Also leave Q alone.

Superstition said:

Personally, I've said that I'm a huge Q fan many times before I tackle this subject and I still say it. The problem is mostly in the timing of these statements, it looks bad, even if he didn't mean it to sound the way it does. It looks like a guy taking potshots, vindictively at a guy who died the very day before. Why couldn't he say all that negative sounding shit while the man could respond? Or even hear what Quincy's cheap shots would be? Some have said Quincy said those kinds of things before and that he just is a straight shooter, bullshit. Miles Davis said it perfectly when he said "Quincy is good at putting on a fake face, me, I'm stuck with this one". Q is a charmer, a communicator who's greatest gift is his social facility, in all my years of studying him, he's never said anything close to the bile he spewed in the days after Michael died. Now, my theory was, well, maybe he's angry because he loved Michael so much. I mean, I've gotten angry at people I love when they do stupid shit too. Either way, it's dissapointing. I've been let down by my mentors before, nothing hurts more, glad michael didn't have to hear that stuff anyway.

mozfonky said:

He's senile. You see that? Come on, how will Mike have felt if Q was saying "he was doing chemical peels"? lol

Then again if even his "trusted" collaborators say he's two-faced, then that ain't scary, some people really feel that way.
[Edited 9/23/09 0:55am]

murph said:

Oh you mean in general? Well look, my thing with Quincy is I feel there were times he could've supported him and in my opinion, it's like when it came to the time he went to trial, Quincy basically said he didn't wanna deal with him. I never got the deal with their relationship. And we know Quincy played an important role as a producer of Mike's albums but some of his actions recently showed me he wasn't really there with Mike as you would think, you know? I don't mean harm on the old man, but I have to call it like I see it.

Timmy84 said:

His close collaborators say he's two faced?? Not that I doubt you, tell me who please. He reminds me so much of my old mentor, moves, talks, sounds like him. Hard to dislike anyone who has such smooth lines of bullshit. I learned after years that my mentor cared about two things mainly, his ego, and money, the rest was window dressing. That was a huge lesson for me. So I don't doubt what you say. But I always felt on the whole that Q was a very talented and generally a good man. But, however, I wouldn't question it, if he was just as much a pig as my mentor turned out to be. Also, I didn't get the impression he was senile, he's definitely old but incredibly alert and knowledgable. I sat through an hour long commencement speech he gave a year ago. Very entertaining and interesting, however, he did tend to go off on tangents, but I didn't put that down to senility, but just how old (and sometimes creative people too) have really meandering, loosely associated thoughts. It was so cute when one of the graduates said to her friends afterwards "I was thinking, what are you talking about Mr Jones?"
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mozfonky said:

Stevie Wonder is one of the greatest lyricists and minds I've seen and 9 out of 10 times if you ask him a question you're going to get everything except for the answer. And he's only 59, but he's been that way for thirty years.

So yeah, who knows.

murph said:

Homie..LOL.



Scary meaning a man like Quincy in his 80’s dating a 18 years old girl

Scary meaning a man like Quincy not going to the funeral of a friend because he was going to south of France…pathetic excuse.

Scary meaning some HATERS want to give Quincy all the credits when Mj was the one who wrote his hits , create the melodies and wrote the lyrics( People don’t want to give Mj a credit for anything despite his death)

Scary meaning a man like Quincy saying that Mj didn’t want to be black, daring to say this after his death when the man is no longer with us to defend himself.

You are saying. HONESTY? Honesty my ass , why he wasn’t honest when Mj was alive, why he didn’t say mj didn’t want to be black when he was alive, he is simply a two-faced character.


Mj is dead and Its really mind-blowing to see these statements coming from him, especially when Mj never ever insulted him in anyway through his entire career, Mj had always something nice to say about Quincy…..always, Now, I don’t think anyone denied Quincy’s touch On Mj’s records but you have to keep in mind that Mj wrote the songs, so that Quincy is not an angel himself, as people has the right always to criticize MJ and rip him to shreds , people also have the right to criticize Quincy.

Superstition said:

Come on you guys, don't bait me. What did stevie say??

Also, credit will be duly recieved. Michael has already been called things in death that no one called him in life, generally "The Greatest Entertainer Who Ever Lived". That's a lot of credit, and you know what?? It might even be true, but I, as an even bigger fan of Elvis, a huge fan of Sammy, Frank, Prince, Bruce, am a little jealous even though it may damned well be true. No one had that presence, I think that was his curse too. People used to say you could feel Elvis before you saw him, that's what I'm talking about, a spiritual power that only a few have, Michael was riveting even when he was fucking up. I think that's one of the most shocking things about his death, he seemed so godlike and I hate to say that but he had so much charisma it was ridiculous.

I'm not taking sides in this Quincy/Michael debate but are you guys aware that in 1984,just before the Grammys,Michael tried to have Quincy's name removed from the "Producer of the Year" nomination? Michael told a close associate,"People will think that HE did all the work" Instead of sharing the credit,Michael wanted to take all the credit,and downplay Quincy's involvement.

This shocker was revealed just a few years ago,in Walter Yetnikoff's tell-all book.Quincy didn't know about it in 1984.Could this be the reason why Quincy turned on MJ in recent years?

SoulAlive said:

Sad, very sad, but true. People still think of him as a puppet. Some people still think Elvis was just a creation of the colonel. Who cares in the end, they will be in the history books as two of the best.

mozfonky said:

Agreed, love him or hate him, no one can deny that he was more than a pop star, MJ was, like ELVIS and THE BEATLES - a cultural phenomenon, a SUPERNOVA - that sets them apart from the rest - and that's no disrespect to THE CHAIRMAN, THE BOSS or H.R.B.

SoulAlive said:

Well, is it possible Michael might just have been telling the truth? To be honest I don’t see the supposed greatness in Quincy’s work on those albums anyway. I think the production on Destiny and Triumph (not to mention Dangerous and History/BOTDF) are just as great quality as Off The Wall and Thriller. Actually I prefer both those Jacksons albums over Michael’s first two solo ones.

Arnotts said:

So,you really think that MJ produced 'Thriller' all by himself....that Quincy just walked into the studio,sat down and read the newspaper while Michael created the album all by himself?

Yes,Michael wrote several songs on his own,but Quincy picked the musicians,recruited songwriters (such as Rod Temperton),solicited songs from outside sources (such as "Human Nature"),selected dozens of songs for Michael to demo,and oversaw the actual recording of the songs by the musicians.I don't think it's fair to downplay his hard work on this landmark album.

A producer does more than create the sound, he also coaches performance and guides. Elvis would never have realized his gifts had it not been for the genius of non=musician Sam Philips. Quincy deserves his due, in my mind, off the wall and thriller are vintage michael, he would never be better, even though he did some great work throughout his life. Dangerous was a solid, solid album but Michael tried to repeat himself to often at that point, not that that's bad, because the songs are great, but just not spontaneous. YOu know, the song like Billy Jean, the guitar song, he did it on bad too. Good stuff but Dirty Diana is not a beat it, Just Good Friends is not a The Girl is Mine etc..,

SoulAlive said:

There were reports that Quincy didn't like that Michael was getting alot of credit in the media for Thriller



I think that's when the tension began...
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mozfonky said:

Nothing in general, I just meant that rambling, having a loose tongue and going on tangents doesn't necessarily mean you're senile, unless Stevie's been senile since the age of 23 or so.

Also, while we're on the subject of Q, he did his part. Both sides created the magic. Giving too much credit to MJ or too much credit to Q is just short-changing one or the other. Since I'm talking about both Stevie and Q, "I Can't Help It" is a real gem and a perfect example of Q's talent. That song was more of a jazzy, smooth ballad when Stevie gave the track away, and when Q did what he wanted with it, the song became more of a dark, rhythmic R&B track.

And MJ himself was a great producer. It's important to note that Dangerous outsold Bad and that album was heavily produced by MJ. I hope "This Is It" sheds some light on his directing and producing stuff to his liking.
[Edited 9/23/09 8:21am]

murph said:

I agree

seeingvoices12 said:[quote]

murph said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Again, you are my boy...We are cool...But do you know how crazy you sound talking about someone's private life when you are a fan of Michael Jackson, who right or wrong, saw his great musical legacy tarnished by some of his personal decisions....Let's not be so delusional...Let's leave private life out of this...

seeingvoices12 said:

I think I explained Q's rationale pretty well....When you are closing in on your 80s and almost all your friends have passed away over the last 10 years, it's no surprise that the man has had enough death in his life...But really, all this means little, right? Because Quincy was indeed at the funeral...And again, who knows why he decided to go...We don't know if Janet or Katherine Jackson asked him to come...We don't know if he changed his mind at the last minute....

seeingvoices12 said:

So, what does this have to do with Quincy Jones?...Is he forcing the "haters" to say such things...And are you really a hater if you simply state that Q had an important role in MJ's transformation from talented child star to superstar adult?...I think the answer is somewhere in between....

seeingvoices12 said:

I guess there are throngs of people who share Q's scary opinion, including myself Again, the thing that a lot of hardcore MJ fans don't seem to get is it's quite possible to be a fan of an artist like MJ and be honest about him at the same time...I'm a huge fan of Prince...Yet, I know the man is an grade-A asshole...I'm a fan of Miles Davis...Yet I know that the man was one of the rudest assholes, who also beat one of his wives...You get where I'm going with this?

By The Way, it's been well documented that one of the reasons for Q and MJ's fallout, along with problems with their business/musical relationship, was Q's blatant honesty with Mike's plastic surgery while he was alive....

seeingvoices12 said:

Again, the mistake you are making is not understanding that Q did tell MJ that he was going off the deep in with many of his personal choices, including his obsession with plastic surgery...And we all know what happens when folks have tried to talk to MJ about some of the career-destroying decisions he was making...MJ tunes them out...He did the same with his most closest sibling Janet when she attempted to do a drug intervention for the man....MJ didn't like being told he was wrong about anything...He had nothing by "Yes Men" around him....

seeingvoices12 said:

Who said Q is an angel?....All I'm saying you guys sound nuts going after a man nearing the end of his life....I think it's best for hardcore MJ fans to not blame Q for what some people are saying about Mike's involvement in his own albums...Unless Q is forcing these folks to say such things, he has nothing to do with it...

Again, MJ's death does not give some hardcore fans the right to go crazy...Because that's what I'm seeing here...And yeah, it's getting scary...
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UNRELEASED MICHAEL JACKSON SONG "THIS IS IT"
TO BE UNVEILED OCTOBER 12TH

SONY MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT TO RELEASE TWO DISC ALBUM WITH MUSIC INSPIRED BY THE SONY PICTURES FILM MICHAEL JACKSON’S THIS IS IT ON OCTOBER 26TH/27TH

On October 12th, the first new Michael Jackson song to emerge since the world mourned the loss of this musical icon will be released – a brand new single entitled "This Is It." Soon after, Sony Music Entertainment's Columbia/Epic Label Group will release the two-disc album This Is It featuring the music that inspired Sony Pictures’ forthcoming film MICHAEL JACKSON’S THIS IS IT. This two-disc album will be available internationally on October 26th and North America on October 27th to coincide with the worldwide release of the motion picture which arrives in theaters on October 28th and runs for a limited two-week engagement.
"This song only defines, once again, what the world already knows - that Michael is one of God's greatest gifts," comments John McClain, co-producer of the album.

P.S. I think it's time to start Part 13
[Edited 9/23/09 10:28am]

Umm..Marlon?

bboy87 said:

Who'll start it?

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

you

bboy87 said:

Oh you putting me on the spot, huh?

Timmy84 said:

you have to, I ain't doin' it

bboy87 said:

Go to the link now.

bboy87 said:

I am always so busy staring at MIke that I didn´t even notice Marlon till you pointed it out.

dag said: