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Thread started 09/01/09 5:03am

Sandino

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Bob Dylan:What's the big deal?

I've hear some of his songs and heard snippets of some of his interviews whenever he was on 60 minutes or w/e. Forgive me for being ignorant but what's the appeal? poor voice, incoherent lyrics(he said he was just writing songs, and that people read into it), standard rock chords. can someone inform me?
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Reply #1 posted 09/01/09 5:11am

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Sandino said:

I've hear some of his songs and heard snippets of some of his interviews whenever he was on 60 minutes or w/e. Forgive me for being ignorant but what's the appeal? poor voice, incoherent lyrics(he said he was just writing songs, and that people read into it), standard rock chords. can someone inform me?

I think a lot of his appeal comes from beinging a critics darling but he definately has had his fair share of fans that have kept him popular for a long time. You almost can't deny the fact that he is at least very cleaver in his lyrics and writes about the world we live in with a unique perspective. It's understandable that he is very hated. His music can be very uncommercial and of course his voice is pretty strange. I'm a fan but not a crazed one. I own the 3 disc "Dylan" set released a few years back (bought it right before seeing him at Eastern Michigan live) and I do want to explore more but so far have only bought "Modern Times" (his latest studio album at the time).
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Reply #2 posted 09/02/09 8:06am

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the guy is 68 and still making great records (around 34 studio releases)

here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan

still touring too and he always has a great band with him

hope we can say the same thing about prince 15 years from now
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Reply #3 posted 09/02/09 8:51am

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I'm not familiar with Dylan outside of his bigger hits, and I don't own any of his material, but Stevie Wonder and Sam Cooke had a massive amount of respect for him, as do a lot of other artists, so that's good enough for me.

Maybe it's the fact that he isn't an overproduced, powerful-voiced belter that is his selling point.
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Reply #4 posted 09/02/09 10:00am

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His voice isn't wonderful, it's true. But that was never why people dug him. Dylan was and still is one of the best lyricists in modern music.

Personally, I never felt anything he said/sang was incomprehensible. Maybe the rest of y'all just need to turn your hearing aids up. razz
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Reply #5 posted 09/02/09 11:21am

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A whole lot of people dig his voice. even now there's much more depth and sophistication in his vocal style than whitney or Maria ever had
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I've got a pretty firm grip on the obvious!
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Reply #6 posted 09/02/09 11:58am

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japanrocks said:

the guy is 68 and still making great records (around 34 studio releases)

here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan

still touring too and he always has a great band with him

Don't see him live! shake Truly, truly horrible (incoherent; changed-to-the-point-of-being-unrecognizable arrangements of most songs; zero acknowledgement of the audience).

Has written some great songs. My current faves are "Highlands" and "Not Dark Yet", from Time Out of Mind.
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Reply #7 posted 09/02/09 12:10pm

PPKING

Rightly said:

A whole lot of people dig his voice. even now there's much more depth and sophistication in his vocal style than whitney or Maria ever had



ROFL Stop smoking!

When was the last time you seen´ve him singing live?

I was at a concert with a friend in April this year. He gave a concert in Berlin. And it sucked big time.
His voice is a freaking joke I had a really hard time not to laugh during the whole concert-comedy at his best. His voice is horrible I mean really horrible!
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Reply #8 posted 09/02/09 1:13pm

Rightly

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PPKING said:

Rightly said:

A whole lot of people dig his voice. even now there's much more depth and sophistication in his vocal style than whitney or Maria ever had



ROFL Stop smoking!

When was the last time you seen´ve him singing live?

I was at a concert with a friend in April this year. He gave a concert in Berlin. And it sucked big time.
His voice is a freaking joke I had a really hard time not to laugh during the whole concert-comedy at his best. His voice is horrible I mean really horrible!

lol. you're an idiot!
small circles, big wheels!
I've got a pretty firm grip on the obvious!
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Reply #9 posted 09/02/09 1:20pm

PPKING

Rightly said:

PPKING said:




ROFL Stop smoking!

When was the last time you seen´ve him singing live?

I was at a concert with a friend in April this year. He gave a concert in Berlin. And it sucked big time.
His voice is a freaking joke I had a really hard time not to laugh during the whole concert-comedy at his best. His voice is horrible I mean really horrible!

lol. you're an idiot!


LOL It´s just if I want comedy I go to a professional trained comedian and not to an old man sucking big time while trying to sing.
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Reply #10 posted 09/02/09 1:34pm

PPKING

PPKING said:[quote]

Rightly said:

A whole lot of people dig his voice.


A whole lot of people dig their on piss and drink it-so? cool lol
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Reply #11 posted 09/02/09 5:09pm

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PPKING said:[quote]

PPKING said:

Rightly said:

A whole lot of people dig his voice.


A whole lot of people dig their on piss and drink it-so? cool lol
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Let's hear you sing. I bet you've got pipes of dulcet tones that would make angels weep.
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Reply #12 posted 09/02/09 5:18pm

PPKING

meow85 said:

PPKING said:



A whole lot of people dig their on piss and drink it-so? cool lol
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Let's hear you sing.



Welcome to kindergarten. Are you serious? Why should I sing ? For what?

It has nothing to do with Bob sounding like shit. Since when I´m responsible for Bob sounding horrible???? Did I miss something?? lol
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Reply #13 posted 09/02/09 5:20pm

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PPKING said:

meow85 said:


Let's hear you sing.



Welcome to kindergarten. Are you serious? Why should I sing ? For what?

It has nothing to do with Bob sounding like shit. Since when I´m responsible for Bob sounding horrible???? Did I miss something?? lol

Thought so.
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Reply #14 posted 09/02/09 6:05pm

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Reply #15 posted 09/02/09 6:07pm

trueiopian

He sounds like a cow in pain!
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Reply #16 posted 09/02/09 6:31pm

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...by the way this album is G R E A T
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Reply #17 posted 09/02/09 6:36pm

Graycap23

I've NEVER understood his appeal. Never will.
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Reply #18 posted 09/02/09 6:44pm

NDRU

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Sandino said:

I've hear some of his songs and heard snippets of some of his interviews whenever he was on 60 minutes or w/e. Forgive me for being ignorant but what's the appeal? poor voice, incoherent lyrics(he said he was just writing songs, and that people read into it), standard rock chords. can someone inform me?


Yes he was just writing songs, but how is a person not supposed to read into a line like "the answer, my friend, is blowin in the wind?"

It's one of the greatest lines of 20th century poetry.
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Reply #19 posted 09/02/09 6:50pm

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But his stuff is an acquired taste. I certainly didn't like it right away. I remember hearing him first on We are the World, and just laughing. I couldn't believe anyone sang like that.

Meow said his voice is true, and she's right about that. For people who are looking for feeling & truth in their music, singers like Dylan or Tom Waits fit that bill, despite not having beautiful clean voices. Pretty singers like Celine Dion are so much frosting, but they don't have any substance or weight. But that is something you either hear or you don't. It can't really be explained.
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Reply #20 posted 09/02/09 6:57pm

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But his stuff is an acquired taste. I certainly didn't like it right away. I remember hearing him first on We are the World, and just laughing. I couldn't believe anyone sang like that.

Meow said his voice is true, and she's right about that. For people who are looking for feeling & truth in their music, singers like Dylan or Tom Waits fit that bill, despite not having beautiful clean voices. Pretty singers like Celine Dion are so much frosting, but they don't have any substance or weight. But that is something you either hear or you don't. It can't really be explained.

Interesting that U mention Tom. I dig his music and singing.
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Reply #21 posted 09/02/09 6:59pm

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NDRU said:


But that is something you either hear or you don't. It can't really be explained.



exactly right.

Dylan changed the rules for rock music. He is peerless as a lyricist and his voice conveys incredible meaning through his inflections and phrasing. And at his peak, he was a remarkable vocalist.

Now, sadly, his voice is ruined. I can't even listen to his current shows, it's pretty bad.

here's an article i did on my favorite Dylan album, "Highway 61 Revisited"

http://www.nbcwashington....sited.html
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Reply #22 posted 09/02/09 7:04pm

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I think his voice has aged well. I have about 15 Dylan CD's and he is my favorite lyricist of all time. As far as seeing him live, it is hit and miss. I am going to see him for the sixth time Oct. 10 at the Greek Theatre in Berkeley. I have seen him 3 times when he was great and twice when he was terrible. There is no in between, he is either incredible or he is horrible. I am hoping for a great show in October.
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Reply #23 posted 09/02/09 7:04pm

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I am not a Bob Dylan-fan myself.

But as others said, i think his appeal lies first of all in his lyrics, and second, in his songwriting abilities.
His voice might be something to get used to / an acquired taste, but the hundreds (or probably thousands) of (often great) versions of his songs by others, show he is a very gifted songwriter.

Coming back to his voice: His voice is not my favourite voice either, but very often I see people on the org equal 'good or great vocals' to so-called technical abilities (reaching a certain number of octaves: Shitney Houston, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey) or the ability of singers to 'polish' their delivery (George Michael, Luther Vandross). Like singing is some kind of contest in techninal issues.
Isnt singing in the first place about expressing your soul and ideas? And about succeeding with delivering your message, how technically 'limited' your octave range might be?
Dylan might not be a technically impressive singer, but his delivery 'fits' his lyrics and music and I take him ANY day above the empty showing-off of someone like Mariah Carey.
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Reply #24 posted 09/02/09 7:26pm

NDRU

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Graycap23 said:

NDRU said:

But his stuff is an acquired taste. I certainly didn't like it right away. I remember hearing him first on We are the World, and just laughing. I couldn't believe anyone sang like that.

Meow said his voice is true, and she's right about that. For people who are looking for feeling & truth in their music, singers like Dylan or Tom Waits fit that bill, despite not having beautiful clean voices. Pretty singers like Celine Dion are so much frosting, but they don't have any substance or weight. But that is something you either hear or you don't. It can't really be explained.

Interesting that U mention Tom. I dig his music and singing.


Me, too, but I remember a friend stating in no uncertain terms that he was NOT a good singer because he didn't meet the standard requirements of "voice, pitch, phrasing, rhythm..."

What can you say to that? "I guess you're right and now I hate his singing?" lol

The funny thing is, looking back the only thing Tom Waits is maybe lacking out of those things is voice, and his voice is interesting if not pure & pretty.
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Reply #25 posted 09/02/09 7:33pm

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NDRU said:

Graycap23 said:


Interesting that U mention Tom. I dig his music and singing.


Me, too, but I remember a friend stating in no uncertain terms that he was NOT a good singer because he didn't meet the standard requirements of "voice, pitch, phrasing, rhythm..."

What can you say to that? "I guess you're right and now I hate his singing?" lol

The funny thing is, looking back the only thing Tom Waits is maybe lacking out of those things is voice, and his voice is interesting if not pure & pretty.
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I can "feel" Tom but Dylan is not doing a thing 4 me on any level.
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Reply #26 posted 09/02/09 7:44pm

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Graycap23 said:

NDRU said:



Me, too, but I remember a friend stating in no uncertain terms that he was NOT a good singer because he didn't meet the standard requirements of "voice, pitch, phrasing, rhythm..."

What can you say to that? "I guess you're right and now I hate his singing?" lol

The funny thing is, looking back the only thing Tom Waits is maybe lacking out of those things is voice, and his voice is interesting if not pure & pretty.
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I can "feel" Tom but Dylan is not doing a thing 4 me on any level.


I love Dylan, but I don't knock anyone for not getting him. He's sort of like hard alcohol. If someone wants to say whiskey tastes bad, who am I to argue with them?
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Reply #27 posted 09/02/09 7:53pm

Graycap23

NDRU said:

Graycap23 said:


I can "feel" Tom but Dylan is not doing a thing 4 me on any level.


I love Dylan, but I don't knock anyone for not getting him. He's sort of like hard alcohol. If someone wants to say whiskey tastes bad, who am I to argue with them?

Lol.....I don't drink either.
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Reply #28 posted 09/02/09 8:03pm

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He is not a pop singer (you wont have a "correct" voice for pop, like McCartney´s or MJ´s)

He is not a rock singer either

He is closer to a mixture of blues and country singer imo
(he is closer to the rolling stones than to the beatles)
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Reply #29 posted 09/02/09 8:20pm

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NDRU said:

But his stuff is an acquired taste. I certainly didn't like it right away. I remember hearing him first on We are the World, and just laughing. I couldn't believe anyone sang like that.

Meow said his voice is true, and she's right about that. For people who are looking for feeling & truth in their music, singers like Dylan or Tom Waits fit that bill, despite not having beautiful clean voices. Pretty singers like Celine Dion are so much frosting, but they don't have any substance or weight. But that is something you either hear or you don't. It can't really be explained.

nod

Too many performers and music listeners think all it takes to be a good singer is to have a pitch-perfect voice and nothing else. Certain singers, like IMO Whitney, Beyonce, Christina, and others have GREAT voices by that definition, but they sing without conviction.

Many of the best singers I know of don't have textbook "good" voices, but they sing with truth and real emotion. They sing so you believe what they're saying. That's worth more as a vocalist than being able to hit every note.

So what if Bob Dylan moans through his nose? (and he does!) He wrote his own music and he believes in what he's saying, and it comes through in his voice. Even vocalists who may not have written the song but sing as if it were their own mean more than those who belt out a song without feeling it.
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