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Timmy84 said: They weren't with Motown or Philadelphia International.
No in the 70s they were with Pride/MGM and produced by Jerry Butler in the late 70's they left MGM and moved to Capitol [Edited 8/25/09 20:44pm] | |
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they were no where near the level of the jackson 5, why do people always compare these obscure groups with the jacksons? the sylvers had a couple bubble gum hits,they were cute with big afros but they came and went.what sets the jacksons apart from these other groups is the timeless classic music they recorded. | |
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lowkey said: they were no where near the level of the jackson 5, why do people always compare these obscure groups with the jacksons? the sylvers had a couple bubble gum hits,they were cute with big afros but they came and went.what sets the jacksons apart from these other groups is the timeless classic music they recorded.
i think because a lot of people on this board are relatively young and weren't there at the time. just like i was constantly in awe of the debarge thread; where did this notion come from that they were anywhere near the jacksons orbit? as i posted, i loooooved the sylver when i was little, but even i would never put them in the same category as the jackson 5/jacksons. boogie fever is like a guilty pleasure now whereas i want you back is a classic. | |
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paligap said: scriptgirl said: What did them not being on Philly international or motown have to do with it?
At the time,Capitol Records wasn't putting the same kind of financial and promotional push that black-focused labels like Motown and Philly International could have Exactly.Tavares (another family group) was signed to Capitol in the 70s and they didn't always get the promotional push that they deserved. | |
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kibbles said: lowkey said: they were no where near the level of the jackson 5, why do people always compare these obscure groups with the jacksons? the sylvers had a couple bubble gum hits,they were cute with big afros but they came and went.what sets the jacksons apart from these other groups is the timeless classic music they recorded.
i think because a lot of people on this board are relatively young and weren't there at the time. just like i was constantly in awe of the debarge thread; where did this notion come from that they were anywhere near the jacksons orbit? as i posted, i loooooved the sylver when i was little, but even i would never put them in the same category as the jackson 5/jacksons. boogie fever is like a guilty pleasure now whereas i want you back is a classic. I don't think anyone compared them to the Jacksons here. Though, I'm well aware those comparison has always been made on something as simplistic as, they were both black music family groups. I think for those who like the Sylvers music, we've based their talents on their own merits. One thing can be said like the DeBarges the Sylvers had some creatvie control over the production of their music, from jump. Those guys had potential but they never were able to line everything up nor sustain their early success -not only in terms of music but also on the all important business side of music. I heard spurts of good music, solid music, but not the complete package. As Timmy once said, "Could've, would've, should've but didnt". Oh, well. _____ [Edited 8/27/09 10:47am] | |
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For what it's worth, from the little bit I have heard of their music, it hasn't aged well "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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thanks Pali for the youtube posts. I'm not familiar with the Sylvers. They sound okay. I like that "boogie fever".
and wtf, one of orally violated somebody while they were unconcious? that is low down. anyway...the Jacksons were cuter and had better music. | |
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Actually, the Sylvers sisters were prettier than the Jackson girls. The guy had too much teeth "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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scriptgirl said: For what it's worth, from the little bit I have heard of their music, it hasn't aged well
Different strokes, I guess...I actually like their music even more now (except for the 'Bubble Gum' stuff); Their stuff is also popular with the new generation of crate diggers, DJs, and beatmeisters...especially those first 3 albums! ... " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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lowkey said: they were no where near the level of the jackson 5, why do people always compare these obscure groups with the jacksons? the sylvers had a couple bubble gum hits,they were cute with big afros but they came and went.what sets the jacksons apart from these other groups is the timeless classic music they recorded.
They weren't that obscure. I'm sure if the roads were reversed, we'd be asking the same question about the Jacksons (even WITH Michael's talent). You never know how history would've turned out. They actually came at a bad time BECAUSE of the Jacksons being so successful and Edmund and Foster sounding like Jermaine/Michael clones. | |
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Copycat said: Who are they, who are these Sylvers you speak of?
Straight Jacket Funk Affair
Album plays and love for vinyl records. | |
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scriptgirl said: Actually, the Sylvers sisters were prettier than the Jackson girls. The guy had too much teeth
They were indeed beautiful girls. Still are. | |
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I do agree that re the Slyvers and the Jackons, it is a matter of material "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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Timmy84 said: lowkey said: they were no where near the level of the jackson 5, why do people always compare these obscure groups with the jacksons? the sylvers had a couple bubble gum hits,they were cute with big afros but they came and went.what sets the jacksons apart from these other groups is the timeless classic music they recorded.
They weren't that obscure. I'm sure if the roads were reversed, we'd be asking the same question about the Jacksons (even WITH Michael's talent). You never know how history would've turned out. They actually came at a bad time BECAUSE of the Jacksons being so successful and Edmund and Foster sounding like Jermaine/Michael clones. Maybe that's major nut in the shell. Reading some of the looking back/tributes to Michael Jackson. I read the Jacksons were worried that they were being (when they were at Motown) pigioned holed as a nostalgia cover band group. What would be fantastic is for those record compaines to release Sylvers music, all of it. 1981 "Concept" album (Solar) Bizarre LP. 1984 (Geffen) Which had a lil beat of a Beatles Pop sound. Like I said, the sound kinda not focused. | |
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lowkey said: they were no where near the level of the jackson 5, why do people always compare these obscure groups with the jacksons? the sylvers had a couple bubble gum hits,they were cute with big afros but they came and went.what sets the jacksons apart from these other groups is the timeless classic music they recorded.
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scriptgirl said: For what it's worth, from the little bit I have heard of their music, it hasn't aged well
Well,to answer your original question, yes they were hugely popular when I was a child. Very "wall worthy" act, as in , when you went to kids' homes you would often find the latest posters with their images on the bedroom wall. They also had a whole variety of merchandise that kids used to trade with each other back then (trading cards, dolls,lunch boxes, mugs,etc). As for why they didn't last, or how their music aged, trying to compare them to the Jacksons and other analysis on their limited time as kiddie music phenomenon, that's a different topic and story altogether. But the straight shot answer to whether or not they were simply popular at that time would be a resounding yes. | |
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You know the same can be said for the "first family of soul", the Burke Family (the Stairsteps). Their material was composed in the early years by Curtis Mayfield and then later on they did their own compositions but they were another family that never got the accolades that the Jacksons got. I don't think no one would argue that there were more talented musical families than the Jacksons (Isleys anyone?). It just happened that not only did the Jacksons had Motown, but they had better PR and MJ was the right age to be exploited (as unfortunate to put it as, it's the truth). | |
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I know they were aimed at that Jacksons kiddie market, because my stack of late 70s Disney Comics (Gold Key and Whitmans) are full of ads for Sylvers Albums and there were pages advertising posters of such stars, like Grizzly Adams, Adam Rich, Dolly Parton, Cathy, Michael Jackson and the Jacksons, The Osmonds and Donny and Marie next to ones showing the Sylvers.
I found a cassette of an album they did in 1985 showing them in Jheri curls and hideous tops with zig zags on them (And that lipstick slash style lettering they had in the 80s) (I should have bought it, it was like 50 cents in the late 90s. Boogie Fever and Hotline were both #1 here in NZ, we just went nuts over anything disco. (In 1977 Boogie Nights by Heatwave was our biggest hit on the charts, Boney M in 1978 and Donna Summer in 1979, 1980 was a song by a group called Ritz) So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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"Boogie Fever" and "Hot Line" was very popular. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Copycat said: ![]()
I failed to do a thorough job on research. Above is registered sex offender Foster Sylvers' mug shot at the time of his arrest. He was charged with oral copulation (the victim unconscious of the nature of the act). In 2004, he was supposedly in the process of having his record expunged. That don't make no damn sense. Every time I see someone that looks good committing a sex crime, I always think to myself...."If the motherfucker was horny, he should have come to me. Hell, I would have satisfied his ass from head to toe and he wouldn't have to go out and take it from somebody". Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: That don't make no damn sense. Every time I see someone that looks good committing a sex crime, I always think to myself...."If the motherfucker was horny, he should have come to me. Hell, I would have satisfied his ass from head to toe and he wouldn't have to go out and take it from somebody".
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vainandy said: That don't make no damn sense. Every time I see someone that looks good committing a sex crime, I always think to myself...."If the motherfucker was horny, he should have come to me. Hell, I would have satisfied his ass from head to toe and he wouldn't have to go out and take it from somebody". He aint that damn fine. Besides, some people just get off on ruining somebody else's life and fucking up their minds. The fun is in the violating for these crazed mofos. | |
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Yeah, Foster is not that cute. He has features that looked great on a kid, but not on an adult. "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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DesireeNevermind said: vainandy said: That don't make no damn sense. Every time I see someone that looks good committing a sex crime, I always think to myself...."If the motherfucker was horny, he should have come to me. Hell, I would have satisfied his ass from head to toe and he wouldn't have to go out and take it from somebody". He aint that damn fine. Besides, some people just get off on ruining somebody else's life and fucking up their minds. The fun is in the violating for these crazed mofos. Hell, he'll do for 20 minutes. He looks just like a good friend of mine that I used to sleep with from time to time. That motherfucker had the thickest dick I ever wrapped my hand around. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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I saw a picture of Edmund in the hospital (his hair was as short as Foster's in the mugshot and he also had a gray beard). This was before his death a short time later. He looked sickly anyways. | |
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Edmund with a fan in later years. | |
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Timmy84 said: I saw a picture of Edmund in the hospital (his hair was as short as Foster's in the mugshot and he also had a gray beard). This was before his death a short time later. He looked sickly anyways.
Wow
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TD3 said: Timmy84 said: I saw a picture of Edmund in the hospital (his hair was as short as Foster's in the mugshot and he also had a gray beard). This was before his death a short time later. He looked sickly anyways.
Wow
_____ [Edited 8/27/09 12:44pm] Nope. And yeah, I think the picture was on the JET book where they had their "Where Are They Now" segment about them. | |
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Here's Ahmad Jamal version of "Misdemeanor": This songs has legs....a testament to a very will written song.
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