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Reply #1170 posted 09/11/09 7:24am

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Jermaine has just announced that the vienna tribute has been posponed until june 2010 and will be held in London


I read that too. It sure was no good idea to choose Vienna.
With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A....
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Reply #1171 posted 09/11/09 9:01am

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Jermaine has just announced that the vienna tribute has been posponed until june 2010 and will be held in London

thank you jesus!
"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #1172 posted 09/11/09 9:03am

Timmy84

Jermaine was probably reading the KOPD or MJJC or MAX-JAX because having a tribute concert in several MONTHS was too much so I'm glad of the decision. I think he was finally forced to do it because up until yesterday, he was still dead TRYING to get folks on there in the last minute.
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Reply #1173 posted 09/11/09 10:11am

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I wondered about Karen Faye..it must have been devastating for her she has known Michael for many years.

Besides his children, Michael was the happiest I have ever seen him when he was married to Lisa. I like Lisa she is straight forward no bullshit.

Also, good decision Jermaine.
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Reply #1174 posted 09/11/09 10:17am

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I don't understand Lisa Marie at all.

She always seems to be changing her mind.

I do, he hurt her bad so she was bitter and said nasty things, but she always still loved him, she was just angry

Mike hurt her? Do you happen to know something about their break-up? My take on it is that she didn´t want to have his kids which hurt Mike and Lisa was hurt by the fact he had them so soon with Debbie. It´s never one-sided and we´ve only heard Lisa´s version. All Mike ever said about their marriage was that "as a gentleman, he prefered not to respond." lol (gotta love him for that)
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #1175 posted 09/11/09 10:24am

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Arnotts said:


I do, he hurt her bad so she was bitter and said nasty things, but she always still loved him, she was just angry

Mike hurt her? Do you happen to know something about their break-up? My take on it is that she didn´t want to have his kids which hurt Mike and Lisa was hurt by the fact he had them so soon with Debbie. It´s never one-sided and we´ve only heard Lisa´s version. All Mike ever said about their marriage was that "as a gentleman, he prefered not to respond." lol (gotta love him for that)


Lisa said she didn't want children with Michael because of all the Legalities.

It could have turned nasty.
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Reply #1176 posted 09/11/09 10:26am

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http://www.abcnews.go.com/2020/MichaelJack...9898&page=1

La Toya Tells Barbara Walters: Michael Laid to Rest in 'Full Makeup,' With Iconic White Glove in Casket

In her first in-depth interview since the death of her brother Michael Jackson, La Toya Jackson opened up exclusively to Barbara Walters about the family's grief.
"I don't think we'll find a person as talented, a person who thought the way he thought. A person with the heart that Michael had," La Toya, 53, told Walters. "People aren't that way anymore. He was special. He wasn't God, but he was certainly God-like. He was the closest thing to a god that I knew."
La Toya, one of Michael's closest siblings, was one of the first one to appear at her brother's bedside the day he died. Since then, the solo artist and model signed her brother's death certificate, became the legal guardian of his body and with the entire Jackson family, planned the funeral and memorial service in Los Angeles.

Michael was laid to rest in a private ceremony last week, nearly two months after his death, at the iconic Forest Lawn cemetery in Glendale, Calif. La Toya told Walters that her brother looked "absolutely fabulous."
"He was dressed in all white pearl beads going across, draped across. A beautiful big gold belt. Like ... Like a belt that you win being a boxer," she said. "Full makeup. ... His hair was done beautifully, his makeup was done beautifully."
According to La Toya, in addition to the stones Paris placed on his chest, the family put sunglasses, an iconic white glove and a few other items in the casket with him.


La Toya: Dr. Conrad Murray Summoned Michael's Oldest Son to Death Bed

According to the autopsy, the late King of Pop died of a fatal combination of drugs, including the powerful anesthetic propofol. Dr. Conrad Murray, Michael Jackson's personal physician has admitted administering propofol, but has denied giving Michael anything that "should have killed him."
Murray told investigators that he had been trying to wean the singer off propofol by administering a series of other prescription sedatives. When asked by Walters if Murray murdered her brother, La Toya said, "Something went wrong. Something went wrong."
La Toya also addressed reports that Michael's oldest son, Prince, was summoned by Murray the night of his father's death to help resuscitate his father.
"He called Prince ... Prince ... watched him do this, Barbara. And you don't do that to a child. You don't do that to a child, especially when you knew prior to asking that child to come up, that Michael was no longer alive," she said.
La Toya stressed that she believes Michael was dead long before Murray even called for Prince -- but called the 13-year-old in, to "show that [he] had nothing to do with this."

Since Michael's death, the Los Angeles County Coroner's office ruled the manner of death a homicide. The Los Angeles Police Department is continuing to investigate the circumstances surrounding his death. Murray, as well as other doctors known to have prescribed narcotics to Michael, have been questioned.
"I blame any and everybody who was instrumental in Michael's life providing him with drugs because it was wrong. It was terribly wrong," said La Toya. "They're doctors! This is going against their license, Barbara. You don't do things like that."

La Toya: Blanket 'Looks Hispanic'

From the day each of Michael Jackson's three children was born, the identity of their biological father has been questioned.
"It doesn't really matter, those are Michael's kids. He raised those kids," La Toya said. "They were in his arms when they were born; the minute that they were they were right there with him. They only know Michael as their father."


Michael married the mother of his two oldest children, Debbie Rowe, but she has had almost no contact with the children for nearly a decade.
"They know who Debbie Rowe is. Whether or not they know she's their mother, I'm not so sure," La Toya said. "They haven't seen her since he's passed. But they're more than welcome."
Blanket, Michael's youngest child, was born to an unnamed surrogate after Jackson and Rowe divorced. La Toya said that Michael had told her that Blanket is Hispanic.
"I said to Michael, I said, 'He looks Hispanic.' And Michael said, 'He is,'" La Toya told Walters.

Future for the Jackson Children

In his will, Michael named his mother, Katherine Jackson, 79, as their sole guardian, and in July 2009, she was granted full, permanent custody of the three children. La Toya said that they will continue to be home-schooled, "just the way they were with their dad."
La Toya also talked to Walters about how the kids are coping with the grief.
Silencing rumors that Michael did not want the children around his father, Joe Jackson, La Toya said Michael had made amends with his father and that the kids had a good relationship with their grandfather.
"They love their grandfather," she said. "They ... like the fact that he's very outspoken. And they say that, 'Grandpa, he tells you like it is.'"
Despite the past, she believes Michael would have wanted Joe to be involved in their lives.

Will Diana Ross Raise Michael's Children?

Michael never revealed why, but his will states that if his 79-year-old mother ever becomes unable to care for the children, he wants them to be raised by Diana Ross, 65.

"I know of course that Diana Ross is second in line for the children of course, and mother has spoken to her about things of that nature, but I don't wish to go into detail," La Toya told Walters.
La Toya said that the children don't have a relationship with Ross, or know that she might possibly be the woman raising them. When asked if Ross wants to raise Michael's three children, La Toya responded: "I think my mother knows the answer to that."
Why Michael preferred Diana Ross over his own eight siblings to care for his children was not explained in the will; sister Reebie, who has three children of her own, and has been married for 41 years, could be a candidate to raise the children in the event that their mother is incapacitated.
"There's a possibility. There's a possibility," La Toya said, "She's done a wonderful job with her children."
La Toya asked ABC News to make it known that she was not paid for this interview.
Watch Barbara Walters's exclusive interview with La Toya on "20/20" Friday at 10 p.m. ET


Why can't they just give a plain "yes" or "no" about the paternity of Michael's kids and put all the speculation to rest?

Yeah, it´s annoying, but maybe it is because they don´t really know themselves. I really don´t know how open was Mike with his family about his private life cause it seems they hardly know Debbie whom he´s been married to, they didn´t know about his marriage to Lisa till the rest of the world found out. Mike and Janet always said that they were the most alike and Janet managed to keep her marriage to Rene secret for many years as well, if I am not mistaken. Maybe Mike was not the one to introduce his girlfriends to the family cause maybe he was afraid they would tell the rest of the world.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #1177 posted 09/11/09 10:28am

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Mike hurt her? Do you happen to know something about their break-up? My take on it is that she didn´t want to have his kids which hurt Mike and Lisa was hurt by the fact he had them so soon with Debbie. It´s never one-sided and we´ve only heard Lisa´s version. All Mike ever said about their marriage was that "as a gentleman, he prefered not to respond." lol (gotta love him for that)


Lisa said she didn't want children with Michael because of all the Legalities.

It could have turned nasty.

Yeah, I know, which is stupid to me anyway. She knew she was marrying someone who was desperate to have kids.
But that does not answer my question as to how did MIKE hurt HER?
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #1178 posted 09/11/09 10:41am

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dag said:

sag10 said:



Lisa said she didn't want children with Michael because of all the Legalities.

It could have turned nasty.

Yeah, I know, which is stupid to me anyway. She knew she was marrying someone who was desperate to have kids.
But that does not answer my question as to how did MIKE hurt HER?


Part of that answer is buried. We will never know.
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Reply #1179 posted 09/11/09 11:13am

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My highly positioned sources (lol) tell me that Lisa and Michael scheduled a meeting in Neverland, in 2003, in order to resolve some issues. Lisa went to Neverland, for the meeting, but Michael forgot it. Get why Lisa was so mad? I'd be mad as well.
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Reply #1180 posted 09/11/09 11:34am

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sag10 said:

dag said:


Mike hurt her? Do you happen to know something about their break-up? My take on it is that she didn´t want to have his kids which hurt Mike and Lisa was hurt by the fact he had them so soon with Debbie. It´s never one-sided and we´ve only heard Lisa´s version. All Mike ever said about their marriage was that "as a gentleman, he prefered not to respond." lol (gotta love him for that)


Lisa said she didn't want children with Michael because of all the Legalities.

It could have turned nasty.


She also said it was because of his drug abuse and she was right in not having them then, kids don't need to be brought into that kind of thing. It's too bad more people don't make that decision nowadays.

I think MJ married her hoping for children and to repair his damaged image. I always thought that video they did together looked so forced and awkward, I hated it.
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Reply #1181 posted 09/11/09 11:37am

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dag said:

tmo1965 said:



Why can't they just give a plain "yes" or "no" about the paternity of Michael's kids and put all the speculation to rest?

Yeah, it´s annoying, but maybe it is because they don´t really know themselves. I really don´t know how open was Mike with his family about his private life cause it seems they hardly know Debbie whom he´s been married to, they didn´t know about his marriage to Lisa till the rest of the world found out. Mike and Janet always said that they were the most alike and Janet managed to keep her marriage to Rene secret for many years as well, if I am not mistaken. Maybe Mike was not the one to introduce his girlfriends to the family cause maybe he was afraid they would tell the rest of the world.


My problem with some of them is that they'd be the first to say they were close to MJ but when you ask them questions, they have to go further to say "I don't know" or not give a straight answer like "Yes they are, NEXT!" I got upset yesterday with 'Toya, real upset, like why would she even say Blanket "looked Hispanic" and that MJ told her when in fact he even said the mama was black (Blanket's mom). Michael kept his life REAL PRIVATE. He'd feel violated if anything leaked, like it did in his trial.
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Reply #1182 posted 09/11/09 11:38am

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dag said:

sag10 said:



Lisa said she didn't want children with Michael because of all the Legalities.

It could have turned nasty.

Yeah, I know, which is stupid to me anyway. She knew she was marrying someone who was desperate to have kids.
But that does not answer my question as to how did MIKE hurt HER?


People who care about addicts are hurt by that person hurting themselves...and unfortunately, I know about that after being on the caring side.
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Reply #1183 posted 09/11/09 11:48am

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She also said it was because of his drug abuse and she was right in not having them then, kids don't need to be brought into that kind of thing. It's too bad more people don't make that decision nowadays.

I think MJ married her hoping for children and to repair his damaged image. I always thought that video they did together looked so forced and awkward, I hated it.

But do we know if that is true? Because after he died she's says that she tried to save him. However, after the divorce she was telling anyone who would listen that he was the biggest mistake of her life and that he's manipulated her into being in love with him. I find her feelings now to be very contrary to the way she's been acting for years which is why I feel that she's on a guilt trip.
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Reply #1184 posted 09/11/09 12:11pm

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Serena said:



She also said it was because of his drug abuse and she was right in not having them then, kids don't need to be brought into that kind of thing. It's too bad more people don't make that decision nowadays.

I think MJ married her hoping for children and to repair his damaged image. I always thought that video they did together looked so forced and awkward, I hated it.

But do we know if that is true? Because after he died she's says that she tried to save him. However, after the divorce she was telling anyone who would listen that he was the biggest mistake of her life and that he's manipulated her into being in love with him. I find her feelings now to be very contrary to the way she's been acting for years which is why I feel that she's on a guilt trip.



Oh, she loved Michael, and he loved her..hurt can make one say some nasty things.
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Reply #1185 posted 09/11/09 12:17pm

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sag10 said:

StillDirrty said:


But do we know if that is true? Because after he died she's says that she tried to save him. However, after the divorce she was telling anyone who would listen that he was the biggest mistake of her life and that he's manipulated her into being in love with him. I find her feelings now to be very contrary to the way she's been acting for years which is why I feel that she's on a guilt trip.



Oh, she loved Michael, and he loved her..hurt can make one say some nasty things.


True and time and maturity help you see it all more clearly too.
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Reply #1186 posted 09/11/09 1:06pm

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dag said:


Yeah, it´s annoying, but maybe it is because they don´t really know themselves. I really don´t know how open was Mike with his family about his private life cause it seems they hardly know Debbie whom he´s been married to, they didn´t know about his marriage to Lisa till the rest of the world found out. Mike and Janet always said that they were the most alike and Janet managed to keep her marriage to Rene secret for many years as well, if I am not mistaken. Maybe Mike was not the one to introduce his girlfriends to the family cause maybe he was afraid they would tell the rest of the world.


My problem with some of them is that they'd be the first to say they were close to MJ but when you ask them questions, they have to go further to say "I don't know" or not give a straight answer like "Yes they are, NEXT!" I got upset yesterday with 'Toya, real upset, like why would she even say Blanket "looked Hispanic" and that MJ told her when in fact he even said the mama was black (Blanket's mom). Michael kept his life REAL PRIVATE. He'd feel violated if anything leaked, like it did in his trial.

I remember reading somewhere that once Mike was dating someone and when one of his friends (can t remember even who) tried to find out her name, Mike got all upset saying something like "why do you wanna know?"

See, the way Toya acts is probably the very reason, why he never said a thing to them obviously.

But do we know if that is true? Because after he died she's says that she tried to save him. However, after the divorce she was telling anyone who would listen that he was the biggest mistake of her life and that he's manipulated her into being in love with him. I find her feelings now to be very contrary to the way she's been acting for years which is why I feel that she's on a guilt trip.

I think she was saying that just because noone understood why she married him and she felt people saw her as a freak for doing so and she was trying to "clean up" her image. lol

She also said it was because of his drug abuse and she was right in not having them then, kids don't need to be brought into that kind of thing. It's too bad more people don't make that decision nowadays.

Where did you hear her say that she left him because of drugs. She never said drugs specifically as far as I know.
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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #1187 posted 09/11/09 1:18pm

StillDirrty

IA. She tried to clean up her image but if you love someone, I'm sorry you don't act the way she did. The things she said I can imagine felt like a stab in the back for him. Diane Sawyer was making it seem like he didn't deserve to have anyone's love and LMP just went right along with her. MJ had the tendency to turn his left cheek but for me I would have been like hell nah, ( I can't believe he forgave Latoya's foolishness btw) & she never tells anyone that her ass was still seeing him after the divorce.I don't care if she cries now. Those tears to me are guilt. She's just like the rest of those people who she claimed were vicious vultures. She betrayed him just like they did.I know we all say things when we get angry but she crossed the line especially since he never said anything derogatory back to her. & is it true that she got into an altercation with Liz Taylor once? I heard that somewhere.
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Reply #1188 posted 09/11/09 1:23pm

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IA. She tried to clean up her image but if you love someone, I'm sorry you don't act the way she did. The things she said I can imagine felt like a stab in the back for him. Diane Sawyer was making it seem like he didn't deserve to have anyone's love and LMP just went right along with her. MJ had the tendency to turn his left cheek but for me I would have been like hell nah, ( I can't believe he forgave Latoya's foolishness btw) & she never tells anyone that her ass was still seeing him after the divorce.I don't care if she cries now. Those tears to me are guilt. She's just like the rest of those people who she claimed were vicious vultures. She betrayed him just like they did.I know we all say things when we get angry but she crossed the line especially since he never said anything derogatory back to her. & is it true that she got into an altercation with Liz Taylor once? I heard that somewhere.

I was very disapointed by that as well. I know what you are saying and I do agree, actually.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #1189 posted 09/11/09 1:51pm

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Well I used to be pretty pissed at LMP and LaToy. I think that LMP should have kept her mouth shut about her divorce just like Michael did. But whatever. What Toy did, IMO, was worse just because Michael was her blood and she knew how it would affect him.

Lisa haas said that the reason why she didn't wanna have children was because Michael was immature and had other issues, which I think were drug related and shouldn't be surprising. But whatever. People do make mistakes and obviously they kept in touch. So they both are the only ones to know what their relationship was all about.

I think he did forgive LaToya, but he never really got over it. And contrary to popular belief, he and LaToya indeed were very close as children and young adults. I think that relationshop deteriorated when she got married.

Michael was close to all her brothers and sisters, but I do think he had a special bond with Marlon and TOy. I think he loved Janet and professionally speaking they did have a lot in common. I mean they are the most successful Jacksons after all. But on a personal level I do believe that he felt closer to LaToya. They were closer in age, and as young adults they were the only ones who were not married. And if you guys watch or read old interviews, he does mention her quite a lot. Even with Oprah he said he loved his sister and always remembered her as the "fun loving" Latoya she always was.

So I think that Toy's words were specially hurtful to him. I can't even imagine the pain of such betrayal, but he was Michael Jackson, so he forgave and turned the other cheek. Something I could possibly never do.
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Reply #1190 posted 09/11/09 2:04pm

StillDirrty

The other issues might also be Priscilla's meddling. She never liked MJ. I read on MJJC once that Elvis used to take LMP to J5 shows and she complained about it. LMP likes to portray the tough girl image but imo it was weak of her to listen to the people around her. Because she did say after the Diane Sawyer interview with MJ things started to change and she got I guess a "reality check." & then on Oprah they both were like oh well he wants to be Elvis and some other b.s. I bet LMP let her mother influence her. & Priscilla didn't complain about Nicolas Cage who was an obvious Elvis fanatic.
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Reply #1191 posted 09/11/09 2:05pm

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Nah I know MJ and 'Toya were close as kids and as young adults. I just have a problem with her claiming she was "still" close to him when it's obvious they weren't. And even if they were, why would anyone reveal the info that she has said? Don't make sense to me.

As for Lisa, I don't know why she always did a 360 when it came to MJ. shrug
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Reply #1192 posted 09/11/09 2:08pm

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So Prince went upstairs? & the way Latoya put it people are going to assume that he's not the bio dad of any of them which I think is untrue. & lol, since when is she one of his closest siblings?



first of all latoya doesnt know shit. she wasnt there. the cheff said prince stayed downstairs and she WAS there. secondly she was NOT the closets sibling. michael probably stayed away from her trifling ass and i don't blame him.

oh and i believe tito anyday over latoya
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Reply #1193 posted 09/11/09 2:12pm

StillDirrty

Yes I know that. I'm not sure if the general public remembers Latoya's track record though. Why would Walters agree to do an interview with someone who is either a pathological liar or just plain crazy? I don't get that. She has never been the credible Jackson.
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Reply #1194 posted 09/11/09 2:18pm

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Poor old Jermaine. LMAO.

I was so looking forward to watching a bunch of no name, no talent autotune asswipes utterly murder stone cold classix in the name of a 'tribute', along with maybe a couple of legends of yesteryear being entirely embarassed by the sheer ridiculousness of this concert. smile

I do feel sorry for those with tickets, but talk about sheep for buying them in the first place.

Did any one else see that idiot little promo spot Jermaine did for the show? An advert for the concert which named no artists! When he attempted to bust a little move. Oh man, why can't this guy just fuck off?!!
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Reply #1195 posted 09/11/09 3:12pm

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‎"The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page
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Reply #1196 posted 09/11/09 3:17pm

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OMG falloff
With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A....
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Reply #1197 posted 09/11/09 3:38pm

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Serious said:

b3xy said:

Jermaine has just announced that the vienna tribute has been posponed until june 2010 and will be held in London


I read that too. It sure was no good idea to choose Vienna.

translation: it's not happnin'!
LOVE HARD.
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Reply #1198 posted 09/11/09 4:01pm

suga10

I'm taking this with a grain of salt. But did anyone read this. It was interesting to read lol

http://derekclontz.wordpr...next-june/
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Reply #1199 posted 09/11/09 5:02pm

StillDirrty

These are from '07. He looks good except I don't like his eyebrows. They're too thick.


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