You guys are COLD!

I'm not trying to justify what he did, nor am I saying he didn't do anything. My only point is that the man is gone and, after all, that was their father. Everyone has skeletons in their closet.

Besides, none of us knew the man. We are only judging him by what we have heard/read.

daPrettyman said:

I'm still suprised at how angry people getting. Acting like this the first time somebody in the industry was abused by their parent(s). Ok so he passed away...like somebody said if it wasnt for him the DeBarges would have never exsisted. Maybe that was his only calling to Earth. Maybe it was to overcome those abuses to his children. God created his life to be the way it was before he got to Earth. Yeah he abused them which is very wrong. Everyone in the entire world has challenges to go through some bad and some are worse. It is life and we all have to go through it. Whats done is done and its up to the individual to chnge their own life and make it a better experience for the next.

Child abuse is despicable anyway regardless, I do hope he found some solace though.

paisleypark4 said:

Well said.

paisleypark4 said:

If you're saying his only calling to Earth was creating those kids, I guess I can see your point. It's kinda funny because even without the abuse, I feel the DeBarge family would've still been singing anyway.

paisleypark4 said:

The fact that he has died makes no difference to me, one way or the other. My contempt for him is the same as it would be for anyone that could sexually molest a child, ESPECIALLY their own child!

DesireeNevermind said:

Unlike Joe Jackson I don't think Robert Debarge had a hand in his children careers. In one way Joe did a good thing by bringing his boys to the fore front, it's just the way he went about it was wrong and in the end it seemed he was using his children, especially Michael has cash cows.

whatsgoingon said:

Wasn't he gone by the time the children got in the biz?

daPrettyman said:

No. He was the one that got his family in Las Vegas and he was still managing his daughters until 1987, 1988 when they were grown.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

How do you know that he didn't suffer for his transgressions before he left this earth?

Timmy84 said:

Thanks. Didn't know that.

daPrettyman said:

Yeah when the Jackson 5's music career was waning down, Joe felt like going to Vegas would be a career boost for not only his sons but his daughters. Randy was already performing regularly with his brothers while it was the first time Rebbie, La Toya and Janet performed. I think Janet fired him shortly before (or it was probably after) she released Control and of course La Toya switched from Joe to Jack Gordon. MJ fired Joe as his manager after 1979, Jermaine basically left Joe after he decided to stay in Motown in 1975, the other Jackson brothers fired him in 1982.
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Timmy84 said:

No, I thought we were talking about Robert Debarge being in his children's career. I knew Joe managed his.

daPrettyman said:

Huh? LOL The way you were talking I thought you were mentioning Joe, lol

Timmy84 said:

Yeah, we are all getting crazy in this thread. Robert is kicking our asses from beyond the grave.

daPrettyman said:

He ain't kicking my ass.

daPrettyman said:

I don't know if he did or didn't and don't much care. I do know his children suffered because of his transgressions and far more than he ever could before he left this earth!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

You don't know that. I've seen people that were just as bad (or maybe worse than this guy) suffer through illnesses and sicknesses.

I guess my point is that we don't know if God made him pay for his wrong doings before he left this earth. WE also don't know if his family hadn't forgiven him for his wrong doing. We aren't in their family, nor do we know the whole truth. It's matters like these that we have to leave in God's hands. We can't control them or make anything better for either party. If he burns in hell...it's God's will. If he made it to heaven....that was also God's will. All of that is between him and God.

DesireeNevermind said:

Exactly.

daPrettyman said:

None of us will ever know that. We dont know if soembody did the same horrible things to him when he was a kid wich is usually the case. However "suffering" is a human emotion not a spiritual creation. God created the feelings we have we cannot suffer as a spirit. Those are used for spiritual growth and experience. Ours is a infant knowledge of the depths the world, universe and beyond has to offer.
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daPrettyman said:

Actually, I do know that. I'm from Detroit, there have been stories going around the Detroit area for years about what was going on in that family. Some from family that lived it, some from family that observed, some from insiders and outsiders, just running off at the mouth, the point is, it wasn't a secret.

I'm certain he got what he had coming to him one way or another. The only reason I'm even in this conversation is because you keep trying to minimalise what he did by focusing on the physical abuse, saying stuff like "it was popular at the time" while dismissing the sexual and emotional abuse that his ex-wife and children insist occurred. That's what's disturbing me, I give less than shit about Robert DeBarge, Sr. and that's for real.

Imagine how el feels while in jail.

destinyc1 said:

I was just thinking about El after I heard this.

destinyc1 said:

oh gawd i hope he's alright and keeping his distance from them permaprison pervs.

I was watchin that episode of Unsung and they said that when Bobby was in a coma on his deathbed, his father came in and whispered something to his ear, and then Bobby suddenly died. Why for some reason do I feel he told Bobby something to the effect of "fuck off"???

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

You just contradicted your own statement. You DO NOT know. You are only going by gossip. Therefore, you do not have first hand info. When you get first hand info, I'll leave it alone. I'm not trying to justify anything but the fact that we DON'T KNOW.

If you are a member of the family or saw him first hand, you don't know it's a fact. That's Journalism 101.
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daPrettyman said:

Since you are trying to give me Journalism lessons, shouldn't the word I highlighted be "Unless"?

At any rate, my condolences are with the family and I hope THEY are finally at peace.

Prospect said:

I used to think that but then I considered the possibility that the mere presence of Robert is what sent Bobby Jr over the edge. Shiit if I was dying and someone who violated me all throughout my childhood dared show his face to me I'm either gonna croak on the spot or suddenly get healed and wail on his ass!!!

DesireeNevermind said:

Girl you are CRAZY!!!

Chic35 said:

Y'all ain't right!

But I have to agree with both DesireeNevermind and Prospect, to a certain extent. I think the dirty ol' bag, that was Robert DeBarge, Sr., whispered something in Bobby Jr.'s ear, that sent him over because he whispered something so vile, that Bobby, Jr. even in his most weakest moment, was trying his hardest to get up and kick that motherfucker's ass!!!