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The greatest female artist was from Detroit by way of Memphis.
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Riverpoet31 said: Let me say first that mainstream pop isnt exactly my 'niche', and that i don't own any albums of both ladies. So i am judging myself on the singles i know, the videos i have seen and the ocassional album track i listened to.
What 'binds' them: they both have rather mediocre singing voices, and both rely on their producers a lot for their music. But i take Madonna over Janet Jackson any day. Why? - I remember the songs Janet did with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, they seemed to have a certain edge / funkieness, allthough it was a more 'commercialised' take on the Minneapolis Sound. But after that? Apart from Thats the way love goes (probably because of the Joni Mitchell sample) i dont really remember any song from Janet. Bland, contemporary R&B with a weak singing voice on top doesnt exactly keep my interest. - Madonna did write a lot of her songs herself. And in the mainstream pop department she really knows how to deliver a catchy (but not too bland, sometimes even brilliant) popmelody. Many of her songs are simply very well composed, no matter the instrumental execution. - I agree she is business savy, 'coating' her music with what is (becoming) popular at the time. But that also shows she is ready to evolve as a musician, trying out new styles (instead of playing it safe, and boring, like Janet seems to do with her bland R&B). In essence her music remains mainstream pop, but she gives a fresh 'twist' to it often by letting people like William Orbit, Marius de Vries an Daft Punk producer her. To conclude, Janet 'owes' her career to her family connections and riding along the momentum of the Minneapolis sound. Nothing more. Madonna is just as thin voiced, but she is a better songwriter, she has a way better nose for the next 'big thing' and she has just more edge then Janet. IMO it would have been more logical to make this a Michael Jackson vs Madonna showdown. What happened to Jermaine Jackson's career? What about Latoya? Rebbie? Marlon? Randy?  | |
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Timmy84 said: The greatest female artist was from Detroit by way of Memphis.
Thank you MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: midiscover said: She doesn't have a vocal range. so is janet...geez, I don't like madonna,but to even hint that Madonna doesn't have a vocal range and janet has one is a bit absurd.  It's true! Compare this crap! To this and this doesn't showcase all of Janet's great vocals. Janet held her own singing along the biggest divas in the industry Elton John and Luther Vandross!  | |
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midiscover said: seeingvoices12 said: so is janet...geez, I don't like madonna,but to even hint that Madonna doesn't have a vocal range and janet has one is a bit absurd. It's true! Compare this crap! To this and this doesn't showcase all of Janet's great vocals. Janet held her own singing along the biggest divas in the industry Elton John and Luther Vandross![/b]  MICHAEL JACKSON
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seeingvoices12 said: midiscover said: It's true! Compare this crap! To this and this doesn't showcase all of Janet's great vocals. Janet held her own singing along the biggest divas in the industry Elton John and Luther Vandross![/b] She did a duet with Elton John and Luther Vandross!! | |
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suga10 said: Janet 1994 Oscars
[Edited 8/24/09 12:19pm] So beautiful!  | |
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suga10 said: She's yodeling! | |
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midiscover said: seeingvoices12 said: are you sure you didn't inflate her talent? Go just to the previous page of this thread , Page 6, you said and quoted the word "Indeed" to the post that says " Janet is the Greatest female artist of all time", now if you believe in this title then you have the right to do that however don't try to convince others that she is, that title is just huge for someone like Janet , the fact that you say that "livin in a world" is smiliar to "heal the worlds" says alot,and you don't need to point Janet talents for me, Im not ignorant about her , I know eveything about janet, as i said, Im a fan of her...stop infalting her talents. Now lets end this discussion please, because its unfair to compare a child prodigy , a genuis musician who broke every possible barrier, and reached to every race, culture and langauge like MJ to someone like janet , it's more fair to compare her to female artists like madonna , mariah carey and cyndi lapuer so please back to the topic, I was forced to comment on here cause you quoted my post, i hope you won't respond to this I won't be obliged to respond. BLAH!BLAH!BLAH! And so what if people think Janet's the greatest female artist of all time? It's all matter of opinion!! and you say that title is too big for Janet?? How so? She has done every possible genre, wrote great songs, amazing dancer and actor!! Livin in the World is very similar to Heal the World! Note that Janet used the children choir and than MJ did!!! And Puhlesee!! Genius musician?? MJ couldn't play any instruments! Child Prodigy?? Yes! But so is Janet! She was acting at 7. And what barrier did MJ break?? They were playing black artists on MTV before he came along. 
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VoicesCarry said: Spanish Lesson wasn't off? That's generally regarded as one of the biggest turds on the album
I don't love American Life. The album has some truly atrocious shit on it, and some decent material as well. But at least she was taking some risks and experimenting wtih a new direction. Even if it didn't pay off, that's what Madonna's music is supposed to be about. After American Life, she really stopped taking any chances with her music. See, that's an interesting comment. You think the songs were great, but you don't like the album because you don't feel it was a Janet album. But at the same time, you also want her to try something new and different. If she does, though, it's not going to sound like a Janet album - she can't win. What Discipline lacked was her connection to the writing. I am glad she is writing again for the new project. As for the songs on Discipline, I think tracks like Feedback, Rock With U and So Much Betta are superior to anything on Hard Candy. Feedback, in particular, should have been much bigger than it was - that was ace in every sense of the word. It had the classic Janet swagger but also updated her sound effectively. I thought Spanish Lesson was a hype dance with some outrageous production. I tear up the floor when that tune comes on. And what about "Confessions"? She didnt stop taking chances...the Euro-Dance was different than Music & American Life..both having distinctive diffrences in sound even if one was less comforting than the other. Discipline Vs. Hard Candy. in my opinion. Mess like Greatest X Eva  Curtains Never Let Chu Go The 1 seriously that song should have stayed in the vault. Discipline aiight..but its tired.
Was not as broad and experiemntal as Hard Candy's production. Enough duds..lets get to the jams: So Much Betta was HAWT I admit Feedback - slammin Rollercoaster - ok 2Nite -coo Rock With U -hot But these tunes werent as suprising. It's like I heard them done before other than So Much Betta, and that was a take on Daft Punk's "Da Funk". Candy Shop - Aiight, been done... 4 Minutes - Coo Heartbeat - Headbanger Miles Away - Ok.it's been done She's Not Me - Slammin that 70's 80's funk Incredible - Incredibly slammin Dance 2Nite - slammin The Beat Goes On - Headbanging 80's funk Spanish Lesson - Mindless banger Devil Wouldnt - aiight Voices - ok Don't get me wrong, I LOVES me some Janet RIGHT NOW..I just cant click with her music. Havent been turned on by her recent output. And last...Janet was not trying something new as in sound, but in a hand of new producers...it still stayed in touch with her style of music...it did go beyond her realm..where Madonna has continuously spread her style more so than Janet has in the past 9 years. Im rooting for Janet to come back hard..I knwo she can do it. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Timmy84 said: The greatest female artist was from Detroit by way of Memphis.
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trueiopian said: midiscover said: BLAH!BLAH!BLAH! And so what if people think Janet's the greatest female artist of all time? It's all matter of opinion!! and you say that title is too big for Janet?? How so? She has done every possible genre, wrote great songs, amazing dancer and actor!! Livin in the World is very similar to Heal the World! Note that Janet used the children choir and than MJ did!!! And Puhlesee!! Genius musician?? MJ couldn't play any instruments! Child Prodigy?? Yes! But so is Janet! She was acting at 7. And what barrier did MJ break?? They were playing black artists on MTV before he came along.
Nuff said! MICHAEL JACKSON
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suga10 said: [Edited 8/24/09 12:36pm] *Dead* Janet has a grown ass man crying in the audience
FYI! Janet was dancing her ass off just before that performance!! That's damn good! Janet live [Edited 8/24/09 12:41pm] [Edited 8/24/09 12:42pm] | |
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What happened to Jermaine Jackson's career? What about Latoya? Rebbie? Marlon? Randy?
The same that happened to Janet Jacksons career after she quit with Jam and Lewis, duh... She did have the luck to ride along the wave of the popularity of the Minneapolis sound. Combined with her dancing abilities and big-budget video's, but as subsequent albums show she simply didnt have the voice and the songwriting abilities (did she ever wrote a musical composition herself, apart from the lyrics?) to have staying power. Not commercially, and certainly not on an artistic level. You might feel she is the greatest artist ever, but what do you compare her to: Debarge? Five Star? Shalamar? Give me a fucking break please. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: What happened to Jermaine Jackson's career? What about Latoya? Rebbie? Marlon? Randy?
The same that happened to Janet Jacksons career after she quit with Jam and Lewis, duh... She did have the luck to ride along the wave of the popularity of the Minneapolis sound. Combined with her dancing abilities and big-budget video's, but as subsequent albums show she simply didnt have the voice and the songwriting abilities (did she ever wrote a musical composition herself, apart from the lyrics?) to have staying power. Not commercially, and certainly not on an artistic level. You might feel she is the greatest artist ever, but what do you compare her to: Debarge? Five Star? Shalamar? Give me a fucking break please. Her career is doing fine! She just had a two dud albums just like Madonna, Mariah Carey Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson and etc.!! It happens to a lot of artists  She had her strike of good albums Control-Damita Jo and she never quit with J&L she's working with them again! She wrote a number of hits! She wrote Together Again! That's The Way Love Goes, Again, Black Cat in which she came up with the guitar chord for! Just about all over songs with J&L.
Debarge? Five Star? Shalamar? Let me guess - Unsung?
You can compare Debarge/Five Star/Shalamar to The Jackson's, not Janet! she's a one person act not a group. [Edited 8/24/09 12:56pm] | |
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midiscover said: paisleypark4 said: Yeah I stand by that. Discipline was basically a bunch of producers trying to write Janet back in. Don't get me wrong the songs were great, but only a COUPLE of them were Janet ya know? I didnt feel her. It felt cold and lacking distinction on what she was trying to portray other than bondage and discipline. A tired played bag she put on us already. There was no theme or distinctive sound.
Ehhh and wtf was Hard Candy to you?? And you say Janet just worked with a bunch of producers? The only recognizable and popular producer she worked with on that album is Darkchild and Stargate other than that she worked with Jermaine Dupri (Gag me), The-Dream (Ew!) and Tricky Stewart. But Madonna worked with Timbaland, The Neptunes, Danja and Justin Timberfake! You don't get anymore desperate than that!! I don't like Discipline but you would have to be crazy to say Hard Candy is better
Feedback > 4 Minutes! What u mean you forgot about Ne-yo and Missy Elliot too? Danja and Timberland are basically the same duo as The Neptunes with Chad on one end and Pharell on the other...sometimes they do stuff diffrently. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: midiscover said:
Ehhh and wtf was Hard Candy to you?? And you say Janet just worked with a bunch of producers? The only recognizable and popular producer she worked with on that album is Darkchild and Stargate other than that she worked with Jermaine Dupri (Gag me), The-Dream (Ew!) and Tricky Stewart. But Madonna worked with Timbaland, The Neptunes, Danja and Justin Timberfake! You don't get anymore desperate than that!! I don't like Discipline but you would have to be crazy to say Hard Candy is better
Feedback > 4 Minutes! What u mean you forgot about Ne-yo and Missy Elliot too? Danja and Timberland are basically the same duo as The Neptunes with Chad on one end and Pharell on the other...sometimes they do stuff diffrently. Oops! Well it's safe to say that both Janet and Madonna's last album was really created to become commercial hits. Janet was trying to fit in with the Urban crowd = Epic fail! She basically left her main audience that made her (Pop)! And Madonna is just plain desperate working with Justin Timberfake and Timbaland! Neither of them didn't do anything groundbreaking artistically with their last two albums. Janet didn't experiment like she usually does. | |
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Isn't Janet blacklisted on music station still b/c of the superbowl incident? | |
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Madonna is more successful, because she has worked harder and wrote better songs then Janet, she is a better live performer and a far superior singer (see EVITA) yes Janet can sing and dance, but Madonna changed the game, artist like Britney, Christina, Lady GaGa, Kylie Minogue, etc. have spent ages trying to recreate what she has. Why do you think Madonna still has the most successful world wide tours? because her of the power of her music. 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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midiscover said: paisleypark4 said: What u mean you forgot about Ne-yo and Missy Elliot too? Danja and Timberland are basically the same duo as The Neptunes with Chad on one end and Pharell on the other...sometimes they do stuff diffrently. Oops! Well it's safe to say that both Janet and Madonna's last album was really created to become commercial hits. Janet was trying to fit in with the Urban crowd = Epic fail! She basically left her main audience that made her (Pop)! And Madonna is just plain desperate working with Justin Timberfake and Timbaland! Neither of them didn't do anything groundbreaking artistically with their last two albums. Janet didn't experiment like she usually does.Yeah you should have seen my face watching Janet do "Strawberry Bounce" after the Superbowl Incident on SNL...was she just trying to kill her career? You should have seen my face when her "calender" came out of her so scantily clad even people her age was saying she need to stop that mess...and my lil bro and sis saying she too old for that. Madonna on the other hand..when she is a bit clad it was always in a classic artistic form. It was always in a "FU: I'm Madonna F all yall B---S" type of manner. And that's who she been since the beginning. Janet always had this shy girl next door mode, and when she found that she was indeed attractive she let it go to her head. She forgot it was her music, classic style and commanding dance moves and videos that established her pop identiy. Hope she takes control of her career again instead of flushing back and forth through labels and having people write her ish for her. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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midiscover said: To this and this doesn't showcase all of Janet's great vocals. Janet held her own singing along the biggest divas in the industry Elton John and Luther Vandross! you call that a vocal range? its shit! neither Madonna nor Janet have great vocal ranges. 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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midiscover said: Riverpoet31 said: The same that happened to Janet Jacksons career after she quit with Jam and Lewis, duh... She did have the luck to ride along the wave of the popularity of the Minneapolis sound. Combined with her dancing abilities and big-budget video's, but as subsequent albums show she simply didnt have the voice and the songwriting abilities (did she ever wrote a musical composition herself, apart from the lyrics?) to have staying power. Not commercially, and certainly not on an artistic level. You might feel she is the greatest artist ever, but what do you compare her to: Debarge? Five Star? Shalamar? Give me a fucking break please. Her career is doing fine! She just had a two dud albums just like Madonna, Mariah Carey Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson and etc.!! It happens to a lot of artists She had her strike of good albums Control-Damita Jo and she never quit with J&L she's working with them again! She wrote a number of hits! She wrote Together Again! That's The Way Love Goes, Again, Black Cat in which she came up with the guitar chord for! Just about all over songs with J&L.
Debarge? Five Star? Shalamar? Let me guess - Unsung?
You can compare Debarge/Five Star/Shalamar to The Jackson's, not Janet! she's a one person act not a group. [Edited 8/24/09 12:56pm] 3 duds and a canceled tour and with her dud of American Life Madonna was still able to pull out the most successful tour of that year, by billing it a Greatest Hits Tour which it wasn't. Janet billed hers as a greatest hits tour and couldn't sell out a venue. Rock Witchu Tour GM Place Vancouver 8,941 / 11,074 (81%) $927,098 [7] Oracle Arena Oakland 9,430 / 12,282 (77%) $809,478 [8] Staples Center Los Angeles 12,109 / 12,109 (100%) $1,181,045 [8] Mandalay Bay Events Center Las Vegas 8,085 / 8,168 (99%) $1,027,602 [9] Allstate Arena Rosemont 9,519 / 11,541 (82%) $792,139 [9] Verizon Center Washington DC 9,720 / 10,389 (94%) $1,077,846 [10] Izod Center East Rutherford 10,865 / 14,247 (76%) $883,472 [10] Philips Arena Atlanta 7,503 / 9,698 (77%) $665,775 [11] Toyota Center Houston 7,385 / 7,470 (99%) $578,039 [10] American Airlines Center Dallas 7,729 / 11,640 (66%) $532,393 [10] BOK Center Tulsa 5,355 / 6,208 (86%) $231,690 [11] Palace of Auburn Hills Detroit 7,733 / 9,687 (80%) $441,578 [11] Madison Square Garden New York City 9,995 / 12,029 (83%) $799,082 [12] TOTAL 114,034 / 136,542 (84%) $9,917,237 ReInvention Tour The Forum Los Angeles 43,158 / 43,158 (100%) $6,965,055 MGM Grand Garden Arena Las Vegas 28,341 / 28,341(100%) $7,005,548 Arrowhead Pond Anaheim 24,250 / 24,250 (100%) $4,164,450 HP Pavilion at San Jose San Jose 40,205 / 40,205 (100%) $5,543,715 MCI Center Washington, D.C. 26,788 / 26,788 (100%) $3,486,684 Madison Square Garden New York 88,625 / 88,625 (100%) $12,674,925 Worcester's Centrum Centre Worcester 46,075 / 46,075 (100%) $6,439,890 Wachovia Center Philadelphia 30,575 / 30,575 (100%) $4,134,478 Continental Arena East Rutherford 29,315 / 29,315 (100%) $4,437,345 United Center Chicago 59,591 / 59,591 (100%) $7,894,105 Air Canada Centre Toronto 52,160 / 52,160 (100%) $5,332,703 Philips Arena Atlanta 25,627 / 25,627 (100%) $3,450,874 Office Depot Center Fort Lauderdale 28,208 / 28,208 (100%) $3,834,522 American Airlines Arena Miami 30,580 / 30,580 (100%) $4,145,760 Manchester Evening News Arena Manchester 27,320 / 27,320 (100%) $5,136,114 Earls Court London 34,087 / 34,087 (100%) $6,356,207 Wembley Arena London 45,267 / 45,267 (100%) $9,809,717 Slane Castle Dublin 62,275 / 70,000 (90%) $6,575,339 Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy Paris 68,000 / 68,000 (100%) $7,357,529 Gelredome Arnhem 73,300 / 73,300(100%) $6,759,661 Pavilhão Atlântico Lisbon 33,460 / 33,460 (100%) $3,286,166 TOTAL 896,787 / 904,512 (99%) $124,790,787 [Edited 8/24/09 14:37pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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err.. this is not an MJ vs Jan thread. They both respect each other. There is footage of MJ dancing to Jan's music at Neverland. And MJ has been asking to work with Janet since RN, but she declined until she felt she was a star in her own right | |
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suga10 said: Madonna's voice has gotten better with time
to me that's a horrible vocal performance.. she peaked vocally on the Blond Ambition Tour. well I havent seen a whole concert but she sounds good on truth or dare when it's live. Girlie Show was cool aswell. Drowned World Tour and onwards..  | |
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Janet Jacksons music is SO slight, empty and shallow. Anyone defending her as being a 'great artist' doesnt know shit about music, but is just going for the gossip / jackson option. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Janet Jacksons music is SO slight, empty and shallow. Anyone defending her as being a 'great artist' doesnt know shit about music, but is just going for the gossip / jackson option.
Eww hater! Leave Janet alone! | |
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