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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: haha! When I say dud I mean musically, genius!! Btw - Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. went platinum. Also Madonna sales hasn't been all that stellar either. And blah! blah! blah! Her tour didn't do well because of the lack of promotion! That whole damn era was a mess! Her management team sucks! At least she can sell more than half of an arena unlike Mariah  Janet's tour sucked because no one wanted to go. LOL you DON'T know anything about janet jackson. SO HOW WOULD YOU EVEN KNOW ABOUT HER TOUR "SUCKING" which it did not, janet toured during the WORST TIME, in the economy when people were losing their jobs and prices of everything were going up. SO i would think that not as many people would have the money to go to janet's tour. For janet to not be so talented or popular as madonna, it seems that madonna's tour isn't doing that much better |
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TotalAlisa said: RKJCNE said: Madonna is more successful, because she has worked harder and wrote better songs then Janet, she is a better live performer and a far superior singer (see EVITA) yes Janet can sing and dance, but Madonna changed the game, artist like Britney, Christina, Lady GaGa, Kylie Minogue, etc. have spent ages trying to recreate what she has. Why do you think Madonna still has the most successful world wide tours? because her of the power of her music.
This must be some kind of JOKE
Yeah Madonna worked hard selling her soul 
but to say she is a better live performer, THAT IS A JOKE. Janet Will never come close to the magic of the Blonde Ambition tour, or even the Girlie show. And the Confessions tour is way out of her league. She should stick to showing off her tit. Its the only thing people know about her nowadays anyway. 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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TotalAlisa said: For janet to not be so talented or popular as madonna, it seems that madonna's tour isn't doing that much better Now you're just ignoring reality. The S&S tour is the highest grossing tour of a female artist EVER. 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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suga10 said: Madonna has proved that she's queen of pop with time.
Janet is great in her own way too, but is no where close to Madonna. Madonna's the definition of a versatility, and has always reinvented herself, while Janet in recent years (since 2004) has resorted to following trends, instead of trying something new. [Edited 8/24/09 20:38pm] PLEASE WILL PEOPLE TALK ABOUT TALENT, AND NOT ABOUT, REINVENTING, VERSATILITY AND/or POPULARITY i noticed all madonna's fans can back their opinions up with just popularity. WHAT ABOUT THE VIDEOS, DANCING, VOCALS, WRITING. you won't touch that, cause janet clearly can dance better, sing better, have better videos (yes i SAID IT), and when janet writes her songs. AT LEAST SHE IS WRITING CURSES. Janet's videos and dances are so ICONIC, look at Rhythem Nation, IF, Pleasure Principle. |
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RKJCNE said: TotalAlisa said: This must be some kind of JOKE
Yeah Madonna worked hard selling her soul
but to say she is a better live performer, THAT IS A JOKE. Janet Will never come close to the magic of the Blonde Ambition tour, or even the Girlie show. And the Confessions tour is way out of her league. She should stick to showing off her tit. Its the only thing people know about her nowadays anyway. Madonna copies people too much!! Janet is way better!! She had the most successful debut tour by any artist and still holds that record today AND she's holds the record for most singles that reached the top 5!! Maybe you should stick to being a prude!! You're just a hater!! That was the best Superbowl performance ever!! Including the titties!! Vadge can only dream of having titties like Janet's! | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: midiscover said: And her damn titties!! Well, duh! That goes without saying because you could mold both of ALL those heffa's titties together and they couldn't hold a candle to just one of Aretha's regal jugs! I'm strictly talking about musical ability and talent here! Do try to keep up!  Musical ability?? 
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RKJCNE said: TotalAlisa said: This must be some kind of JOKE
Yeah Madonna worked hard selling her soul
but to say she is a better live performer, THAT IS A JOKE. Janet Will never come close to the magic of the Blonde Ambition tour, or even the Girlie show. And the Confessions tour is way out of her league. She should stick to showing off her tit. Its the only thing people know about her nowadays anyway. oh you mean the witch craft. I DON'T CARE IF MADONNA SOLD out 100 million on her tour. that does NOT MEAN SHE IS MORE TALENTED, that means she is MORE POPULAR. madonna WILL DRAW IN THE CROWDS, most people who are demonic like that will have a LARGE FOLLOWING. |
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RKJCNE said: TotalAlisa said: For janet to not be so talented or popular as madonna, it seems that madonna's tour isn't doing that much better Now you're just ignoring reality. The S&S tour is the highest grossing tour of a female artist EVER. AGAIN, YOU CONTINUE TO PROVE, that all madonna fans can say is she is POPULAR, or Reinvents herself, Or someone is influenced by madonna. I don't care if S&S tour is highest grossing for female, THAT MEANS NOTHING, but she is more of a popular artist. Madonna just uses sex, witch craft, religion and controversy to stay relevant. But manly witch craft. |
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TotalAlisa said: RKJCNE said: Madonna is more successful, because she has worked harder and wrote better songs then Janet, she is a better live performer and a far superior singer (see EVITA) yes Janet can sing and dance, but Madonna changed the game, artist like Britney, Christina, Lady GaGa, Kylie Minogue, etc. have spent ages trying to recreate what she has. Why do you think Madonna still has the most successful world wide tours? because her of the power of her music.
This must be some kind of JOKE
Yeah Madonna worked hard selling her soul
but to say she is a better live performer, THAT IS A JOKE. AHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHHHH!!!!! 
That's what I call entertainment!! Not stupid gimmicks like voguing, over exaggerated outfits and annoying yodeling! | |
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TotalAlisa said: ehuffnsd said: Janet's tour sucked because no one wanted to go. LOL you DON'T know anything about janet jackson. SO HOW WOULD YOU EVEN KNOW ABOUT HER TOUR "SUCKING" which it did not, janet toured during the WORST TIME, in the economy when people were losing their jobs and prices of everything were going up. SO i would think that not as many people would have the money to go to janet's tour. For janet to not be so talented or popular as madonna, it seems that madonna's tour isn't doing that much better as did Madonna who averege ticket price was 200 and she sold out every venue and is still selling them out nice try though. Rock Witchu Tour of 20008 Box Office Score Data
Venue City Tickets Sold / Available Gross Revenue GM Place Vancouver 8,941 / 11,074 (81%) $927,098 [7] Oracle Arena Oakland 9,430 / 12,282 (77%) $809,478 [8] Staples Center Los Angeles 12,109 / 12,109 (100%) $1,181,045 [8] Mandalay Bay Events Center Las Vegas 8,085 / 8,168 (99%) $1,027,602 [9] Allstate Arena Rosemont 9,519 / 11,541 (82%) $792,139 [9] Verizon Center Washington DC 9,720 / 10,389 (94%) $1,077,846 [10] Izod Center East Rutherford 10,865 / 14,247 (76%) $883,472 [10] Philips Arena Atlanta 7,503 / 9,698 (77%) $665,775 [11] Toyota Center Houston 7,385 / 7,470 (99%) $578,039 [10] American Airlines Center Dallas 7,729 / 11,640 (66%) $532,393 [10] BOK Center Tulsa 5,355 / 6,208 (86%) $231,690 [11] Palace of Auburn Hills Detroit 7,733 / 9,687 (80%) $441,578 [11] Madison Square Garden New York City 9,995 / 12,029 (83%) $799,082 [12] TOTAL 114,034 / 136,542 (84%) $9,917,237 On October 15, 2008, TV Guide reported that Jackson was suffering from vestibular migraines. The condition developed shortly before her Montreal show on September 29th. On November 4th it was announced that none of Janet Jackson's postponed shows would be rescheduled and were officially canceled.[13] The following shows were canceled: * September 29, 2008 Bell Centre Montreal, Canada [14][15] * October 1, 2008 TD Banknorth Garden Boston, MA [15] * October 2, 2008 Wachovia Center Philadelphia, PA [16] * October 4, 2008 Greensboro Coliseum Greensboro, NC [16] * October 7, 2008 BankAtlantic Center Fort Lauderdale, FL [17] * October 11, 2008 Mohegan Sun Arena Uncasville, Connecticut [18] * October 13, 2008 Turning Stone Casino Verona, New York Sticky and Sweet Tour 08/ 09 Millennium Stadium Cardiff 33,460 / 33,460 (100%) $5,279,107 [41] Stade Charles Ehrmann Nice 41,483 / 41,483 (100%) $4,381,242 [41] Olympic Stadium Berlin 47,368 / 47,368 (100%) $6,048,086 [41] Military Airfield Zurich 70,314 / 70,314 (100%) $11,093,631 [41] Amsterdam Arena Amsterdam 50,588 / 50,588 (100%) $6,717,734 [41] LTU Arena Dusseldorf 35,014 / 35,014 (100%) $4,650,327 [41] Olympic Stadium Rome 57,690 / 57,690 (100%) $5,713,196 [41] Commerzbank Arena Frankfurt 39,543 / 39,543 (100%) $6,020,706 [41] Wembley Stadium London 73,349 / 73,349 (100%) $11,796,540 [41] Parque da Bela Vista Lisbon 75,000 / 75,000 (100%) $6,295,068 [41] Olympic Stadium Sevilla 47,712 / 59,258 (82%) $4,874,380 [41] Circuito Ricardo Tormo Cheste Valencia 50,143 / 50,143 (100%) $4,941,980 [41] Stade de France Paris 138,163 / 138,163 (100%) $17,583,211 [41] Danube Island Vienna 57,002 / 57,002 (100%) $8,140,858 [41] Jaz Beach Budva 47,524 / 47,524 (100%) $3,463,063 [41] Olympic Stadium Athens 75,637 / 75,637 (100%) $9,030,440 [41] Izod Center East Rutherford 16,896 / 16,896 (100%) $2,812,250 [42] Madison Square Garden New York City 61,586 / 61,586 (100%) $11,527,375 [42] TD Banknorth Garden Boston 26,611 / 26,611 (100%) $3,658,850 [42] Air Canada Centre Toronto 34,324 / 34,324 (100%) $6,356,171 [42] Bell Centre Montreal 34,301 / 34,301 (100%) $5,391,881 [42] United Center Chicago 30,968 / 30,968 (100%) $5,777,490 [42] BC Place Stadium Vancouver 52,712 / 52,712 (100%) $5,389,762 [42] Oracle Arena Oakland 28,198 / 28,198 (100%) $4,964,765 [42] Petco Park San Diego 35,743 / 35,743 (100%) $5,097,515 [43] Dodger Stadium Los Angeles 43,919 / 43,919 (100%) $5,858,730 [43] MGM Grand Garden Arena Las Vegas 29,157 / 29,157 (100%) $8,397,640 [43] Pepsi Center Denver 23,501 / 23,501 (100%) $4,434,020 [43] Minute Maid Park Houston 41,498 / 41,498 (100%) $5,170,100 [44] Ford Field Detroit 30,119 / 30,119 (100%) $2,395,900 [44] Wachovia Center Philadelphia 13,790 / 13,790 (100%) $2,318,530 [44] Boardwalk Hall Atlantic City 13,293 / 13,293 (100%) $3,321,000 [44] Philips Arena Atlanta 14,843 / 14,843 (100%) $2,632,952 [44] Dolphin Stadium Miami 47,998 / 47,998 (100%) $6,137,030 [44] Foro Sol Stadium Mexico City 104,270 / 104,270 (100%) $10,428,743 [45] River Plate Stadium Buenos Aires 263,693 / 263,693 (100%) $18,274,292 [45] Chile National Stadium Santiago 146,242 / 146,242 (100%) $11,385,499 [45] Maracanã Stadium Rio de Janeiro 107,000 / 107,000 (100%) $7,322,269 [46] Morumbi Stadium São Paulo 196,656 / 196,656 (100%) $15,462,185 [46] O2 Arena London 27,464 / 27,464 (100%) $5,873,149 [47] Manchester Evening News Arena Manchester 13,457 / 13,457 (100%) $2,827,517 [47] Palais Omnisports de Paris-Bercy Paris 15,806 / 15,806 (100%) $2,306,551 [47] Werchter Festival Park Werchter 68,434 / 68,434 (100%) $7,190,295 [47] Stadio San Siro Milan 55,338 / 55,338 (100%) $6,507,798 [48] Stadio Friuli Udine 28,362 / 28,362 (100%) $3,236,277 [48] Olympic Stadium Barcelona 44,811 / 44,811 (100%) $5,010,557 [48] Vicente Calderón Stadium Madrid 31,941 / 31,941 (100%) $4,109,791 [48] Recinto Feria Zaragoza 30,940 / 30,940 (100%) $2,015,381 [48] Valle Hovin Oslo 79,409 / 79,409 (100%) $10,481,500 [49] Palace Square St. Petersburg 27,103 / 27,103 (100%) $4,431,805 [49] Tallinn Song Festival Grounds Tallinn 72,067 / 72,067 (100%) $5,924,839 [49] West Harbour Helsinki 85,354 / 85,354 (100%) $12,148,455 [50] Ullevi Stadion Göteborg 119,709 / 119,709 (100%) $14,595,910 [50] Parken Stadion Copenhagen 48,064 / 48,064 (100%) $6,709,250 [50] Chodov Natural Amphitheatre Prague 42,682 / 42,682 (100%) $3,835,776 [50] Bemowo Airport Warsaw 79,343 / 79,343 (100%) $6,526,867 [50] TOTAL 3,207,592 / 3,219,138 (99%) $374,186,236 Postponed dates * December 3, 2008 - River Plate Stadium, Buenos Aires, Argentina (rescheduled for December 5)[29] * December 6, 2008 - River Plate Stadium, Buenos Aires, Argentina (rescheduled for December 8)[29] * July 29, 2009 - Valle Hovin, Oslo, Norway (rescheduled for July 28)[30] Cancelled dates * July 8, 2009 - MEN Arena, Manchester, England [31] * July 28, 2009 - Trab-Arena Hamburg Bahrenfeld, Hamburg, Germany[30] * July 19, 2009 - Stade Vélodrome, Marseille, France [32] Stage Collapse * August 20, 2009 - Hippodrome, Ljubljana, Slovenia yup Madonna is struggling her tour will hit close to half a billion dollars and Janet didn't even hit 10million dollars. [Edited 8/25/09 10:59am] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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midiscover said: RKJCNE said: Janet Will never come close to the magic of the Blonde Ambition tour, or even the Girlie show. And the Confessions tour is way out of her league. She should stick to showing off her tit. Its the only thing people know about her nowadays anyway. Madonna copies people too much!! Janet is way better!! She had the most successful debut tour by any artist and still holds that record today AND she's holds the record for most singles that reached the top 5!! Maybe you should stick to being a prude!! You're just a hater!! That was the best Superbowl performance ever!! Including the titties!! Vadge can only dream of having titties like Janet's! and Madonna has the most successful tour for a solo artist EVER and has more top 10 tens than any artist in history. your point? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: Madonna copies people too much!! Janet is way better!! She had the most successful debut tour by any artist and still holds that record today AND she's holds the record for most singles that reached the top 5!! Maybe you should stick to being a prude!! You're just a hater!! That was the best Superbowl performance ever!! Including the titties!! Vadge can only dream of having titties like Janet's! and Madonna has the most successful tour for a solo artist EVER and has more top 10 tens than any artist in history. your point? I meant to say from ONE album | |
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midiscover said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: Well, duh! That goes without saying because you could mold both of ALL those heffa's titties together and they couldn't hold a candle to just one of Aretha's regal jugs! I'm strictly talking about musical ability and talent here! Do try to keep up! Musical ability??
I'll give it to Aretha for singing but musically?? Nah Oh really now? Would you care to SHOW me the musical ability of the others? Show me theirs and I'll be happy to show you Aretha's!  I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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midiscover said: ehuffnsd said: and Madonna has the most successful tour for a solo artist EVER and has more top 10 tens than any artist in history. your point? I meant to say from ONE album i know what you meant, but if you are going try to compare records lets compare records both have done things the other won't. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: midiscover said: Musical ability??
I'll give it to Aretha for singing but musically?? Nah Oh really now? Would you care to SHOW me the musical ability of the others? Show me theirs and I'll be happy to show you Aretha's! Aretha is a great soul and R&B artist that's it. She hasn't done anything different musically
Besides I don't care to speak of her right now This is a thread about Janet and Madonna | |
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: I meant to say from ONE album i know what you meant, but if you are going try to compare records lets compare records both have done things the other won't. That's all Madonna fans can defend is sales and popularity
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: midiscover said: Musical ability??
I'll give it to Aretha for singing but musically?? Nah Oh really now? Would you care to SHOW me the musical ability of the others? Show me theirs and I'll be happy to show you Aretha's! Nah the discussion is about whose pussy is more delish. Janet's or Madonna's.
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Timmy84 said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: Oh really now? Would you care to SHOW me the musical ability of the others? Show me theirs and I'll be happy to show you Aretha's! Nah the discussion is about whose pussy is more delish. Janet's or Madonna's.
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midiscover said: ehuffnsd said: i know what you meant, but if you are going try to compare records lets compare records both have done things the other won't. That's all Madonna fans can defend is sales and popularity
Influence? Talent?- Janet. subjective you can't prove either. sales and records you can't argue with facts. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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midiscover said: Timmy84 said: Nah the discussion is about whose pussy is more delish. Janet's or Madonna's.
And Aretha is totally out of the question Not really! Since no one on this board can truly attest to that regarding any of them! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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midiscover said: Timmy84 said: Nah the discussion is about whose pussy is more delish. Janet's or Madonna's.
And Aretha is totally out of the question That's the point tho.
If it was about musical talent, this would've lasted a page.
Going back and forth over who brings the shows, over who's more musically active. Hell Nona Hendryx and Bettye LaVette has done more genres than these two combined together.
I love JJ and Madge both but come on. [Edited 8/25/09 10:48am] | |
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: That's all Madonna fans can defend is sales and popularity
Influence? Talent?- Janet. subjective you can't prove either. sales and records you can't argue with facts. sales are facts, BUT FACTS do not measure talent. Popularity DOES NOT EQUATE TALENT |
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: That's all Madonna fans can defend is sales and popularity
Influence? Talent?- Janet. subjective you can't prove either. sales and records you can't argue with facts. Talent is subjective! But it's evident that Janet is far more superior in that aspect! and again, again do I have to say?? Sales and popularity doesn't equate to good Influence? I can back up! I posted a couple of videos a few pages back but I'll post more if you'd like but I'd say that many artists look at Janet's catalog as a opposed to Madonna's for influence. "If" changed the whole game! | |
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midiscover said: ehuffnsd said: subjective you can't prove either. sales and records you can't argue with facts. Talent is subjective! But it's evident that Janet is far more superior in that aspect! and again, again do I have to say?? Sales and popularity doesn't equate to good Influence? I can back up! I posted a couple of videos a few pages back but I'll post more if you'd like but I'd say that many artists look at Janet's catalog as a opposed to Madonna's for influence. "If" changed the whole game! how did if change the game? and you've yet to address the fact that Madonna's Cherish influenced Janet You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: midiscover said: And Aretha is totally out of the question Not really! Since no one on this board can truly attest to that regarding any of them! Yeah and pussy is pussy at the end of the day. | |
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Timmy84 said: midiscover said: And Aretha is totally out of the question That's the point tho.
If it was about musical talent, this would've lasted a page.
Going back and forth over who brings the shows, over who's more musically active. Hell Nona Hendryx and Bettye LaVette has done more genres than these two combined together.
I love JJ and Madge both but come on.
[Edited 8/25/09 10:48am] Why are you trolling? :lol Go start a thread about Aretha but this isn't it! Again, I don't think Aretha is all that musically talented...She's a great vocalist that's for sure but not musically. Bettye LaVette nor Nona Hendryx hasn't done more genres than Janet! | |
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: Talent is subjective! But it's evident that Janet is far more superior in that aspect! and again, again do I have to say?? Sales and popularity doesn't equate to good Influence? I can back up! I posted a couple of videos a few pages back but I'll post more if you'd like but I'd say that many artists look at Janet's catalog as a opposed to Madonna's for influence. "If" changed the whole game! how did if change the game? and you've yet to address the fact that Madonna's Cherish influenced Janet Another influence for them both: And I troll because I want to. I'm a nWo soldier. That's my job. | |
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ehuffnsd said: midiscover said: Talent is subjective! But it's evident that Janet is far more superior in that aspect! and again, again do I have to say?? Sales and popularity doesn't equate to good Influence? I can back up! I posted a couple of videos a few pages back but I'll post more if you'd like but I'd say that many artists look at Janet's catalog as a opposed to Madonna's for influence. "If" changed the whole game! how did if change the game? and you've yet to address the fact that Madonna's Cherish influenced Janet You ask how did If change the game?? Just ask Beyonce, Brittney, Christina Millian, Ciara, Pink, Aaliyah and Christina Aguilara! Many people tried to duplicate the structure, sex appeal and overall song How did Cherish influence Janet? Except that influenced Janet's Miss You Much to block it
If your talking about the music video! Give me a break!! No one remembers Madonna's video whereas Janet's opened doors for those featured on it and presented a new her and is far more iconic! | |
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midiscover said: ehuffnsd said: how did if change the game? and you've yet to address the fact that Madonna's Cherish influenced Janet You ask how did If change the game?? Just ask Beyonce, Brittney, Christina Millian, Ciara, Pink, Aaliyah and Christina Aguilara! Many people tried to duplicate the structure, sex appeal and overall song How did Cherish influence Janet? Except that influenced Janet's Miss You Much to block it
If your talking about the music video! Give me a break!! No one remembers Madonna's video whereas Janet's opened doors for those featured on it and presented a new her and is far more iconic! both Christina and Britney work with Madonna's tour diretor because they want to do look like janet? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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