TotalAlisa said:

what iconic dance moves? flashing her titty on national television? Most of Jnaet's moves are from Michael and are choregraphed by different choregraphers such as Paula Abdul. That pleasure principle video was choregraphed by Paula abdul. janet is not a great improvisenational dancer like her brother.
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Madonna's dancing in Vogue is NOTHING less then ICONIC.
Her cone braziers, her Like a Virgin Look, Express Yourself anf LAP music videos, True Blue Album cover. etc. all of these moments were Iconic.

Hmm lets see a fake White Vanity vs Someone who didnt have any career under she got the Prince sound.

I'd take Janet

Actually Janet is amazing, I love all her stuff.. she is really great! She hasn't slipped much from her peak. Her albums are all solid, not great but still really good/solid! I love that she keeps putting new stuff out there!

RKJCNE said:

actually those are NOT iconic, Jody Wately was voguing long before madonna.

I Know you heard of Rhythm Nation, and IF.

Those are Iconic dance moves. NOT Voguing

RKJCNE said:

LMAO!!!!

TotalAlisa said:

Sweetie ur forgetting many more!! MYM chair dance! The Prep etc

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

So you contradicted yourself btw- Paula choragraped Jan only in the Control era with Jackie Jackson. RN era Janet did the choragraphy with the 2 other guys

midiscover said:

paula did NOT choreograph Pleasure principle, janet co-choreographed that dance herself.

midiscover said:

Strippers have been chair dancing looooong before Janet, so if people vogued before Madonna, the also chair danced before Janet. They are just the ones that made these moves Iconic.

RKJCNE said:

Dream on! Janet's chair dance wasn't a tease! She was first 2 do it. She created it. Don't catogrize Janet as a copycat! She's the trendsetter!

midiscover said:

bob fosse must have had a time machine


any dance in a music video was inspired by Bob Fosse.
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ehuffnsd said:

indeed. madge did the chair thing in 86 too. open your heart anyone?

CrozzaUK said:

Since the logical conclusion of this thread is that neither Madonna nor Janet ever did something which hasn't been done before, let's all admit that the truly iconic diva is Mariah Carey who at least did something which hasn't been done before by any diva:constantly bad sugary videos with her booty as their main theme again and again lol. Just joking

CrozzaUK said:

Exactly.Neither of them are as "inspired" as they used to be,but at least Madonna is still focused and committed to her career.Considering that she has done four tours in this decade alone,I think it shows that she genuinely enjoys performing.She could never be called lazy.She releases albums and stands behind her music,giving it the ultimate form of promotion: touring.Janet seems to be going through the motions these days.On her last CD,she didn't even bother writing any lyrics at all.She did a half-ass tour to promote it.She seems strangely disconnected from her own career.




This is one reason why Madonna's career/success/life story is more interesting to me.She made it on her own.Nothing was "handed" to her.She didn't have any famous brothers or a father who was managing her career and helping her get a contract.I'm not saying that Janet got a contract strictly because of her relation to Michael,but it helped her get her foot in the door.She had opportunities that were handed to her because of her famous family.Put it this way: when they make the inevitable biopics on Madonna and Janet,which one do you think will be more interesting? The story of Michael's little sister,growing up in a wealthy household with her famous brothers,who decides that she wants a career of her own...or the story of a young,determined lady who goes to New York with $35 in her pocket,works at Dunkin Donuts,pays her dues and becomes a huge superstar/icon in just a few short years?

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

i don't get why people would think she did that on purpose, that's embarrassing



anyways i like them both but if i had to chose one i'd chose janet but i do think madonna is more of an icon than janet but janet is up there too

RKJCNE said:

I agree.There's nothing wrong with singing about sex (we're on a site devoted to Prince,lol) but lately,that seems to be all that Janet has to offer.She's become boring and one-dimensional.Imagine if Madonna had not moved on from her Erotica/SEX phase of 1992.It would look ridiculous.Janet has stayed in 1993,as far as her lyrics and image are concerned.She hasn't moved on and evolved.The SuperBowl incident,whether it was planned or not,made it clear to the world that Janet really doesn't have any other tricks up her sleeves.Shortly after that incident,she released a new CD with a topless photo on the cover,then went on to do a song with Khia ("So Excited").When she does these things,it only reinforces the perception that she is a sex-obsessed nympho who has nothing meaningful to say in her music.

TotalAlisa said:

I remember an interview where Madonna was asked if she slept her way to the stop.She replied "If it were only that easy"





Of course not.Her brother is Michael Jackson That was her ticket into show business.

midiscover said:

It's impossible to be unique in pop music today but at least Madonna's albums do not all sound alike.Each album has a different approach and vibe.

Look at her last three albums:
American Life (2003)
Confessions On A Dancefloor (2005)
Hard Candy (2008)

These albums don't sound alike at all.Three distinctly different albums.Each album features different producers.

Go back even further and compare these three albums:

Like A Prayer (1989)
I'm Breathless (1990)
Erotica (1992)


I dare you to tell me that these three albums sound alike.

If she was going to stay in anything, she should have stayed in 1989 before she went shit hop.

paisleypark4 said:

Let's face it,if you're only working with R&B producers,there's no way you can evolve and move on,musically.That's why Janet's albums aren't very different from each other.Now she's gone back to Jam and Lewis but despite their talent,I don't think they'll be able to take Janet to any new heights,musically.Remember,they worked with Janet on 'Damita Jo' and that album didn't exactly turn things around for her.

If Madonna were to work with Timbaland and Pharrell on every album,she would be caught in that same trap.Thank goodness that she's not afraid to move on and try new things on each album.

SoulAlive said:

Thank you you hit the nail on the head. Janet really has to progress. Im just about through being excited for her albums after the last tyraid. I havent listened to Discipline in a long time because other albums have just been more intresting on the artists' personal standpoint.

SoulAlive said:

This really shows you haven't listened to her music since 1993. The Velvet Rope is far removed from the janet. album, lyrics and image-wise. It's about depression, not sex. I recommend that you revisit her catalogue.

paisleypark4 said:

Like Hard Candy

SoulAlive said:

Joe was her ticket. If it weren't for Joe there wouldn't be no MJ, Janet nor Jackson 5

SoulAlive said:

So you determine who's better by their "interesting" life story?

SoulAlive said:

Exactly how many rags-to-riches, young-determined-girl-works-her-way-to-the-top stories and biopics have we seen? Personally, I think the eternally fucked-up Jackson family would make for more interesting and unique material, but then maybe that's just me. Can you imagine a film focusing on the Jackson household in the 1970's? You make it seem like Janet's childhood was some sort of fairy tale of wealth and privilege. She grew up in an abusive household, had few friends, and was stage managed by her insane father.

Regardless of what was "handed to her" (I would argue that having Joe as a parent and manager was in fact a detriment, as she was only successful once she claimed her independence and removed him from her payroll), Janet turned herself into one of the biggest-selling artists of all time. The other siblings did not.
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CrozzaUK said:

I'm speaking of this:


Nothing provocative. Just straight hardcore dancing
Madonna did rendition of Liza Minnelli's dance

midiscover said:

Pretty much. Everyone has the person that gives them a break - even Madonna. Joe worked hard to get the Jackson 5 (and Michael) where they were in the 70's.
[Edited 8/27/09 7:30am]

VoicesCarry said:

Exactly! I don't understand why people are saying MJ got Janet in show biz when Joe was the one.