midiscover said:

both Christina and Britney work with Madonna's tour diretor because they want to do look like janet?

You keep saying we only argue her popularity, but you have not acknowledged my arguments that Madonna is a superior songwriter. Her first top 5 hit was one she penned by herself. THAT IS TALENT. Ever since 1986 Madonna has co-written or produced countless songs, and dozens of hits. THAT IS TALENT. She has pulled of critically acclaimed and popular tours in her 40s and 50s. THAT IS TALENT. She carried Evita and got a Golden Globe. THAT IS TALENT. She's influenced a slew of pop stars, from Britney to Gaga. She has won more Grammys than Janet. Hung up holds the record for going number 1 in 45 countries. that is not luck that is TALENT. Slant Magazine called Express Yourself the greatest music video of all time. Madonna's vision as a Business woman is TALENT. Her work ethic combined with her charisma and intuition have shown that you can be a talented performer without having the Amazing pipes of Aretha, but none the less Aretha would wipe the floor with both Divas.

RKJCNE said:

THAT IS POPULARITY NOT TALENT.

Okay she wrote a song, SO HAVE JANET. big DEAL!!!!!

again you are talking about influence, popularity and business savy.

I SEE THIS IS GOING NO WHERE.


JANET WINS HANDS DOWN

Okay she wrote a song, SO HAS JANET. big DEAL!!!!!

again you are talking about influence, popularity and business savy.

I SEE THIS IS GOING NO WHERE.


JANET WINS HANDS DOWN

midiscover said:

both Christina and Britney work with Madonna's tour diretor because they want to do look like janet?

Moonbeam said:

I hope it's the latter, i'm craving a popular thread.

ehuffnsd said:

Jamie King??? He worked with Britney first and than Madonna!
Britney's Onyx tour was exact replica of Janet's All for You tour!!! Onyx Hotel tour, it's Janet inspired all over! And on the Circus tour she had a fan come on stage like Janet does which Usher and quiet few others followed. In rehearsals on her documentary she said to her choreographer 'I like how its close together. That's what Janet did on her shows and it's so powerful!' Britney Spears is just aping Janet.
Janet's career is the blueprint to her's! I know Madonna did that whole kiss as in way to say she's passing her un lite torch to her when Britney never did anything Madonna influenced.

Janet's career is the blueprint to her's! I know Madonna did that whole kiss as in way to say she's passing her un lite torch to her when Britney never did anything Madonna influenced.

You keep saying we only argue her popularity, but you have not acknowledged my arguments that Madonna is a superior songwriter. Her first top 5 hit was one she penned by herself. THAT IS TALENT. Ever since 1986 Madonna has co-written or produced countless songs, and dozens of hits. THAT IS TALENT. She has pulled of critically acclaimed and popular tours in her 40s and 50s. THAT IS TALENT. She carried Evita and got a Golden Globe. THAT IS TALENT. She's influenced a slew of pop stars, from Britney to Gaga. She has won more Grammys than Janet. Hung up holds the record for going number 1 in 45 countries. that is not luck that is TALENT. Slant Magazine called Express Yourself the greatest music video of all time. Madonna's vision as a Business woman is TALENT. Her work ethic combined with her charisma and intuition have shown that you can be a talented performer without having the Amazing pipes of Aretha, but none the less Aretha would wipe the floor with both Divas.

RKJCNE said:

Ehh LIESSSSS

Holiday, Material Girl and Like A Virgin was all written by other people without any assistance from Madonna! While Janet wrote and co-produced everything on the Control album!! She didn't influence a slew of pop acts!! Just Gaga!! Little Richard never won a Grammy!! The Grammy's are shit!! It's all a popularity contest!! No one is discussing Business?? If so Janet had the highest paying contract ever - 80 million dollars!! Does that make her a "savvy business woman" besides Janet probably does her business privately! We don't know! Her work ethic? Spreading her legs apart and yodeling! Janet's Rock Withu tour puts her imitators to shame!! Especially since she's 43!

midiscover said:

Jamie started working for Madonna in 1995

his first project with her was the Human Nature video and than the Brit Awards that year.
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midiscover said:

Hello! Circus theme? Madonna already did that in her Re-invention Tour. Madonna brought Electronica into pop Music with Ray Of Light and Music, Britney was quick to notice, and brought electronica out in "In the Zone", "Blackout" and "Circus" Janet barely started to touch Electronica till last year. and I'm not a prude, I just don't think Janet should have pulled her tit out on a TV show that is a common family experience. Madonna had the decency to appear naked in a book you had to go out and buy, she didn't force it in your face.
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Ehh LIESSSSS

Holiday, Material Girl and Like A Virgin was all written by other people without any assistance from Madonna! While Janet wrote and co-produced everything on the Control album!! She didn't influence a slew of pop acts!! Just Gaga!! Little Richard never won a Grammy!! The Grammy's are shit!! It's all a popularity contest!! No one is discussing Business?? If so Janet had the highest paying contract ever - 80 million dollars!! Does that make her a "savvy business woman" besides Janet probably does her business privately! We don't know! Her work ethic? Spreading her legs apart and yodeling! Janet's Rock Withu tour puts her imitators to shame!! Especially since she's 43!

TotalAlisa said:

I fixed your grammar for you.

No I am talking about Talent, and it takes talent to become the biggest solo artist of all time.

ehuffnsd said:

But you said tours!

midiscover said:

Lucky Star her first top 5 hit was written by Madonna.

midiscover said:

Madonna wrote Lucky Star #4 Hot 100
she also co wrote #1 hits like
Like a Prayer
Live to Tell
Papa Don't Preach
Take a Bow
Music
Vogue
Who's that Girl
Open Your Heart
and She co wrote top 10 hits like
Secret
La Isla Bonita
Hung Up
4 Minutes
Don't Tell Me
Ray Of Light
Frozen
Erotica
Deeper and Deeper
Cherish
and the list goes on...

ehuffnsd said:

Lucky Star??

When people think Madonna
Material Girl, Like A Virgin and Holiday come to mind which she didn't write!

midiscover said:

they also think Vogue, Express Yourself, Music, Hung Up, Like A Prayer

all she did write.

Janet is working with J&L because they click musically and artistically! In her mind she thought she was doing good by doing shit hop. And don't be a prude!! Janet isn't the only singing about sex!! If she wants to sing about her vagina than dammit let it be She's been singing about sex since RN1814 but for some reason people just started noticing when All for You came out.

midiscover said:

Yeah but the image and much of the theme of the album surfaced around the message that we need to be equal as one. There was a fictional generation of people who were the "protecters of society" played in the videos and music. The dark sounds, the pipes, the bells all created an image of darkness and justice. Yeah there was the slow jams but they were not BLUNT like Warmth with left nothing to the imagination. The pictures that she has been putting out clad to the 9's didnt help the albums image either. There was no real image and hasnt been in a while.

RKJCNE said:

Are you trying to say Madonna influenced Britney more than Janet?
If anything you can just to look at Britney's work and see Janet's influence all over it

I'm sorry, but I'd rather meet Madonna than the president of the United States. Madonna has this thing about her that you can't explain -- the thing that makes somebody a star. When she walks into the room, you just have to take notice. She's so comfortable with herself, and she's not afraid to live life to the fullest and to say whatever she feels, no matter what anyone thinks. There's something kind of childlike about that; it's a beautiful, amazing thing.
Madonna was the first female pop star to take control of every aspect of her career and to take responsibility for creating her image, no matter how much flak she might get. She's proved that she can do so many different things -- music and movies and being a parent, too. Her music has become iconic: Songs like "Holiday" or "Live to Tell" are timeless -- not just disposable hits. They feel like home. She has her spells of being moody and vibey and spiritual, but her words are so easy to relate to. She's a diva and does what she wants, but she's a loving person.

The first time I met her was when I flew to visit her at one of her shows in 2001. I walked into her dressing room, and her daughter, Lola, was there, and I felt really nervous. I said to Madonna, "Can I just hug you?" I was so stupid! But she was so nice about it. I would definitely not be here, doing what I'm doing, if it wasn't for Madonna. I remember being eight or nine years old, running around my living room singing and dancing and wanting so much to be like her. All my girlfriends still listen to her stuff. We're all mesmerized by her. Madonna's stage presence has inspired so many artists -- you can see her influence in some of the younger generation like Kelly Clarkson and Shakira, who have picked up some of her moves.

As part of the generation that's coming up, you look at Madonna and you don't want to let her down. That's such a motivation for me. I love doing what I do, but when Madonna comes around -- like when we were making the video for "Me Against the Music" -- it's like, "Everybody get your act together -- the godmother is here."

Madonna has done so much, and she's been around so long, and the bitch still looks good! She's spent years in the public eye, and that can be really hard for anyone to deal with. But she dug deep and started writing from her heart, and that's therapy to keep you going. Madonna has so much light inside her, and she's so much more noticeable than all of the rest of us. She stuck to what she believed in and did what she felt, and that was part of her art -- to just be herself.

i see that the Janet floons have taken over this thread!

Britney Spears actually said:

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