Timmy84 said:

I know timmy I saw it I like to be part of boards where the fans can see the good and bad with their faves not one-sided

babybugz said:

It's really hard to find that.

babybugz said:

I mainly go there for the pictures. I almost ignore the rest of the board and I don´t visit any other MJ board. Last week, I jumped in the General discussion and read some quotes of celebrities and other topics, but I´d need a month off to read all that.

Timmy84 said:

I know but I have found it with other artists just not the MJ fans so much lol
[Edited 8/25/09 13:38pm]

babybugz said:

Right. We gotta be EXTRA with it.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Thanks. You don't know what I go through in some MJ boards. You almost wanna say "calm down" but you're afraid of being accused of getting in their business or not being a fan because you don't agree with some of them, lol

Timmy84 said:

I know I was just in awe at the comments ,alot of them are so blinded to things

babybugz said:

Right.

MattyJam said:

Gosh. I don't think you should have been banned, but show some empathy will ya. Michael is DEAD! That hurts like hell. We're still trying to cope. It is hard. Can't you all have more compassion for some of the fans who are having more of a difficult time than others coming to grips with this awful loss. He is like family to me. Still haven't totally accepted it. Sometimes it's too hard for me. So why would I wanna hear he caused his own death? Who wants to hear that?!!!! It's just your opinion anyhow. We really don't know WHAT happened. And we may never. I certainly don't trust the talking heads, LAPD, or many of the people involved in this investigation. I think people should just lay off Michael's fans right now. Or should I say the stans. I sure am one and don't wanna HEAR anything negative about MIke at this time.

mrsnet said:

Believe me I have seen the worst here, calling a dead man a fucked individual, pathetic...etc,it doesn't get more ridiculous than this, I don't know how people reach to the level to insult a dead man , Mj's passing was unexpected , it came as a shock to everyone, and i said from the very beginning that its really ridiculous to blame Mj for anything, he is dead, what is done is done, its silly to even suggest that Mj caused his own death, this is the last thing Mj fans want to hear, what is done is done, he is dead and nobody knows the full picture of what really happened, all i know that Mj spent 40 years of his life entertaining people with really timeless classics, he deserves more respect.

people will never quit insulting the man, they insulted him even when he is dead ..Pathetic.

mrsnet said:

i agree with you, mrsnet. matty and like minded people can always come here and bash mj. why would you want to join an mj board to bash him, disrespect his memory, and especially blame him for his death? the fact is, regardless of whether mj was taking drugs at other times, he was relying upon propofol to sleep, not get high. and the doctor who administered the drug administered too much, according to the preliminary toxicology reports as stated in the leaked search warrant yesterday. people can't seem to separate the two, and now want this doctor to get off b/c mj was (allegedly) an addict for other drugs. what kinds of sense does that make?

I was as gutted by MJ's passing as any other fan, believe me.

I just don't buy that he was this frail victim who was doped up on drugs against his will like some fans seem to want to portray him.

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mrsnet said:

And I never said he shouldn't be reprimanded for that... all I'm saying is, MJ was obviously being very reckless in the first place, taking such a cocktail of drugs and putting his trust in anyone and everyone who would give these to him.

If the Doctor truly did administer more than he should've and that is what indeed killed MJ, then the Doctor should be bought to justice. But MJ needs to take a share of the blame for his own death if he was knowingly surrounding himself with these people just to get what he wanted.
I know it all seems a bit futile saying this now, seeing as MJ is no longer with us - and nobody likes talking ill of the dead - but to deny that he didn't play a part in contributing towards his death is just not true.

Timmy84 said:

I've been a member there for five years and have less than 200 posts. There is a reason for that.

bboy87 said:

Wow. really? you got a link Bboy?

Marrk said:

Well, it's probably a good thing I got banned...They sent me a little over the edge...

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MattyJam said:

i'm not surprised.
is it a temporary ban? or a permanant one?

MattyJam said:

Matty - you rock!
Thanks for making me crack a smile at that. lol

Thanks!

I think it's a permanant ban. Oh well, fuck em. I've been banned from so many MJ boards over the years, the mods are so Nazi-like in the way they run the boards, it's impossible to engage in a healthy debate.

We should start our own board where you ban anyone who registers with a name like "Angel of Mercy"...

It'll be a board strictly for sane fans.
[Edited 8/26/09 7:38am]

MattyJam said:

mjfanclub.net

There is discussion but there shouldn't be any outright character wrecking.
It has only been two months exactly today. He isn't even buried yet and cause of death is still not official so fans are wrecked. Take it easy...

It's different now. The various MJ forums used to differ before, but they're all about the same now (to me anyway).

Timmy84 said:

I'm actually somewhat afraid to view that site. I don't want to see that ambulance footage ever again.

WaterInYourBath said:

You see it too? Yeah very samely.

I post at a couple of MJ forums, and some of the fandom is overwhelming and very annoying. Even before the death, some of the rules and policies are very ... extreme, to say the least. Simple, friendly debates are shot down because some people can't tell the difference between a debate and a fight.

Maximum Jackson is probably the best board I've seen, very level-headed mods and I see far less extremes there.

All the boards are decent enough though... I reckon with the number of posters that the boards can be hard to satisfy everyone.

But I do agree: MJ's choices and the poor choices of those around him were all contributing factors. It's a damn shame no matter which way you look at it.

bboy87 said:

How did they know it was Diane Dimond?

mrsnet said:

There is empathy and living in complete denial, which a lot of fans on those forums do. Michael employed an incompetent Doctor and Murray should be charged with manslaughter like yesterday, but when you get fans denying that Michael was an addict and so they come up with murder conspiracies to try and deny michael's obvious problems then the hard-core fans deserve very little sympathy.

whatsgoingon said:

Exactly. And it's really despicable when you see things like AEG, Kenny Ortega and others accused of being part of some massive conspiracy. It's a damn joke and makes people look quite bad.

It's quite clear that this is a case of a man being addicted, people fueling his addiction because of his celebrity, and something going wrong.

And in the process of pretending the obvious didn't happen, all they're doing is taking away from a valuable lesson that could be learned.