, he had been taking drugs for all types of ailments, for many years. For people to just single out Murray, is in a way, more of a miscarriage of justice than anything else. I don't believe for a second that MJ just started taking Proporfol, when he met Dr. Murray. I think he started taking it way before he ever met him. Michael was very familiar with the drug and it's affects, due to the amount of surgeries he has undergone. My point is that every doctor that attended to Michael, should be held accountable for the man's death. LOL...Dude... What Part of " Drug overdose" you don't understand? kibbles and others already stated that it was a drug overdose injected by unprofessional reckless bastard called Murry that caused his death , it was NOT a long trem of drug abuse that caused his death. I believe that it was a contributing factor, in his death. He was not a well man to begin with and had been doing those drugs for years. After awhile, it takes a toll on your system,(cortisone shots, might help elevate the pain of arthritis, but it damages your kidney's in the long run). You and Kibble are ONLY looking at Murray, while there are others who are just as guilty. This is all I'm saying. As stated before, if Murray was the ONLY guilty party, don't you think, he would have been arrested a month ago? Think about it. There has to be more to this case than they are letting out. [Edited 9/5/09 10:16am] "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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http://derekclontz.wordpr.../#comments We all heard how scared MJ was from Tohme, so maybe he took this route to get rid of all his problem so we wouldn' have to go on a 50 show concert series. Michael Jackson ‘Death Hoax’ Diary Found
Copyright (c) 2009 Derek Clontz/4-Page Media, Inc. All rights reserved. POP WARBLER Michael Jackson kept an astonishing “death-hoax diary” explaining how he would fake his death of a heart attack and telling when he would come out of hiding, a family friend who claims to have found the journal “among Michael’s personal effects” tells derekclontz.com exclusively. ALIVE - OR NOT? You be the judge. ALIVE - OR NOT? You be the judge. “There’s too much pressure, pressure, pressure … pressure everywhere I turn …” a diary entry dated Nov. 17, 2008 is alleged to say in part. “I don’t know who I am, not anmore (sp). Maybe I’m just a father to my children. Maybe I’m washed up. “The drugs are (illegible) a toll … (illegible) … I’m not addict. But I can’t stop … “If Elvis … (illegible) … so can I. “I’ll have a ‘heart attack’ from drugs like he did (yeah, right!) “I’ll come back, but only when I’m ready. Bigger than Elvis in ‘69. “Maybe 2009 at Christmas. Or maybe the New Year is better. “A back-from-dead tour, a real Thriller. But I have to rest. I’m tired. I’m not (thinking) clearly. “It’s the drugs. “A lot of fans still love me. (Some) people hate me. Thing (sp) will be different (after this) …” Jackson insiders declined to comment – officially – on the report. But as one privately put it, “We love Michael no matter what.” The friend who leaked portions of the diary also was tight lipped, saying only, “There are over 60 pages (of it) that I will release to the family through my lawyer and they can do what they want with it. It doesn’t belong to me. It belongs to Michael and his loved ones.” Other sources confirm that Jackson, 50, had spoken of a death hoax “on several occasions” in 2008 and also in 2009, although the reported discovery of the diary that outlines his plans seemed to come as a surprise to everyone contacted by derekclontz.com. A paint-by-numbers account of a death hoax, in the superstar’s own handwriting, could lead to serious legal problems, say legal observers, especially if the journal is perceived by insurance companies and the authorities to be a blueprint for fraud. “I hope to God the diary is legit,” said a Jackson confidante who requested anonymity. “If Michael really is alive, if he orchestrated all this, if he faked his own death, then nobody will be happier than me. As for fraud – nope, no way. “Michael wouldn’t commit fraud. He’s not trying to collect insurance. He’s protecting himself. He’s doing this for his children. I’ll guarantee it.” [Edited 9/5/09 10:16am] [Edited 9/5/09 10:18am] | |
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suga10 said: Any truth to this article
http://derekclontz.wordpr.../#comments We all heard how scared MJ was from Tohme, so maybe he took this route to get rid of all his problems. Michael Jackson ‘Death Hoax’ Diary Found
Copyright (c) 2009 Derek Clontz/4-Page Media, Inc. All rights reserved. POP WARBLER Michael Jackson kept an astonishing “death-hoax diary” explaining how he would fake his death of a heart attack and telling when he would come out of hiding, a family friend who claims to have found the journal “among Michael’s personal effects” tells derekclontz.com exclusively. ALIVE - OR NOT? You be the judge. ALIVE - OR NOT? You be the judge. “There’s too much pressure, pressure, pressure … pressure everywhere I turn …” a diary entry dated Nov. 17, 2008 is alleged to say in part. “I don’t know who I am, not anmore (sp). Maybe I’m just a father to my children. Maybe I’m washed up. “The drugs are (illegible) a toll … (illegible) … I’m not addict. But I can’t stop … “If Elvis … (illegible) … so can I. “I’ll have a ‘heart attack’ from drugs like he did (yeah, right!) “I’ll come back, but only when I’m ready. Bigger than Elvis in ‘69. “Maybe 2009 at Christmas. Or maybe the New Year is better. “A back-from-dead tour, a real Thriller. But I have to rest. I’m tired. I’m not (thinking) clearly. “It’s the drugs. “A lot of fans still love me. (Some) people hate me. Thing (sp) will be different (after this) …” Jackson insiders declined to comment – officially – on the report. But as one privately put it, “We love Michael no matter what.” The friend who leaked portions of the diary also was tight lipped, saying only, “There are over 60 pages (of it) that I will release to the family through my lawyer and they can do what they want with it. It doesn’t belong to me. It belongs to Michael and his loved ones.” Other sources confirm that Jackson, 50, had spoken of a death hoax “on several occasions” in 2008 and also in 2009, although the reported discovery of the diary that outlines his plans seemed to come as a surprise to everyone contacted by derekclontz.com. A paint-by-numbers account of a death hoax, in the superstar’s own handwriting, could lead to serious legal problems, say legal observers, especially if the journal is perceived by insurance companies and the authorities to be a blueprint for fraud. “I hope to God the diary is legit,” said a Jackson confidante who requested anonymity. “If Michael really is alive, if he orchestrated all this, if he faked his own death, then nobody will be happier than me. As for fraud – nope, no way. “Michael wouldn’t commit fraud. He’s not trying to collect insurance. He’s protecting himself. He’s doing this for his children. I’ll guarantee it.” [Edited 9/5/09 10:16am] This is funny, my girlfriend and I were talking about this last night. She is of the opinion, that he faked his death, to get away from it for awhile. I told her that I don't see why he would take such a risk like that. [Edited 9/5/09 12:55pm] "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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shorttrini said: This is funny, my girlfriend and I were talking about this last night. She is of the opinion, that he faked his death, to get away from it for awhile. I told her that I don't see what he would take such a risk like that. I was thinking that's why maybe Murray hasn't been arrested. Maybe this just a drug investigation b/c of all the stuff they found in his home. In fact Michael could very well be out of the country getting treatment for his drug problem peacefully, without any media/paparazzi bothering him. [Edited 9/5/09 11:07am] | |
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suga10 said: shorttrini said: This is funny, my girlfriend and I were talking about this last night. She is of the opinion, that he faked his death, to get away from it for awhile. I told her that I don't see what he would take such a risk like that. I was thinking that's why maybe Murray hasn't been arrested. Maybe this just a drug investigation b/c of all the stuff they found in his home. In fact Michael could very well be out of the country getting treatment for his drog problem peacefully, without any media/paparazzi bothering him. [Edited 9/5/09 11:00am]  MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: suga10 said: I was thinking that's why maybe Murray hasn't been arrested. Maybe this just a drug investigation b/c of all the stuff they found in his home. In fact Michael could very well be out of the country getting treatment for his drog problem peacefully, without any media/paparazzi bothering him. [Edited 9/5/09 11:00am] Remember 1993
When he went to rehab outside of the country with Liz Taylor alongside him. He wouldn't disclose the exact spot where he was getting rehab, and media was unable to track him down. When you have old Joe Jackson reacting like this, a day or two before his first memorial service. Then you know something's not right 
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prodigalfan said: kibbles said: exactly. assuming mj had a chance (and that's a really big assumption at this point), the paramedics likely had the anecdote for propofol, and if murray had nothing to hide he would have told them *immediately*. i have read that other doctors are skeptical of murray's claim that mj asked for propofol after those sedatives. one, they say even if he wasn't completely asleep, mj would have been very groggy. what doctor would take seriously the rantings of a heavily sedated man? and two, it was 10:40am according to the doctor when he administered this last bit of propofol. mj was due at rehearsal in a few hours. why go back to sleep at that time? i just don't have any reason to believe this happened the way murray claims.[ AND THERE IT IS! I don't believe it either. MJ got propofol drip the night before and Murray fell asleep sometime during the night. When he woke up, the patient was dead. The end. All this other stuff makes it sound like it was just a few minutes lapse. I will bet MJ took his last breath hours before he was found at 830 or so. I say 830 or so because it appears Dr. Murray spent more than an hour of trying to fix things before he alerted people that MJ was gone. [Edited 9/4/09 22:29pm] [Edited 9/4/09 22:30pm] i think that makes much more sense. the chef said that mj usually had breakfast round 10a. that means he probably got up, showered, and dressed as the doctor went down to retrieve his meal. he would have likely been up by 9a, or even as early as 8:30. going back to sleep when he had things to do? i'm not buying it. | |
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suga10 said: shorttrini said: This is funny, my girlfriend and I were talking about this last night. She is of the opinion, that he faked his death, to get away from it for awhile. I told her that I don't see what he would take such a risk like that. I was thinking that's why maybe Murray hasn't been arrested. Maybe this just a drug investigation b/c of all the stuff they found in his home. In fact Michael could very well be out of the country getting treatment for his drug problem peacefully, without any media/paparazzi bothering him. [Edited 9/5/09 11:07am] ..... | |
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prodigalfan said: medion said: The Jackson family and his fans are looking for an excuse to make Michael look innocent and you are aware that Michael has been taking prescription pills for 25+ years. Over the years, his doctors were happy being on the MJ payroll. The final verdict to this case: Michael Jackson killed Michael Jackson.
Not quite... MJ could not get propofol without help. and anyone who has access to propofol SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER! If it was only morphine or ativan etc... I could say okay because it is reasonable that a doctor could say that he assusmed he was the only one writing scripts or that he insturcted MJ to only take this much and MJ took that much... but when it comes to THAT sedative... no one will get a pass. It is criminal that MJ was given access to propofol or was given TO him outside hospital setting. PERIOD! criminal. Exactly. It doesn't matter how crazy a person may be, if a doctor gives them a drug they shouldn't be using, it is illegal unless the patient put a gun to their head and demanded it. Hell, lots of average people want drugs they shouldn't be taking and the doctors don't give them the drugs. That doctor was money hungry. I don't care if Michael Jackson was crazy as hell running around with children, getting plastic surgery all the time which made him look like some sort of inhuman monster, and doing things harmful to himself. Yes, Michael Jackson did do it to himself but it was illegal for that doctor to give him those drugs and that doctor knew it was illegal also. I bet he wouldn't have done it for the average joe on the street that didn't have all that money. Those drugs are what killed him and that doctor's ass needs to be locked up. . . . . . . [Edited 9/5/09 13:21pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Exactly. It doesn't matter how crazy a person may be, if a doctor gives them a drug they shouldn't be using, it is illegal unless the patient put a gun to their head and demanded it. Hell, lots of average people want drugs they shouldn't be taking and the doctor's don't give them the drugs. That doctor was money hungry. yep. as i said above, when i asked my doctor to refill my prescription for tylenol with codeine, he said NO. murray agreed to undertake a crazy, criminal assignment, and from what frank dileo said, had the nerve to initially request $1 million PER MONTH. | |
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PanthaGirl said: medion said: The Jackson family and his fans are looking for an excuse to make Michael look innocent and you are aware that Michael has been taking prescription pills for 25+ years. Over the years, his doctors were happy being on the MJ payroll. The final verdict to this case: Michael Jackson killed Michael Jackson.
Can you please tell me what excuse the Doctor had for pumping Jackson full of this shit and waiting several minutes (almost an hour) before calling 911? Because Jackson asked for the drugs, he's exonerated? Please. While we're at it, let's exonerate hitmen. After all, they wouldn't kill if nobody asked them to. [Edited 9/5/09 14:56pm] | |
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suga10 said: seeingvoices12 said: Remember 1993
When he went to rehab outside of the country with Liz Taylor alongside him. He wouldn't disclose the exact spot where he was getting rehab, and media was unable to track him down. When you have old Joe Jackson reacting like this, a day or two before his first memorial service. Then you know something's not right
[Edited 9/5/09 11:37am] [Edited 9/5/09 11:47am] @the PicMICHAEL JACKSON
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Superstition said: PanthaGirl said: Can you please tell me what excuse the Doctor had for pumping Jackson full of this shit and waiting several minutes (almost an hour) before calling 911? Because Jackson asked for the drugs, he's exonerated? Please. While we're at it, let's exonerate hitmen. After all, they wouldn't kill if nobody asked them to. [Edited 9/5/09 14:56pm] THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. | |
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^^^^that picture totally needs captions
Jesse: I'm sorry your son is dead. Joe: I'm rich, beyotch! Both: *cackling* Just saw a headline, the doc is going to claim MJ gave himself the propofol and killed himself accidentally. 
*sniff sniff* what is that I smell? Some nonsensical bullshit!! | |
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When I first saw this, I wanted to punch them fools right dead in the jaw!  | |
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Timmy84 said:
When I first saw this, I wanted to punch them fools right dead in the jaw! He grieves differently  MICHAEL JACKSON
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Timmy84 said: When I first saw this, I wanted to punch them fools right dead in the jaw! I'd be scurred of those dentures cutting my knuckles | |
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BklynBabe said: Timmy84 said: When I first saw this, I wanted to punch them fools right dead in the jaw! I'd be scurred of those dentures cutting my knuckles Yeah you're right, them dentures may be LETHAL. | |
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BklynBabe said: ^^^^that picture totally needs captions
Jesse: I'm sorry your son is dead. Joe: I'm rich, beyotch! Both: *cackling* Just saw a headline, the doc is going to claim MJ gave himself the propofol and killed himself accidentally.
*sniff sniff* what is that I smell? Some nonsensical bullshit!! I hope that will not fly. Unless MJ had an infusaport... somebody had to start an IV on him. So far none of the other meds that the doctor admits given required an IV site... Demerol, Ativan can be given by an intramuscular injection. Propofol has to be given IV. Not a shot in the arm or leg. Intravenously. Someohow I doubt that MJ could start his own IV. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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seeingvoices12 said: Timmy84 said:
When I first saw this, I wanted to punch them fools right dead in the jaw! He grieves differently It is so hard to be in the spotlight when grieving period is ongoing. Who knows what was said that cause an erruption of laughter that may have been only momentarily but forever caught on film. I had patients that die and the families are devastated and grieving terribly... and someone walks down the hall not realizing that a death has occured and innocently laughed at a joke told by an accompany co-worker. The laughter will seem cruel to grieving families but one situation has nothing to do with the other. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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suga10 said: seeingvoices12 said: Remember 1993
When he went to rehab outside of the country with Liz Taylor alongside him. He wouldn't disclose the exact spot where he was getting rehab, and media was unable to track him down. When you have old Joe Jackson reacting like this, a day or two before his first memorial service. Then you know something's not right
[Edited 9/5/09 11:37am] [Edited 9/5/09 11:47am] Amen to that, I really believe Michael is alive, but he is not in the U.S. | |
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suga10 said: Any truth to this article
http://derekclontz.wordpr.../#comments We all heard how scared MJ was from Tohme, so maybe he took this route to get rid of all his problem so we wouldn' have to go on a 50 show concert series. Michael Jackson ‘Death Hoax’ Diary Found
Copyright (c) 2009 Derek Clontz/4-Page Media, Inc. All rights reserved. POP WARBLER Michael Jackson kept an astonishing “death-hoax diary” explaining how he would fake his death of a heart attack and telling when he would come out of hiding, a family friend who claims to have found the journal “among Michael’s personal effects” tells derekclontz.com exclusively. ALIVE - OR NOT? You be the judge. ALIVE - OR NOT? You be the judge. “There’s too much pressure, pressure, pressure … pressure everywhere I turn …” a diary entry dated Nov. 17, 2008 is alleged to say in part. “I don’t know who I am, not anmore (sp). Maybe I’m just a father to my children. Maybe I’m washed up. “The drugs are (illegible) a toll … (illegible) … I’m not addict. But I can’t stop … “If Elvis … (illegible) … so can I. “I’ll have a ‘heart attack’ from drugs like he did (yeah, right!) “I’ll come back, but only when I’m ready. Bigger than Elvis in ‘69. “Maybe 2009 at Christmas. Or maybe the New Year is better. “A back-from-dead tour, a real Thriller. But I have to rest. I’m tired. I’m not (thinking) clearly. “It’s the drugs. “A lot of fans still love me. (Some) people hate me. Thing (sp) will be different (after this) …” Jackson insiders declined to comment – officially – on the report. But as one privately put it, “We love Michael no matter what.” The friend who leaked portions of the diary also was tight lipped, saying only, “There are over 60 pages (of it) that I will release to the family through my lawyer and they can do what they want with it. It doesn’t belong to me. It belongs to Michael and his loved ones.” Other sources confirm that Jackson, 50, had spoken of a death hoax “on several occasions” in 2008 and also in 2009, although the reported discovery of the diary that outlines his plans seemed to come as a surprise to everyone contacted by derekclontz.com. A paint-by-numbers account of a death hoax, in the superstar’s own handwriting, could lead to serious legal problems, say legal observers, especially if the journal is perceived by insurance companies and the authorities to be a blueprint for fraud. “I hope to God the diary is legit,” said a Jackson confidante who requested anonymity. “If Michael really is alive, if he orchestrated all this, if he faked his own death, then nobody will be happier than me. As for fraud – nope, no way. “Michael wouldn’t commit fraud. He’s not trying to collect insurance. He’s protecting himself. He’s doing this for his children. I’ll guarantee it.” [Edited 9/5/09 10:16am] [Edited 9/5/09 10:18am] o GOD some ppl r TOOO damn much "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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Timmy84 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: this doctor is clearly a scapegoat. If he goes down I hope it's not alone. But I really hope he evades murder charges.
The way those cowards at the LAPD acting, he ain't gonna get shit. And you can FORGET murder charges. Well, he wouldn't be charged with murder in the first place because it wasn't murder and therefore he shouldn't be charged with that. He could be charged with involuntary manslaughter and if he is wise he can plea is down to negligence. Either way his career as a Doctor is over. | |
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It seems (withholding derogatory name for MJ fans out of respect) MJ fans are ignoring the fact that Michael Jackson asked for propofol. Not just from Dr. murray but at least one other person, the nurse who's been quoted as giving an account of her conversation where Michael complained of both being hot and cold at the same time.
Did it just not occur to him at all what the hell he was asking for? That he be surgically sedated and did it never occur to him that it could be dangerous? Michael could not be so innocent to have never thought of the dangers. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: It seems (withholding derogatory name for MJ fans out of respect) MJ fans are ignoring the fact that Michael Jackson asked for propofol. Not just from Dr. murray but at least one other person, the nurse who's been quoted as giving an account of her conversation where Michael complained of both being hot and cold at the same time.
Did it just not occur to him at all what the hell he was asking for? That he be surgically sedated and did it never occur to him that it could be dangerous? Michael could not be so innocent to have never thought of the dangers. 
probably was desperate to sleep. | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: It seems (withholding derogatory name for MJ fans out of respect) MJ fans are ignoring the fact that Michael Jackson asked for propofol. Not just from Dr. murray but at least one other person, the nurse who's been quoted as giving an account of her conversation where Michael complained of both being hot and cold at the same time.
Did it just not occur to him at all what the hell he was asking for? That he be surgically sedated and did it never occur to him that it could be dangerous? Michael could not be so innocent to have never thought of the dangers.
probably was desperate to sleep. Would you go into surgery like conditions every night or would you seek some other help? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: BoOTyLiCioUs said:
probably was desperate to sleep. Would you go into surgery like conditions every night or would you seek some other help?  | |
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