paisleypark4 said:

VoicesCarry said:

We already had this conversation months ago and resolved it. Hey Timbaland and Pharell are my two favorite producers out right now and an album of both of these guys together would have been good anyway. I rate Nelly Furtado's Loose as one of my favorites of the last 9 years as well as most of the work the Neptunes put out.

Anyway so much as it doesnt have alot of the personality that Madonna put into previous efforts but the album took me back to the "Madonna" album as much as a danceable, quirky, 80's / 90's sounding album that flowed together very well. No track seemed off other than Voices. We know you loved you some American Life and that mess was a travesty imo, clutch the pearls chile!



How you gonna put another electronic album out with worse production than the last? I wanted to slap her for that one.



Yeah I stand by that. Discipline was basically a bunch of producers trying to write Janet back in. Don't get me wrong the songs were great, but only a COUPLE of them were Janet ya know? I didnt feel her. It felt cold and lacking distinction on what she was trying to portray other than bondage and discipline. A tired played bag she put on us already. There was no theme or distinctive sound.

Janet, of course!!

Much sexier, better dancer, better singer (at least compared to Madonna), AND Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis... They just experienced so much versatility in their music, thanx to Janet!

Sorry, but besides "La Isla Bonita", "Like A Prayer", "Holiday", "Frozen" and "Music", I've never been a fan of Madonna... I own hundred of CDs but I only have one of her CDs, being a "Greatest Hits" Collection

Whereas ... "Control", "Come back To Me", "If", "Thats the Way..." , "You Want This", "Nasty", "Black Cat", "Again", "Together Again", "Got Til Its Gone", "Everytime", "All For You", "Son Of A Gun", "China Love", "With U", "All Nite", "Thinking Bout My Ex", "I Want You", 'Rock Wit U".... Pffewww, the list goes on and on...

paisleypark4 said:

Ehhh and wtf was Hard Candy to you?? And you say Janet just worked with a bunch of producers? The only recognizable and popular producer she worked with on that album is Darkchild and Stargate other than that she worked with Jermaine Dupri (Gag me), The-Dream (Ew!) and Tricky Stewart. But Madonna worked with Timbaland, The Neptunes, Danja and Justin Timberfake! You don't get anymore desperate than that!!

I don't like Discipline but you would have to be crazy to say Hard Candy is better

Feedback > 4 Minutes!

Hell! Madonna even had Feedback on her iTunes list!

paisleypark4 said:

I love Loose. Not a Neptunes fan whatsoever (one trick ponies for me).



Spanish Lesson wasn't off? That's generally regarded as one of the biggest turds on the album



I don't love American Life. The album has some truly atrocious shit on it, and some decent material as well. But at least she was taking some risks and experimenting wtih a new direction. Even if it didn't pay off, that's what Madonna's music is supposed to be about.

After American Life, she really stopped taking any chances with her music.

paisleypark4 said:

See, that's an interesting comment. You think the songs were great, but you don't like the album because you don't feel it was a Janet album. But at the same time, you also want her to try something new and different. If she does, though, it's not going to sound like a Janet album - she can't win.

What Discipline lacked was her connection to the writing. I am glad she is writing again for the new project.

As for the songs on Discipline, I think tracks like Feedback, Rock With U and So Much Betta are superior to anything on Hard Candy. Feedback, in particular, should have been much bigger than it was - that was ace in every sense of the word. It had the classic Janet swagger but also updated her sound effectively.
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Janet is really beautiful in this music video, I love her smile near the end of the video at 4:11 , and I love this song.

seeingvoices12 said:

Right....



Rhythm Nation @ 5:14

And Heal World is very similar to Livin' in a World


And who knew being a singer/dancer/actress/songwriter was mediocre?
Janet's talent and influence shouldn't be downplayed!

^^ Preach!!



Rhythm Nation again!!

trueiopian said:

See the previous video I posed for Janet, I have nothing aganist the woman, I do love janet however you and some other cats need to stop inflating her talents, I mean, you guys and some others reached to the level to call her the greatest female entertainer of all time which is a laugh....

Just because Michael took some moves from her means NOTHING , are you gonna tell Janet influenced MJ? I know some of you are capable to make such absurd outrageous statements.

Stop trippin, Heal the world is smiliar to things MJ has always been doing, We are the world, man in the mirror...etc.
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seeingvoices12 said:

YES!! YES! YESS! Janet clearly influenced MJ!! and vice versa
Why is that so hard to believe huh???
No one is inflating her talent! It's already inflated enough by just seeing what she has accomplished! The Rhythm Nation album influenced MJ's Dangerous!! And he didn't just take a few moves silly!! He took the damn wardrobe as well!!
Everyone wants to credit MJ for the "heal the world" songs when Janet did it way before him


With the children choir!

midiscover said:

No, you guys inflated her talents to Death, calling her the greatest female artist of all time Does it get more ridiculous than this.

Rhythm nation dance moves were already infulenced by Mj's captin EO so if anything Mj stole his own moves....

Before livin in a world, heal the world,....there were songs called "we are the world" , "man in the mirror" , the fact that you saying that Mj took this from janet is utterly ridiculous and pathetic.

seeingvoices12 said:

Eh people think MJ is the greatest male artist of all time
And so what if there are people that think Janet is the greatest female artist of all time?? I don't see anything wrong with that!

The dance moves of Rhythm Nation are in no way similar to Captain EO
Janet took the military concept and the stance of the dancers that's all! Besides the Captain Eo dance was choreographed by Jeffery Danials!!

And you're cleary trying to avoid the obvious relation between Livin in a World and Heal the World

And MJ wanted to work with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis for Dangerous (Hmm I wonder why?) but they said No because they were dedicated to working with Janet for janet. album and MJ also asked Janet to collab with him during the RN1814 era but she said No

midiscover said:

How old are you?

seeingvoices12 said:

I never said you had anything against Janet nor did I inflate her talent

I was just responding to this:

seeingvoices12 said:

You said Janet has no artistic influence when its evident she has influenced a number of artists including yours truly

you also said she's a "mediocre" talent so I pointed out her talents for you

seeingvoices12 said:

Here comes the personal attacks!

midiscover said:

Since when saying to someone " How old are you" is a personal insult unless if you think that your behaviour was childish...what do you think?

seeingvoices12 said:

Read the bolded.

This isn't about me

I should've known this was gonna denigrate into this.

Janet is a better dancer and entertainer, but Madonna is a better singer and more versatile.
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I wonder if Madonna could ever sing a song like "Again"

midiscover said:

Its hard to imagine Madonna singing that.

But lets put it vice-versa.

Can You imagine Janet singing I'll Remember and Take a Bow, because I can't
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Let me say first that mainstream pop isnt exactly my 'niche', and that i don't own any albums of both ladies. So i am judging myself on the singles i know, the videos i have seen and the ocassional album track i listened to.

What 'binds' them: they both have rather mediocre singing voices, and both rely on their producers a lot for their music.

But i take Madonna over Janet Jackson any day. Why?

- I remember the songs Janet did with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, they seemed to have a certain edge / funkieness, allthough it was a more 'commercialised' take on the Minneapolis Sound. But after that? Apart from Thats the way love goes (probably because of the Joni Mitchell sample) i dont really remember any song from Janet. Bland, contemporary R&B with a weak singing voice on top doesnt exactly keep my interest.

- Madonna did write a lot of her songs herself. And in the mainstream pop department she really knows how to deliver a catchy (but not too bland, sometimes even brilliant) popmelody. Many of her songs are simply very well composed, no matter the instrumental execution.

- I agree she is business savy, 'coating' her music with what is (becoming) popular at the time. But that also shows she is ready to evolve as a musician, trying out new styles (instead of playing it safe, and boring, like Janet seems to do with her bland R&B). In essence her music remains mainstream pop, but she gives a fresh 'twist' to it often by letting people like William Orbit, Marius de Vries an Daft Punk producer her.

To conclude, Janet 'owes' her career to her family connections and riding along the momentum of the Minneapolis sound. Nothing more. Madonna is just as thin voiced, but she is a better songwriter, she has a way better nose for the next 'big thing' and she has just more edge then Janet.

IMO it would have been more logical to make this a Michael Jackson vs Madonna showdown.

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seeingvoices12 said:

are you sure you didn't inflate her talent? Go just to the previous page of this thread , Page 6, you said and quoted the word "Indeed" to the post that says " Janet is the Greatest female artist of all time", now if you believe in this title then you have the right to do that however don't try to convince others that she is, that title is just huge for someone like Janet , the fact that you say that "livin in a world" is smiliar to "heal the worlds" says alot,and you don't need to point Janet talents for me, Im not ignorant about her , I know eveything about janet, as i said, Im a fan of her...stop infalting her talents.

Now lets end this discussion please, because its unfair to compare a child prodigy , a genuis musician who broke every possible barrier, and reached to every race, culture and langauge like MJ to someone like janet , it's more fair to compare her to female artists like madonna , mariah carey and cyndi lapuer so please back to the topic, I was forced to comment on here cause you quoted my post, i hope you won't respond to this I won't be obliged to respond.

Madonna's voice has gotten better with time

suga10 said:

She doesn't have a vocal range.

seeingvoices12 said:

BLAH!BLAH!BLAH!

And so what if people think Janet's the greatest female artist of all time? It's all matter of opinion!! and you say that title is too big for Janet?? How so? She has done every possible genre, wrote great songs, amazing dancer and actor!! Livin in the World is very similar to Heal the World! Note that Janet used the children choir and than MJ did!!! And Puhlesee!! Genius musician?? MJ couldn't play any instruments! Child Prodigy?? Yes! But so is Janet! She was acting at 7. And what barrier did MJ break?? They were playing black artists on MTV before he came along.

midiscover said:

so is janet...geez, I don't like madonna,but to even hint that Madonna doesn't have a vocal range and janet has one is a bit absurd.