CrozzaUK said: Well i have to admit - I'm hugely underwhelmed by this. Got my copy yesterday and played it through last night, and the absolute lack of care of attention to the remastering and editing process is mind boggling.
As many fans have pointed out on fan forums, there are various errors - mainly in the attempt to create "edits", but some stuff is unforgiveable. On 'Music' for example there are clicks all through the duration of the song - how can professionals in the industry not notice this kind of thing if it takes amateurs less than a couple of listens to notice it. Ive a feeling the whole remastering / edit job was done by someone who'd never heard half her stuff before. The remastering itself is not noticeably different - only on songs like Into The Groove can you really notice much of a difference, and even then its not staggering. There are several songs with shoddy editing: Erotica - cut and paste job beyond amateur standard. Express Yourself - an utter mess. Butchered by mind boggling edits. Dress You Up - Of the four beats that starts the song, they've cut them to leave just one. It sounds retarded. 4 Minutes - now clocks in at 3"10, and it just sounds wrong...begins with a ticking rather than the fantastic horns intro. Revolver - Her voice is buried waaaay down in the mix. Apparently Frank E has twittered to admit that this is a mistake, but warners wouldnt let him fix it !!! All i can say is - i hope the DVD has been given better consideration. Warners and Madonna should be ashamed to promote this collection with the highly misleading "remastered from the original source tapes" as i highly doubt this is true. The booklet by the way is nice. Mr Brainwash did a good job - although there are several printing errors in the credits. The whole project is a hot mess so far. Congratulations Madonna!! w!t!f! seriously..... i was pretty much over the disappointing tracklisting and the shitty versions they decided on and was at least looking forward to having a casual listen to it when it comes out in the US, but... seriously. wtf. | |
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errant said: w!t!f! seriously..... i was pretty much over the disappointing tracklisting and the shitty versions they decided on and was at least looking forward to having a casual listen to it when it comes out in the US, but... seriously. wtf. oh hush! you know you're buying it. LOVE ♪♫♪♫ ♣¤═══¤۩۞۩ஜ۩ஜ۩۞۩¤═══¤♣ | |
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CHIC0 said: errant said: w!t!f! seriously..... i was pretty much over the disappointing tracklisting and the shitty versions they decided on and was at least looking forward to having a casual listen to it when it comes out in the US, but... seriously. wtf. oh hush! you know you're buying it. oh of course. but that doesn't mean i have to like that i'm buying it god, the the disappointment in this project is never-ending. | |
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errant said: CHIC0 said: oh hush! you know you're buying it. oh of course. but that doesn't mean i have to like that i'm buying it god, the the disappointment in this project is never-ending. yeah i understand. however the it seems majority of people (general public) don't care about physical cds, packaging,sound quality or essential track listings, so the effort isn't there. only hardcore music fans would appreciate that. the thing i can't stand is having to download a song i.e. "It's So Cool". just put it on the fucking 2disc set. LOVE ♪♫♪♫ ♣¤═══¤۩۞۩ஜ۩ஜ۩۞۩¤═══¤♣ | |
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errant said: CHIC0 said: oh hush! you know you're buying it. oh of course. but that doesn't mean i have to like that i'm buying it god, the the disappointment in this project is never-ending. It really is. When i heard she was actually being bothered to record new music - i started to think - hmmm ok maybe they'll do this right - give her the send off from WB she deserves - but clearly both parties aren't interested in putting out a project of significance or even celebration. Its lazy and confusing. Madonna's sleeve notes amount to 3 lines, and i believe thats the extent of her contribution. Apparently on some radio interview she acts like she doesnt have a clue whats on the CD!?!?! | |
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Videos DVD digipack
I have a feeling that the digi-pack will be easier to find than the regular packaged DVD,which is the one I really want. | |
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SoulAlive said: Videos DVD digipack
I have a feeling that the digi-pack will be easier to find than the regular packaged DVD,which is the one I really want. I hate to be the voice of misery surrounding this project, but news of the dvd has been released. Apparently its in 4:3 and stereo sound - so any hopes we had of wonderful 16:9 , 5.1 surround have been dashed before the thing's even hit my dvd player! This is very disappointing given that they claim to have gone back to the original master tapes. Id imagine the majority of her videos were originally shot in 16:9 and altered for the 4:3 format, so in theory going back to the original tapes should have meant they could restore the videos to 16:9.....apparently not. It also makes me wonder how they'll alter a lot of the later videos released in 16:9???..... | |
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SoulAlive said: It scares me sometimes what people can do with photoshop. Those eyes came form the Time magazine shoot from 1985 didnt they? | |
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CrozzaUK said: SoulAlive said: It scares me sometimes what people can do with photoshop. Those eyes came form the Time magazine shoot from 1985 didnt they? I have no idea,but I like this picture alot | |
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CrozzaUK said: SoulAlive said: Videos DVD digipack
I have a feeling that the digi-pack will be easier to find than the regular packaged DVD,which is the one I really want. I hate to be the voice of misery surrounding this project, but news of the dvd has been released. Apparently its in 4:3 and stereo sound - so any hopes we had of wonderful 16:9 , 5.1 surround have been dashed before the thing's even hit my dvd player! This is very disappointing given that they claim to have gone back to the original master tapes. Id imagine the majority of her videos were originally shot in 16:9 and altered for the 4:3 format, so in theory going back to the original tapes should have meant they could restore the videos to 16:9.....apparently not. It also makes me wonder how they'll alter a lot of the later videos released in 16:9???..... Oh,that's too bad.I'm still excited about this,though.With this compilation,and the two that came before it,we will now have the majority of her music videos. | |
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I’m loving all the artwork, probably the only thing I’m really liking about it. I wish she had of done this kind of thing, the career retrospective, just before the ‘American Life’ era. It would have really done well then, probably would have topped ‘The Immaculate Collection’. And I would love to have a complete DVD collection of every film clip she’s done from ‘Everybody’ to ‘Die Another Day’ when she was really at her most creative. | |
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Arnotts said: I’m loving all the artwork, probably the only thing I’m really liking about it. I wish she had of done this kind of thing, the career retrospective, just before the ‘American Life’ era. It would have really done well then, probably would have topped ‘The Immaculate Collection’. And I would love to have a complete DVD collection of every film clip she’s done from ‘Everybody’ to ‘Die Another Day’ when she was really at her most creative.
In the past ten years,Warners has tried to get her to do a box set.The first time was in 2001.When she declined,they threw together the (totally useless) 'GHV2' compilation The second time was in 2004,after the RIT.Again,she wouldn't cooperate so they cancelled those plans With an amazing catalog like hers,it's ridiculous that she is so against these things. | |
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SoulAlive said: Arnotts said: I’m loving all the artwork, probably the only thing I’m really liking about it. I wish she had of done this kind of thing, the career retrospective, just before the ‘American Life’ era. It would have really done well then, probably would have topped ‘The Immaculate Collection’. And I would love to have a complete DVD collection of every film clip she’s done from ‘Everybody’ to ‘Die Another Day’ when she was really at her most creative.
In the past ten years,Warners has tried to get her to do a box set.The first time was in 2001.When she declined,they threw together the (totally useless) 'GHV2' compilation The second time was in 2004,after the RIT.Again,she wouldn't cooperate so they cancelled those plans With an amazing catalog like hers,it's ridiculous that she is so against these things. same reason she doesn't have a star on the hollywood walk of fame... she doesn't feel her career is over and in need of such things. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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SoulAlive said: Arnotts said: I’m loving all the artwork, probably the only thing I’m really liking about it. I wish she had of done this kind of thing, the career retrospective, just before the ‘American Life’ era. It would have really done well then, probably would have topped ‘The Immaculate Collection’. And I would love to have a complete DVD collection of every film clip she’s done from ‘Everybody’ to ‘Die Another Day’ when she was really at her most creative.
In the past ten years,Warners has tried to get her to do a box set.The first time was in 2001.When she declined,they threw together the (totally useless) 'GHV2' compilation The second time was in 2004,after the RIT.Again,she wouldn't cooperate so they cancelled those plans With an amazing catalog like hers,it's ridiculous that she is so against these things. Sadly, I think if she ever does to do a boxed set,it would still contain odd omissions (see MJ's, which had most of his hits but not all). There might be truth in what ehuffnsd says. She definately backs off certain things because of her strange thoughts on her career progression. Releasing all her live tours on DVD would not hurt her career. A tasteful boxed set would not hurt her career. Doing a real greatest hits tour ("Re-Invention"....really?) is not going to hurt your career. A star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame..... | |
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ehuffnsd said: SoulAlive said: In the past ten years,Warners has tried to get her to do a box set.The first time was in 2001.When she declined,they threw together the (totally useless) 'GHV2' compilation The second time was in 2004,after the RIT.Again,she wouldn't cooperate so they cancelled those plans With an amazing catalog like hers,it's ridiculous that she is so against these things. same reason she doesn't have a star on the hollywood walk of fame... she doesn't feel her career is over and in need of such things. Very true.Looking back on her other compilations,the only time that she has put alot of effort into these things was 'Something To Remember'.She was preparing to shoot 'Evita' so she was trying to "soften" her public image.She recruited producer David Foster (the king of adult contemporary ballads),filmed several videos from the project,and actually seemed really interested in that set. In any case,I'm glad that the Warner years are over.'Celebration' makes it official.That label is a sinking ship these days and has been for awhile.We don't know how the next phase of Madonna's career will be,but it's always a good feeling when you make a fresh start.You have a clean slate.This may actually inspire her to dig deeper,become truly inspired,and do something really incredible. | |
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SoulAlive said: ehuffnsd said: same reason she doesn't have a star on the hollywood walk of fame... she doesn't feel her career is over and in need of such things. Very true.Looking back on her other compilations,the only time that she has put alot of effort into these things was 'Something To Remember'.She was preparing to shoot 'Evita' so she was trying to "soften" her public image.She recruited producer David Foster (the king of adult contemporary ballads),filmed several videos from the project,and actually seemed really interested in that set. In any case,I'm glad that the Warner years are over.'Celebration' makes it official.That label is a sinking ship these days and has been for awhile.We don't know how the next phase of Madonna's career will be,but it's always a good feeling when you make a fresh start.You have a clean slate.This may actually inspire her to dig deeper,become truly inspired,and do something really incredible. I agree. I personally feel that her career had a slight sense of monotony over the last few years. Record album, do mini promo show, do a couple of press junket interviews, record 2 videos of effort, go on tour. Id like her to change things up a bit. The industry is changing, and music is becoming more instant. Maybe with Live Nation we'll see a shift in the way she put her music out there? | |
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CrozzaUK said: SoulAlive said: Very true.Looking back on her other compilations,the only time that she has put alot of effort into these things was 'Something To Remember'.She was preparing to shoot 'Evita' so she was trying to "soften" her public image.She recruited producer David Foster (the king of adult contemporary ballads),filmed several videos from the project,and actually seemed really interested in that set. In any case,I'm glad that the Warner years are over.'Celebration' makes it official.That label is a sinking ship these days and has been for awhile.We don't know how the next phase of Madonna's career will be,but it's always a good feeling when you make a fresh start.You have a clean slate.This may actually inspire her to dig deeper,become truly inspired,and do something really incredible. I agree. I personally feel that her career had a slight sense of monotony over the last few years. Record album, do mini promo show, do a couple of press junket interviews, record 2 videos of effort, go on tour. I'd like her to change things up a bit.The industry is changing, and music is becoming more instant. Maybe with Live Nation we'll see a shift in the way she put her music out there? I totally agree! I want her to do something different next time around....mix it up a bit.I'm thrilled that she consistently records music and tours,but it would be cool to change things up a bit,in the way she presents her music to the public.Maybe her next album should be a movie soundtrack? Instead of just a "regular" album.Maybe she should put together an excellent band and write/record the entire album with them? Now that she's away from Warners,she will undoubtedly have much more control and freedom (it's a 50/50 partnership,as opposed to a typical recording contract).I want her to shake things up a bit! | |
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CrozzaUK said: Id imagine the majority of her videos were originally shot in 16:9 and altered for the 4:3 format, so in theory going back to the original tapes should have meant they could restore the videos to 16:9.....apparently not. It also makes me wonder how they'll alter a lot of the later videos released in 16:9???.....
I seriously doubt most of her videos were shot with a 16:9 aspect ratio. They were shot specifically for television in the 80's and 90's. They probably shot several of them on film, but I doubt there was ever a "widescreen" version of any of them until this decade. | |
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errant said: CrozzaUK said: Id imagine the majority of her videos were originally shot in 16:9 and altered for the 4:3 format, so in theory going back to the original tapes should have meant they could restore the videos to 16:9.....apparently not. It also makes me wonder how they'll alter a lot of the later videos released in 16:9???.....
I seriously doubt most of her videos were shot with a 16:9 aspect ratio. They were shot specifically for television in the 80's and 90's. They probably shot several of them on film, but I doubt there was ever a "widescreen" version of any of them until this decade. To be honest i dont know what they used to film music video's on, but some must have been shot using film surely? Im thinking Express Yourself must have been shot using film? If that was the case, and they've gone back to the original reels for remastering purposes, surely they could alter for 16.9? | |
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CrozzaUK said: errant said: I seriously doubt most of her videos were shot with a 16:9 aspect ratio. They were shot specifically for television in the 80's and 90's. They probably shot several of them on film, but I doubt there was ever a "widescreen" version of any of them until this decade. To be honest i dont know what they used to film music video's on, but some must have been shot using film surely? Im thinking Express Yourself must have been shot using film? If that was the case, and they've gone back to the original reels for remastering purposes, surely they could alter for 16.9? tue. but even if they shot it on film, that doesn't necessarily mean it was framed for film when it was shot. | |
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CHIC0 said: Gonna pick this up,along with the CDs,on Tuesday morning on the way to work.Fortunately,there's a Best Buy and a Target right down the street from my job,lol. | |
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Thought yall said Dress You Up was going to be on it? | |
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xlr8r said: Thought yall said Dress You Up was going to be on it?
"Dress You Up" is on the CDs,but the video is not included on the DVD.It was just a live performance from the Virgin Tour,anyway.Not really essential. | |
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SoulAlive said: xlr8r said: Thought yall said Dress You Up was going to be on it?
"Dress You Up" is on the CDs,but the video is not included on the DVD.It was just a live performance from the Virgin Tour,anyway.Not really essential. ...especially when they couldn't see fit to add essential videos like "Oh Father" and "Bad Girl"! "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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SoulAlive said: xlr8r said: Thought yall said Dress You Up was going to be on it?
"Dress You Up" is on the CDs,but the video is not included on the DVD.It was just a live performance from the Virgin Tour,anyway.Not really essential. Ya I saw that after I posted. Phew! | |
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SoulAlive said: CHIC0 said: Gonna pick this up,along with the CDs,on Tuesday morning on the way to work.Fortunately,there's a Best Buy and a Target right down the street from my job,lol. Both of those and Meijer are basically across the street from where my new job. Considering I have a lot to get ready, I still think I'll wait until Thursday. I wonder what the prices are going to be? So far it looks like the lowest price for the Double CD is $16.99 (not bad but not great) and $19.99 for the DVD. Both on Amazon. I'm hoping at least one store matches or beats those prices. [Edited 9/24/09 20:40pm] | |
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they think it more important to include the Love fucking Profusion video (a god damn make-up commercial) over Oh Father and Bad Girl, two of her most essential videos?
i hate this whole fucking affair from the ground up. | |
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OK, I've listened to it a few times now.
Is this thing REALLY remastered? I can tell that it sounds improved on certain tracks like Justify My Love and Erotica. Also I can tell on 'Burning Up' but I prefer the version from the original album--though I don't hate this version. It's not half bad, but the song sequence is really really odd to me. | |
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