ehuffnsd said:

I meant by her music. Bette was bawdy onstage even though she was singing "Bugle Wugle Boy". I give her props for going to gay audiences back in the day when no one else paid attention to her.

Timmy84 said:

remember today the look and style are just as important as the music.

ehuffnsd said:

That's a funny song.

ehuffnsd said:

Point where do we see the affect??

ehuffnsd said:

You're talking out of your ass! Which tour?

ehuffnsd said:

Control is known as the album that created a bridge between R&B and rap music and also is one of the most influential R&B albums of all time. Control is the album that many artists look at and started the whole attitude that acts like Beyonce follow (a la Single Ladies). TVR is very influential as well. Christina Aguilera had her own TVR album. The janet album influenced artists like Aaliyah and TLC. How many females artists try to duplicate "That's The Way Love Goes"? Way too many!

ehuffnsd said:

You're lying to yourself!!

Janet's influence:

Janet


Imitators

Whatever You Want is a total rip-off of You Want This!

Janet


Imitator



go to 1:25

ehuffnsd said:

HELLO!! Bobby Womack was inducted till this year!! Janet will be inducted soon!!

Janet


Usher

midiscover said:

the video is a direct rip off the opening sequence of Faster Pussy Cat! Kill! Kill! not a creation of Janet Jackson



prior to Blond Ambition no act toured with a handset microphone for the singer to dance on stage with the back up dancers, normally they did a handset and part of the routine.

prior to Blond Ambition no Fashion House was ever commissioned to design costumes for a concert

the costumes and music of set lists put together to cohesive performance similar to a theatre is also part of the Blond Ambition tour.
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midiscover said:

You're completely missing the point. OK don't call it R&B. Call it whatever you want. Janet's pop is much closer to today's pop than Madonna's. My personal opinion is that they are both great (I would rate Janet much above Whitney, Mariah, Celine etc) but Madonna is much better. Because Janet is just a person who is doing his job extremely well. Madonna is the person who defined the job. Got it?
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oh and lets not forget that Madonna's Cherish inspired Janet Jackson to get Herb Ritts to direct her Love Will Never Do Video. In fact Madonna is the one that talked Herb into music video directing.



janet. was a response to Erotica.
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jiorjios said:

that is Your personal opinion. Madonna canNOT dance, her vocals are not better then janet's, so PLEASE TELL ME how is madonna more talent.

LETS SPEAK ON TALENT, and not success, because we know why madonna is successful and it has nothing to do with talent, otherwise you would have mentioned that LONG AGO.

she can't dance, her voice isn't that good, she is average looking, she had a terrible personality, she is actually boring, I have listened to a few of her recent songs, and her music is lame.

Hell I think without Diana, we wouldn't be talking about Miss Jackson and Ms. Ciccone, check this out:



Check it out around, oh, I say, around 6 minutes into this video. Couldn't find the single clip where it just shows her dancing with the dude.

ehuffnsd said:

The only similarities
Is the car and road

ehuffnsd said:

Ok so now Madonna influnenced which mics entertainers use??

The bolded is a total lie Janet had back up dancers on her RN1814 tour and performend live with a hand mic through out till the Rhythm Nation sequence and she used a headset and her tour started before the Blond Ambition tour.

midiscover said:

the location of the video and Faster Pussy Cat! Kill! Kill! are the same look at the second video i posted.

By the way Midiscover compare the two sentences you wrote:
1)Ehh you clearly don't know jack what your talking about!! Janet's not an R&B artist the closest thing she did to R&B was the Damita Jo album but that even was closer to Pop more than anything. Janet is a Pop artist who turned to Urban music to further career which we all know was a big ass NO

2)Control is known as the album that created a bridge between R&B and rap music and also is one of the most influential R&B albums of all time. Control is the album that many artists look at and started the whole attitude that acts like Beyonce follow (a la Single Ladies). TVR is very influential as well. Christina Aguilera had her own TVR album. The janet album influenced artists like Aaliyah and TLC. How many females artists try to duplicate "That's The Way Love Goes"? Way too many!

So I guess u get my point about R&B. Yes Janet is the better R&B diva but Madonna is the better diva generally and you have every right to disagree with my opinion.
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ehuffnsd said:

we get that you don't really care for janet. But she is clearly more talented.

It doesn't matter if madonna inspired that ONE thing. Janet has clearly inspired TLC, Aaliyah, Ciara, Beyonce/DC, britney spears.

Janet has a more influence on young female american artist then madonna.

Lets TALK ABOUT TALENT. and not who inspired who.

Dance, Vocals, Writing, performance, personality, looks, charisma.

Madonna can't win. Sorry.

ehuffnsd said:

Lie!! Herb Ritts was popular at the time and was working on many other music videos! He directed MJ's In the Closet too. FYI- Cherish came in at #2 (It was BLOCKED by Janet's Miss You Much )

janet. was Janet opening up in no way is it similar to Erotica. Janet's approach was patient and sensual where as Erotica was tasteless and in your face.

ehuffnsd said:

janet had a headset microphone ON the 1986 CONTROL video

so janet started that cool trend.

TotalAlisa said:

She can't dance? OK I don't have to answer to this it's ridiculous

average looking, terrible personality, boring? I thought we were talking about talent and not who would be more loveable in school.

lame music? that's your opinion and I fully respect it. But it's not mine

midiscover said:

Cherish was the first video directed by Herb Ritts
# 1989: Madonna - "Cherish"
# 1990: Janet Jackson - "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" with Antonio Sabato Jr. and Djimon Hounsou
# 1991: Chris Isaak - "Wicked Game" (version 2) with Helena Christensen
# 1992: Michael Jackson - "In The Closet" with Naomi Campbell
# 1994: Jon Bon Jovi - "Please Come Home For Christmas" with Cindy Crawford
# 1996: Toni Braxton - "Let It Flow"
# 1998: Mariah Carey - "My All"
# 1999: Chris Isaak - "Baby Did A Bad, Bad Thing" with Laetitia Casta
# 2000: Tracy Chapman - "Telling Stories"
# 2001: Britney Spears - "Don't Let Me Be the Last to Know"
# 2001: Jennifer Lopez - "Ain't It Funny"
# 2001: 'N Sync - "Gone"
# 2002: Shakira - "Underneath Your Clothe

Herb Ritts and The Music World
Herb Ritts' his first album cover (1981) was Olivia Newton-John's Physical. Then, in 1984, Ritts photographed Madonna, marking another major turning point in his career, in an ad for her new movie, Desperately Seeking Susan. Meeting Madonna in this shoot paved the way for him to photograph her next album cover, True Blue (1986).

At Madonna's suggestion, Ritts tried his hand at directing music videos, beginning with her song "Cherish" in 1989. By 1991, he won MTV Video Music Awards for Chris Isaak's "Wicked Game" and Janet Jackson's "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" videos. He also achieved fame in later years directing Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, Shakira and Jennifer Lopez.
http://www.photographers-...-ritts.php
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jiorjios said:

actually janet is the better diva. she can do R&B, rock and roll, hip hop, dance, funk, she has dabbled in it all.

You still are NOT TALKING ABOUT TALENT. please back it up with madonna dance, and vocals. YOU CAN'T BECAUSE SHE WILL NEVER DANCE LIKE JANET, and COULD NEVER sing like janet.

I bet, you know some of the dance moves to "IF" and "Rhythm Nation"

midiscover said:

Don't know much about Herb Ritts' career but I do know that In The Closet came out in 1992, Love Will Never Do in late 1990 or early 1991 and Cherish in 1989

jiorjios said:

Well, I see Control as a Pop fused with Funk album but it's catogorized as an R&B album so I guess that makes it R&B. It influenced the Pop genre as well but moreso R&B. Janet's more of a Pop Diva. Her pop music weighs out her R&B more.

jiorjios said:

No, I don't. Janet is way more than someone doing what they do well. She influenced a whole new generation of music! Where as Madonna....

jiorjios said:

sorry She cannot dance like janet, nor can she sing.

Do you know the ICONIC dance moves to "If" and "Rhythem Nation"

what ICONIC dance moves has Madonna inspired. cause i don't remember any

ehuffnsd said:

Janet's so creative!! Bless her!

jiorjios said:

clearly someone can't dance would get a job working for Martha Graham and Alvin Aliey. They have no clue who is a good dancer and who isn't. but Alisa does. remember that Madonna even though you worked for both of the aforementioned Choreographers when you first moved to NY you cannot dance.

Timmy84 said:

Janet is today's Diana Ross
She has always said Diana influenced her a great deal!

ehuffnsd said:

she's not a natural like Janet!!

TotalAlisa said:

you got it i hate janet. i hate her sooooo much i've bought every one of her albums the day was relased since 1989, been to every single one of her tours, and wear the Sankofa pendant i got from Friends of Janet back before it was online. yup i can't stand the bitch.

midiscover said:

she's a bit stuff like most people who are classically trained Ballerinas.

TotalAlisa said:

Why are you getting nervous and talking about talent like it is something measurable? I disagree with you period. And I said to u that I do like Janet and actually Rhythm Nation and That's The Way Love Goes are two of the best songs of all time. But Madonna for me is better. And, like it or not, that is the opinion of the majority of the buying public worldwide. You have every right to differ. But don't push your opinions on me as a matter of fact because they are not and anyway what you are doing is childish

No this shit again