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PrintableRKJCNE said: midiscover said: To this and this doesn't showcase all of Janet's great vocals. Janet held her own singing along the biggest divas in the industry Elton John and Luther Vandross!  you call that a vocal range? its shit! neither Madonna nor Janet have great vocal ranges. Janet= The voice of an angel! 
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ehuffnsd said:[quote] midiscover said: ReInvention Tour The Forum Los Angeles 43,158 / 43,158 (100%) $6,965,055 MGM Grand Garden Arena Las Vegas 28,341 / 28,341(100%) $7,005,548 Arrowhead Pond Anaheim 24,250 / 24,250 (100%) $4,164,450 HP Pavilion at San Jose San Jose 40,205 / 40,205 (100%) $5,543,715 MCI Center Washington, D.C. 26,788 / 26,788 (100%) $3,486,684 Madison Square Garden New York 88,625 / 88,625 (100%) $12,674,925 Worcester's Centrum Centre Worcester 46,075 / 46,075 (100%) $6,439,890 Wachovia Center Philadelphia 30,575 / 30,575 (100%) $4,134,478 Continental Arena East Rutherford 29,315 / 29,315 (100%) $4,437,345 United Center Chicago 59,591 / 59,591 (100%) $7,894,105 Air Canada Centre Toronto 52,160 / 52,160 (100%) $5,332,703 Philips Arena Atlanta 25,627 / 25,627 (100%) $3,450,874 Office Depot Center Fort Lauderdale 28,208 / 28,208 (100%) $3,834,522 American Airlines Arena Miami 30,580 / 30,580 (100%) $4,145,760 Manchester Evening News Arena Manchester 27,320 / 27,320 (100%) $5,136,114 Earls Court London 34,087 / 34,087 (100%) $6,356,207 Wembley Arena London 45,267 / 45,267 (100%) $9,809,717 Slane Castle Dublin 62,275 / 70,000 (90%) $6,575,339 Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy Paris 68,000 / 68,000 (100%) $7,357,529 Gelredome Arnhem 73,300 / 73,300(100%) $6,759,661 Pavilhão Atlântico Lisbon 33,460 / 33,460 (100%) $3,286,166 TOTAL 896,787 / 904,512 (99%) $124,790,787 [Edited 8/24/09 14:37pm] haha! When I say dud I mean musically, genius!! Btw - Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. went platinum. Also Madonna sales hasn't been all that stellar either. And blah! blah! blah! Her tour didn't do well because of the lack of promotion! That whole damn era was a mess! Her management team sucks! At least she can sell more than half of an arena unlike Mariah | |
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midiscover said: ehuffnsd said: [Edited 8/24/09 14:37pm] haha! When I say dud I mean musically, genius!! Btw - Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. went platinum. Also Madonna sales hasn't been all that stellar either. And blah! blah! blah! Her tour didn't do well because of the lack of promotion! That whole damn era was a mess! Her management team sucks! At least she can sell more than half of an arena unlike Mariah Janet's tour sucked because no one wanted to go. LOL You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: haha! When I say dud I mean musically, genius!! Btw - Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. went platinum. Also Madonna sales hasn't been all that stellar either. And blah! blah! blah! Her tour didn't do well because of the lack of promotion! That whole damn era was a mess! Her management team sucks! At least she can sell more than half of an arena unlike Mariah Janet's tour sucked because no one wanted to go. LOL Eh earth to dumbass! How would they know if it sucked if they didn't go?? | |
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midiscover said: ehuffnsd said: Janet's tour sucked because no one wanted to go. LOL Eh earth to dumbass! How would they know if it sucked if they didn't go?? Janet's people took out 8 weeks worth of ads in the paper i worked for at the time and only 75% of the Sports Arena sold out Madonna's people placed about 4 weeks worrth of ads in said paper and the venue sold out. do the math and name calling is very mature. [Edited 8/24/09 18:10pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: Eh earth to dumbass! How would they know if it sucked if they didn't go?? Janet's people took out 8 weeks worth of ads in the paper i worked for at the time and only 75% of the Sports Arena sold out Madonna's people placed about 4 weeks worrth of ads in said paper and the venue sold out. do the math and name calling is very mature. [Edited 8/24/09 18:10pm] Ads through newspapers??? 
As if anyone younger than 30 reads the newspaper!! Janet barely had any promo which is the main reason why she left IDJ!! And don't post statistics if you have nothing to back it up with such as sources! | |
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midiscover said: ehuffnsd said: Janet's people took out 8 weeks worth of ads in the paper i worked for at the time and only 75% of the Sports Arena sold out Madonna's people placed about 4 weeks worrth of ads in said paper and the venue sold out. do the math and name calling is very mature. [Edited 8/24/09 18:10pm] Ads through newspapers???
As if anyone younger than 30 reads the newspaper!! Janet barely had any promo which is the main reason why she left IDJ!! And don't post statistics if you have nothing to back it up with such as sources! like my job? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Madonna has proved that she's queen of pop with time.
Janet is great in her own way too, but is no where close to Madonna. Madonna's the definition of a versatility, and has always reinvented herself, while Janet in recent years (since 2004) has resorted to following trends, instead of trying something new. [Edited 8/24/09 20:38pm] | |
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I really hate comparisons like this but I will say this....
Who's better,Janet or Madonna? It's really just a matter of personal taste,but one thing that can't be disputed is,Madonna is doing better (career-wise) than Janet is. In this decade alone,Madonna has done four highly successful world tours.Her most recent tour 'Sticky and Sweet' is officially the most successful,most lucrative tour by a female artist.She's on tour right now,as we speak.And although both Janet and Madonna don't sell alot of CDs anymore (who does?),it's worth noting that Madonna can still get the occasional Top 10 hit in America ("Hung Up" and "4 Minutes").Not an easy feat for an artist her age. Janet's career has been a mess throughout most of this decade.Many of her fans continue to blame the SuperBowl backlash,but I think it's simply a case of her not evolving and trying new things.Furthermore,in these days of declining CD sales,touring is the best way to stay relevent and make lots of money,but Janet is even having problems in this area,too.Her last tour was a disaster,with numerous cancellations and postponements,and less-than-stellar ticket sales. | |
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suga10 said: Madonna has proved that she's queen of pop with time.
Janet is great in her own way too, but is no where close to Madonna. Madonna's the definition of a versatility, and has always reinvented herself, while Janet in recent years (since 2004) has resorted to following trends, instead of trying something new. Madonna is better at re-inventing herself and trying new things.All of her albums have a different sound and style.She's never been afraid to work with new producers (including unknown producers),try new beats and styles. | |
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midiscover said: wow, that was truly painful to listen to. she can't hold any longer notes and even has problem in hitting the short ones. fucking hell [Edited 8/25/09 1:56am] If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans. | |
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midiscover said: Janet's tour didn't do well because of the lack of promotion!
No,her tour didn't do well because she didn't bother to show up for most of the shows That's a major difference between Madonna and Janet.Since 2001,Madonna has earned a reputation as a hard-working,dependable,reliable live artist.If Madonna announces a tour,you can be damn sure that she is actually gonna follow through with it.Sadly,we can't say the same about Janet. | |
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midiscover said: paisleypark4 said: What u mean you forgot about Ne-yo and Missy Elliot too? Danja and Timberland are basically the same duo as The Neptunes with Chad on one end and Pharell on the other...sometimes they do stuff diffrently. Oops! Well it's safe to say that both Janet and Madonna's last album was really created to become commercial hits. Janet was trying to fit in with the Urban crowd = Epic fail! She basically left her main audience that made her (Pop)! And Madonna is just plain desperate working with Justin Timberfake and Timbaland! Neither of them didn't do anything groundbreaking artistically with their last two albums. Janet didn't experiment like she usually does.'Hard Candy' found Madonna working with "commercial" producers,but to her credit,she doesn't do this everytime.Her previous album was produced by Stuart Price,and the two albums before that were produced by Mirwais.Neither of those guys are "household names",and certainly not as popular as Jam and Lewis,Kanye west,Ne-Yo,Jermaine Dupri and the other producers that Janet routinely works with. Musically,Madonna (moreso than Janet) is more likely to experiment,take chances and work with producers/collaborators who aren't dominating the Top 10 charts.'Hard Candy' was the rare exception,as was 'Bedtime Stories' in 1994. | |
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Timmy84 said: The greatest female artist was from Detroit by way of Memphis.
looool, stop trolling!! Have some popcorn instead and watch the fight : madonna fans VS Janet fans  Everybody is somebody, but nobody wants to be themselves. | |
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jiorjios said: I do like Janet but my choice is...
Madonna I was a Janet fan in the 80s.Loved her first album (especially the song "Come Give Your Love To Me"),liked 'Control' too and I bought 'Rhythm Nation' the day it was released.But after that,she bored me.She transformed herself into a "sex singer" and has been playing that same role since 1993.She never really evolved or grew as an artist.Beginning with 'All For You',her albums became interchangeable....uninspired,sex-themed R&B albums with whispery,barely-there vocals.On 'Rhythm Nation',she had a purpose,a message,and some truly amazing grooves to go along with it.These days,she has none of those things. | |
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SoulAlive said: Musically,Madonna (moreso than Janet) is more likely to experiment,take chances and work with producers/collaborators who aren't dominating the Top 10 charts.'Hard Candy' was the rare exception,as was 'Bedtime Stories' in 1994. And that's where my stand is right now too. I don't even think that she even did it for the commercial aspect...it seemed like she wanted to see what kind of noise she can make with them. I think she loved Nelly Furtados album and wanted an album like that. She tried to get back to her core fans by going back to the 80's dance jams and stay current by teaming up with producers she is in favor of. Bedtime Stories was her way of "geting back in shape" after the hiatus of the JML - Erotica era in my opinion and it helped. We shall see what Janet got boiling in the pot next year...should be good  Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: SoulAlive said: Musically,Madonna (moreso than Janet) is more likely to experiment,take chances and work with producers/collaborators who aren't dominating the Top 10 charts.'Hard Candy' was the rare exception,as was 'Bedtime Stories' in 1994. And that's where my stand is right now too. I don't even think that she even did it for the commercial aspect...it seemed like she wanted to see what kind of noise she can make with them. I think she loved Nelly Furtados album and wanted an album like that. She tried to get back to her core fans by going back to the 80's dance jams and stay current by teaming up with producers she is in favor of. Bedtime Stories was her way of "geting back in shape" after the hiatus of the JML - Erotica era in my opinion and it helped. We shall see what Janet got boiling in the pot next year...should be good Janet is going back to Jam and Lewis,trying to recreate the same magic.While they are great producers,it remains to be seen where they can take her,musically.And if she's gonna continue singing about sex,sex and more sex,I don't see her new album taking her to new heights (artistically or commercially). | |
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SoulAlive said: paisleypark4 said: We shall see what Janet got boiling in the pot next year...should be good Janet is going back to Jam and Lewis,trying to recreate the same magic.While they are great producers,it remains to be seen where they can take her,musically.And if she's gonna continue singing about sex,sex and more sex,I don't see her new album taking her to new heights (artistically or commercially).  I mean if they can make magic like Free Xone, Velvet Rope, You and What About .... why not? Hopefully she went back to them for the sole purpose of saying, "you know what..I tried it...it did'nt work..lets get back to what works." She will dig deep in her soul I know she will   Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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SoulAlive said: jiorjios said: I do like Janet but my choice is...
Madonna I was a Janet fan in the 80s.Loved her first album (especially the song "Come Give Your Love To Me"),liked 'Control' too and I bought 'Rhythm Nation' the day it was released.But after that,she bored me.She transformed herself into a "sex singer" and has been playing that same role since 1993.She never really evolved or grew as an artist. I really would disagree with this, because The Velvet Rope is an album about depression, not sex. And it is perhaps her best work. | |
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SoulAlive said: midiscover said: Oops! Well it's safe to say that both Janet and Madonna's last album was really created to become commercial hits. Janet was trying to fit in with the Urban crowd = Epic fail! She basically left her main audience that made her (Pop)! And Madonna is just plain desperate working with Justin Timberfake and Timbaland! Neither of them didn't do anything groundbreaking artistically with their last two albums. Janet didn't experiment like she usually does.'Hard Candy' found Madonna working with "commercial" producers,but to her credit,she doesn't do this everytime.Her previous album was produced by Stuart Price,and the two albums before that were produced by Mirwais.Neither of those guys are "household names",and certainly not as popular as Jam and Lewis,Kanye west,Ne-Yo,Jermaine Dupri and the other producers that Janet routinely works with. Musically,Madonna (moreso than Janet) is more likely to experiment,take chances and work with producers/collaborators who aren't dominating the Top 10 charts.'Hard Candy' was the rare exception,as was 'Bedtime Stories' in 1994. Janet is more experimental! She has done rock, jazz, soul, r&b, pop, and even added gospel and opera in her music  [Edited 8/25/09 8:37am] | |
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suga10 said: Madonna has proved that she's queen of pop with time.
Janet is great in her own way too, but is no where close to Madonna. Madonna's the definition of a versatility, and has always reinvented herself, while Janet in recent years (since 2004) has resorted to following trends, instead of trying something new. [Edited 8/24/09 20:38pm] Janet following trends? As if!! WTF was Hard Candy to you??? Innovative? | |
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SoulAlive said: paisleypark4 said: And that's where my stand is right now too. I don't even think that she even did it for the commercial aspect...it seemed like she wanted to see what kind of noise she can make with them. I think she loved Nelly Furtados album and wanted an album like that. She tried to get back to her core fans by going back to the 80's dance jams and stay current by teaming up with producers she is in favor of. Bedtime Stories was her way of "geting back in shape" after the hiatus of the JML - Erotica era in my opinion and it helped. We shall see what Janet got boiling in the pot next year...should be good Janet is going back to Jam and Lewis,trying to recreate the same magic.While they are great producers,it remains to be seen where they can take her,musically.And if she's gonna continue singing about sex,sex and more sex,I don't see her new album taking her to new heights (artistically or commercially). Janet is working with J&L because they click musically and artistically! In her mind she thought she was doing good by doing shit hop. And don't be a prude!! Janet isn't the only singing about sex!! If she wants to sing about her vagina than dammit let it be She's been singing about sex since RN1814 but for some reason people just started noticing when All for You came out. | |
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SoulAlive said: midiscover said: Janet's tour didn't do well because of the lack of promotion!
No,her tour didn't do well because she didn't bother to show up for most of the shows That's a major difference between Madonna and Janet.Since 2001,Madonna has earned a reputation as a hard-working,dependable,reliable live artist.If Madonna announces a tour,you can be damn sure that she is actually gonna follow through with it.Sadly,we can't say the same about Janet.She didn't bother to show up to the later dates because of health reason Mmmkay! | |
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FrenchGuy said: Timmy84 said: The greatest female artist was from Detroit by way of Memphis.
looool, stop trolling!! Have some popcorn instead and watch the fight : madonna fans VS Janet fans LOL! For real! We know if there was a concert with Janet, Madonna and all their knock offs together against Aretha, she would mop the stage with every last one of them, using nothing but a microphone and a piano! All hail the Queen!  I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: FrenchGuy said:
looool, stop trolling!! Have some popcorn instead and watch the fight : madonna fans VS Janet fans LOL! For real! We know if there was a concert with Janet, Madonna and all their knock offs together against Aretha, she would mop the stage with every last one of them, using nothing but a microphone and a piano! All hail the Queen! And her damn titties!! | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: FrenchGuy said:
looool, stop trolling!! Have some popcorn instead and watch the fight : madonna fans VS Janet fans LOL! For real! We know if there was a concert with Janet, Madonna and all their knock offs together against Aretha, she would mop the stage with every last one of them, using nothing but a microphone and a piano! All hail the Queen! And the church say Amen. Hey, FrenchGuy, here's some popcorn for you -  | |
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Janet's way better! | |
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RKJCNE said: Madonna is more successful, because she has worked harder and wrote better songs then Janet, she is a better live performer and a far superior singer (see EVITA) yes Janet can sing and dance, but Madonna changed the game, artist like Britney, Christina, Lady GaGa, Kylie Minogue, etc. have spent ages trying to recreate what she has. Why do you think Madonna still has the most successful world wide tours? because her of the power of her music.
This must be some kind of JOKE
Yeah Madonna worked hard selling her soul 
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Riverpoet31 said: Janet Jacksons music is SO slight, empty and shallow. Anyone defending her as being a 'great artist' doesnt know shit about music, but is just going for the gossip / jackson option.
anyone defending madonna doesn't know anything about music either. Put it like this, Madonna maybe more successful because the media puts her out there more, but notice they put people like madonna and beyonce all over the media, because these two women are witches. But Madonna's music is lame, I don't EVER HER people playing madonna's music like that. they play janet's music more often. And the few madonna songs i hear at work are so lame. |
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midiscover said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: LOL! For real! We know if there was a concert with Janet, Madonna and all their knock offs together against Aretha, she would mop the stage with every last one of them, using nothing but a microphone and a piano! All hail the Queen! And her damn titties!! Well, duh! That goes without saying because you could mold both of ALL those heffa's titties together and they couldn't hold a candle to just one of Aretha's regal jugs! I'm strictly talking about musical ability and talent here! Do try to keep up!  I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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