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Reply #1530 posted 09/17/09 3:56pm

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StillDirrty said:

I'm sorry but Michael reminds me of this in that Human Nature clip. He is THAT skinny.


He looks sick and skeleton like
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Reply #1531 posted 09/17/09 4:01pm

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Jackson Estate Scores Deal on "This is It"
Posted Sep 17th 2009 5:28PM by TMZ Staff

We've learned lawyers for Michael Jackson's estate went to court today and the probate judge gave permission for them to strike a deal with Sony Music for the production and distribution of a soundtrack album in connection with the "This is It" film release.

Sources say Sony and the estate have reached an agreement.
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Reply #1532 posted 09/17/09 4:06pm

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EXCLUSIVE DOCUMENTS: Michael Jackson’s Doctor Says He Has Evidence To Put People In PrisonEXCLUSIVE DOCUMENTS: Michael Jackson’s Doctor Says He Has Evidence To Put People In Prison


Dr Steven Hoefflin, Michael Jackson’s former plastic surgeon, has released a statement in response to the lawsuit being brought against him by Dr. Arnold Klein for defamation of character, claiming it’s part of a larger conspiracy. In addition, RadarOnline.com has obtained secret documents revealing the behind-the-scenes war between Hoefflin, various lawyers and Klein.

The documents include nasty email exchanges between Hoefflin and lawyers and also what purports to be a handwritten note from Katherine Jackson authorizing Hoefflin to talk to the press and correct false information. Other documents from Katherine’s people say she never gave that permission.

Click here to read the documentshttp://www.radaronline.co...6.09_0.pdf

There’s even a handwritten note from Michael Jackson in 1999 authorizing Hoefflin to use the pop star’s medical records to dispel misinformation.

Click here to read Hoefflin’s letter filled with outrageous chargeshttp://www.radaronline.co...tter12.pdf

Hoefflin claims to have had his life threatened because “members of law enforcement know that I possess abundant incriminating evidence [regarding the Jackson death] that is going to put a lot of people in prison.”

In his lengthy statement Hoefflin claims people are colluding, with the police “to use false documents to threaten me, obstruct my independent investigation into Michael’s death and to stop me from providing evidence to the proper authorities.”

He claims Colin Powell is a friend of his, and that he has called and left messages at the house of the retired General and former Secretary of State, asking him to “engage a congressional investigation into all of the LAPD and Los Angeles Sheriff Department Law Enforcement Corruption in Los Angeles that is taking place in the Michael Jackson and other important investigations that is ruining our city.”

Hoefflin says that he is an established Government Witness in the Jackson death investigation and that Dr. Arnold Klein and his attorneys are “attempting to prevent me from discussing incriminating evidence that I possess on Dr. Klein.”

Hoefflin claims that Klein’s lawsuit against him is frivolous and that he expects the Attorney General of California himself, Jerry Brown, to end the lawsuit.


http://www.radaronline.co...put-people
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Reply #1533 posted 09/17/09 4:26pm

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He was thin, but I think some people are seriously over-analyzing these brief bits of footage. It's been 12 years since his last tour and like, 18 years since that footage of him rehearsing for the Dangerous tour was shot.
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Reply #1534 posted 09/17/09 4:47pm

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Superstition said:

He was thin, but I think some people are seriously over-analyzing these brief bits of footage. It's been 12 years since his last tour and like, 18 years since that footage of him rehearsing for the Dangerous tour was shot.

i'm glad you sai that cuz i was thinking the same..
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Reply #1535 posted 09/17/09 5:22pm

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murph said:

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I don't know...

Quincy once said that he and Michael weren't really friends, just business associates

he also said he didn't know Michael, he knew the music....
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And yet I've read many interviews where Quincy has said MJ was like a son to him...Let's be real here...MJ and Q had a complicated relationship...And many of the negative stuff that was said (MJ has been on record from friends with some pretty dismissive comments about Q) was done so in the '90s after the two had falling out after the Bad album...Indeed, their relationship was rocky, but they publicly still stated their love and respect for each other in later years...

All this to say that I've seen this Quincy-really-didn't-do-shit talk before...But usually it was found on MJ fan boards...For years the more hardcore MJ fans have attempted to take credit away from Q's impact on MJ's career...Frankly it's getting a little tired....

Q was a great producer...And he had a huge impact on MJ becoming the global superstar we know today just as much as MJ helped Quincy become a superstar producer beyond his days as a jazz, early pop, and soul producer....

I agree.

Quincy was a great producer, it's annoying to see Quincy get bashed BUT it's also annoying to see people say that he did everything and that Michael was just the singer. I've seen people on this very board say that Quincy was probably the one who wrote Billie Jean and other songs lol

Quincy had a role and he filled it well and Michael did his part also well. I think certain things get exaggerated but in the end, their team made awesome music

I don't know about Quincy no longer censoring himself. He made some comments (which I posted) when Michael was ALIVE that were questionable but then the whole stuff about Michael's kids are fucked up.
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Reply #1536 posted 09/17/09 5:36pm

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Bboy,lets change the subject...

There are rumors that Mj filmed several unreleased music videos? Is that true? I know about the One more chance video, do you think there are others?
MICHAEL JACKSON
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مايكل جاكسون للأبد
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Reply #1537 posted 09/17/09 5:39pm

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seeingvoices12 said:

Bboy,lets change the subject...

There are rumors that Mj filmed several unreleased music videos? Is that true? I know about the One more chance video, do you think there are others?

that would be awsome.michael was/is full of surprises so ya never know
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Reply #1538 posted 09/17/09 5:44pm

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Katherine Jackson Receiving $86K Monthly from Son's Estate
By Ken Lee


September 17

Michael Jackson's mother and the singer's three children are being well taken care of, financially speaking, after the singer's death.

Court documents released Thursday in Los Angeles show that Katherine Jackson is receiving $86,804 per month from her son's estate to support herself and her three grandchildren. A judge approved the payments last month.

The documents state that Katherine, 79, had been financially dependent on her son during his life, and that for years, Michael had paid for all her living expenses at the Jackson family's Encino, Calif., home.

Lawyers for the singer's estate also estimated his total assets exceeds $500 million, and that future business agreements bearing Michael Jackson's name could generate "tens of millions of dollars."

Katherine Jackson has been named permanent guardian of the three grandchildren. All four are primary beneficiaries under the singer's will, including some unnamed charities.


http://www.people.com/peo...31,00.html
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Reply #1539 posted 09/17/09 7:23pm

StillDirrty

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Bboy,lets change the subject...

There are rumors that Mj filmed several unreleased music videos? Is that true? I know about the One more chance video, do you think there are others?

Was Dangerous ever released? I heard that it was directed by David Lynch.
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Reply #1540 posted 09/17/09 7:34pm

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He was thin, but I think some people are seriously over-analyzing these brief bits of footage. It's been 12 years since his last tour and like, 18 years since that footage of him rehearsing for the Dangerous tour was shot.


So? Even when he did those photo shoots in 07 he wasn't this skinny. Even during the trial he had more weight on him than this.
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Reply #1541 posted 09/17/09 7:36pm

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Dangerous wasn't released as a video.

There are probably dozens of unreleased things of MJ. Tons of performances. The Destiny/Triumph, Victory, Bad and HIStory tours have never had an official release. Only an official live recording of Destiny/Triumph tour and a bootleg Bad tour album and video. Lots of bootlegged HIStory tour video. But nothing beats an official release.

A few muddy tracks of Freddie Mercury/MJ leaked, but supposedly they recorded the title track to the Victory album which remains unreleased.

Captain EO, The making of Thriller and Moonwalker all need an official stateside DVD release.

The Dangerous Tour rehearsals were 100% live and were recorded. It's not much to look at, but if more footage was shot than what we've seen, that could be worth seeing.

30th Anniversary Show needs an official release, along with unaired footage.

I'm just really looking forward to the This Is It movie, album and DVD/Blu-Ray release.
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Reply #1542 posted 09/17/09 7:46pm

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Superstition said:

Dangerous wasn't released as a video.

There are probably dozens of unreleased things of MJ. Tons of performances. The Destiny/Triumph, Victory, Bad and HIStory tours have never had an official release. Only an official live recording of Destiny/Triumph tour and a bootleg Bad tour album and video. Lots of bootlegged HIStory tour video. But nothing beats an official release.

A few muddy tracks of Freddie Mercury/MJ leaked, but supposedly they recorded the title track to the Victory album which remains unreleased.

Captain EO, The making of Thriller and Moonwalker all need an official stateside DVD release.

The Dangerous Tour rehearsals were 100% live and were recorded. It's not much to look at, but if more footage was shot than what we've seen, that could be worth seeing.

30th Anniversary Show needs an official release, along with unaired footage.

I'm just really looking forward to the This Is It movie, album and DVD/Blu-Ray release.

Forget the rest These are the only things I want out of this whole mess , a DVD release of those tours and i'll be happy
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Reply #1543 posted 09/17/09 7:46pm

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StillDirrty said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Bboy,lets change the subject...

There are rumors that Mj filmed several unreleased music videos? Is that true? I know about the One more chance video, do you think there are others?

Was Dangerous ever released? I heard that it was directed by David Lynch.


You mean this vid? http://www.youtube.com/wa...ABW_91c_Xk

Or did Lynch actually do a full vid for the song?
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Reply #1544 posted 09/17/09 8:07pm

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‎"The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page
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Reply #1545 posted 09/17/09 8:37pm

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Movie: This Is It
Starring: Michael Jackson
Director: Kenny Ortega
Entertainment Weekly Fall Movie Preview 2009



In life, Michael Jackson was always a hot ticket.
Even the late-career concerts he had been scheduled to perform in London starting July 8 had sold out--all 50 of them.

Now, following the King of Pop's tragic death on June 25, fans are clamoring to see some of the hundreds of hours of rehearsal footage shot in L.A. in the weeks before he collapsed. They'll get their wish. Less than three weeks after Jackson's death, top Sony executives huddled to watch nearly 45 minutes of rehearsal video -- then paid $60 million for the rights to produce a posthumous concert film.

"It was jaw-dropping", said Sony vice chairman Jeff Blake. "It was as if you were at the concert. He looked amazing, and the performances were absolutely to his highest standard." Concert director Kenny Ortega is scrambilng to assemble a feature-length film, which will include 18 to 20 dance numbers as well as candid moments Jackson shared with his dancers and various friends who stopped by rehearsals.

The studio is also working out technical details to try to include 3-D vignettes Jackson hoped to project on screens during the shows, including one set to "Thriller".

Concert goers were going to receive 3-D glasses. No word yet if moviegoers will, but either way, fans are in for an intimate experience.
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Reply #1546 posted 09/17/09 9:02pm

murph

seeingvoices12 said:

Bboy,lets change the subject...

There are rumors that Mj filmed several unreleased music videos? Is that true? I know about the One more chance video, do you think there are others?



Hey homie...You know when I have to see BS, I have to comment on it....It's all good though...
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Reply #1547 posted 09/17/09 9:14pm

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Reply #1548 posted 09/17/09 10:25pm

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carlcranshaw said:


why did you post this?

i actually watched the entir video lol
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Reply #1549 posted 09/17/09 10:42pm

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Timmy84 said:

Aww...



Poor Mike, I can see bones sticking out. sad
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JESUS CHRIST MICHAEL sad sad sad sad I just don't UNDER-STAND how anyone with eyes can carry on with rehearsal and not say Michael or Mr.Jackson you don't look well. are you okay ? etc and on top of that it's miraculous his body could withstand what he put it through dancing and sleep medication.
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Reply #1550 posted 09/18/09 1:14am

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Superstition said:

He was thin, but I think some people are seriously over-analyzing these brief bits of footage. It's been 12 years since his last tour and like, 18 years since that footage of him rehearsing for the Dangerous tour was shot.


So? Even when he did those photo shoots in 07 he wasn't this skinny. Even during the trial he had more weight on him than this.


He sure wasn't.
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Reply #1551 posted 09/18/09 3:20am

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purplesweat said:

Superstition said:

He was thin, but I think some people are seriously over-analyzing these brief bits of footage. It's been 12 years since his last tour and like, 18 years since that footage of him rehearsing for the Dangerous tour was shot.


So? Even when he did those photo shoots in 07 he wasn't this skinny. Even during the trial he had more weight on him than this.


Well, it's hard to tell when someone is wearing jeans and thin slacks and when they're decked out in a big suit as he was in 2007.

I'm not saying he wasn't thin, but I don't think he was deathly ill. All signs point to him dying from a drug overdose and it was probably unrelated to his weight. People are acting like he was a thin, frail old man and he died naturally of heart failure. It doesn't sound like he was going to last for long even if he was 75 pounds heavier. The doctor pumped him full of shit and he died.

Like I said, I'm not debating he was thin, I just think there's been exaggerations and over-analyzation of the clips.

Before he died, there were arguments about whether he was too thin or not, but fans were insisting he was healthy, strong, etc. and shooting down anyone who questioned his health. Now all of a sudden it's obvious to everyone he was knocking on death's door.
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Reply #1552 posted 09/18/09 4:01am

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Superstition said:

purplesweat said:



So? Even when he did those photo shoots in 07 he wasn't this skinny. Even during the trial he had more weight on him than this.


Well, it's hard to tell when someone is wearing jeans and thin slacks and when they're decked out in a big suit as he was in 2007.

I'm not saying he wasn't thin, but I don't think he was deathly ill. All signs point to him dying from a drug overdose and it was probably unrelated to his weight. People are acting like he was a thin, frail old man and he died naturally of heart failure. It doesn't sound like he was going to last for long even if he was 75 pounds heavier. The doctor pumped him full of shit and he died.

Like I said, I'm not debating he was thin, I just think there's been exaggerations and over-analyzation of the clips.

Before he died, there were arguments about whether he was too thin or not, but fans were insisting he was healthy, strong, etc. and shooting down anyone who questioned his health. Now all of a sudden it's obvious to everyone he was knocking on death's door.
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I agree again with superstition
I see the he is thin, but I am trying to look beyond that and see if i notice something else.
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Reply #1553 posted 09/18/09 4:06am

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Superstition said:

purplesweat said:



So? Even when he did those photo shoots in 07 he wasn't this skinny. Even during the trial he had more weight on him than this.


Well, it's hard to tell when someone is wearing jeans and thin slacks and when they're decked out in a big suit as he was in 2007.


You can't be serious, a "big" suit? falloff

I'm not saying he wasn't thin, but I don't think he was deathly ill. All signs point to him dying from a drug overdose and it was probably unrelated to his weight. People are acting like he was a thin, frail old man and he died naturally of heart failure. It doesn't sound like he was going to last for long even if he was 75 pounds heavier. The doctor pumped him full of shit and he died.


No one's saying he was deathly ill he just wasn't in good shape, especially not enough good shape to be performing (were the health check officials blind?). Yes, his death was seemingly unrelated to his weight but that doesn't mean he was healthy, either. That's not a healthy weight for anybody.

Like I said, I'm not debating he was thin, I just think there's been exaggerations and over-analyzation of the clips.


I don't. We all know full well what actually killed him. That doesn't stop alarm bells going off just for his general health at the time (and how it was obviously ignored by all the people around him ($$$$$)).

Before he died, there were arguments about whether he was too thin or not, but fans were insisting he was healthy, strong, etc. and shooting down anyone who questioned his health. Now all of a sudden it's obvious to everyone he was knocking on death's door.


I'm not seeing any fans admitting that. I'm seeing the fans still saying he looked great/healthy/still had it. I wonder what clip they saw cuz it can't be the same one I did!
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Reply #1554 posted 09/18/09 5:27am

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Jeebuz, good to see you know more about the situation than everyone who knew him personally. Bottom line: there's conflicting reports and people who knew Mike said "He was thin, but he looked healthy", and you're looking at 30 second clips and pics and saying that doctors are incorrect.

As far as the "big suit" comment.. clothes altering how thin/heavy someone looks. Crazy, huh? Why don't you look at how thin he was on the Jet cover. Thinner, tighter clothes displayed his thin frame. Not exactly a laughable scenario.

tangerine7 said:


I agree again with superstition
I see the he is thin, but I am trying to look beyond that and see if i notice something else.
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Yeah, me too. I mean, he was thin, but with his always-changing physical appearance, it's hard to gauge just how out of shape he was. It's plausible to me he was just thin but, drug issues aside, otherwise healthy.
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Reply #1555 posted 09/18/09 5:46am

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Jeebuz, good to see you know more about the situation than everyone who knew him personally. Bottom line: there's conflicting reports and people who knew Mike said "He was thin, but he looked healthy", and you're looking at 30 second clips and pics and saying that doctors are incorrect.


Lol, I won't lose my job if I say he's sick, they would have.

As far as the "big suit" comment.. clothes altering how thin/heavy someone looks. Crazy, huh? Why don't you look at how thin he was on the Jet cover. Thinner, tighter clothes displayed his thin frame. Not exactly a laughable scenario.


Suits don't cover your face. His face is scarily gaunt in this clip, it wasn't in the trials or last year.
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Reply #1556 posted 09/18/09 5:51am

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*Duplicate.
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Reply #1557 posted 09/18/09 5:53am

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Suits don't cover your face. His face is scarily gaunt in this clip, it wasn't in the trials or last year.


Disagree, his face was super-thin in the Geraldo interview in 2005. And, funnily enough, it wasn't as noticeable when he was decked out in suits, sunglasses, had his styled wigs on and was waving. But when he did the Geraldo interview and was wearing plane clothes and wasn't done up, and when he went to the trial in his pajamas, his small frame and thinness showed through much, much more.
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Reply #1558 posted 09/18/09 6:09am

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Superstition said:

I'm not saying he wasn't thin, but I don't think he was deathly ill. All signs point to him dying from a drug overdose and it was probably unrelated to his weight. People are acting like he was a thin, frail old man and he died naturally of heart failure. It doesn't sound like he was going to last for long even if he was 75 pounds heavier. The doctor pumped him full of shit and he died.

Like I said, I'm not debating he was thin, I just think there's been exaggerations and over-analyzation of the clips.

Before he died, there were arguments about whether he was too thin or not, but fans were insisting he was healthy, strong, etc. and shooting down anyone who questioned his health. Now all of a sudden it's obvious to everyone he was knocking on death's door.
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Totally agree with what you say...
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Reply #1559 posted 09/18/09 6:17am

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Superstition said:

I'm not saying he wasn't thin, but I don't think he was deathly ill. All signs point to him dying from a drug overdose and it was probably unrelated to his weight. People are acting like he was a thin, frail old man and he died naturally of heart failure. It doesn't sound like he was going to last for long even if he was 75 pounds heavier. The doctor pumped him full of shit and he died.

Like I said, I'm not debating he was thin, I just think there's been exaggerations and over-analyzation of the clips.

Before he died, there were arguments about whether he was too thin or not, but fans were insisting he was healthy, strong, etc. and shooting down anyone who questioned his health. Now all of a sudden it's obvious to everyone he was knocking on death's door.
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Totally agree with what you say...


yea i do too
look at this video look at the older pictures of Michael,he kind of looks the same as these recent screen caps I'm not saying Michael wasn't thin,'m just saying that he did have times when he was,and it seems there's something to look beyond just his being thin. I am not one would thinks he was in perfect health.
at 29 seconds

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