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Thread started 08/13/09 9:49am

midiscover

Who would you say is the best soul singer?

I think it's a tie between James Brown and David Ruffin biggrin



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Reply #1 posted 08/13/09 9:55am

Timmy84

Ray Charles (Robinson):

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Reply #2 posted 08/13/09 10:03am

Bree8016

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best soul singer?

Donny Hathaway
Sam Cooke
Marvin Gaye
Aretha Franklin
How can I stand 2 stay where I am? / Poor butterfly who don't understand.
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Reply #3 posted 08/13/09 10:07am

Timmy84

Bree8016 said:

best soul singer?

Donny Hathaway
Sam Cooke
Marvin Gaye
Aretha Franklin


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Reply #4 posted 08/13/09 10:26am

kenlacam

Bree8016 said:

best soul singer?

Donny Hathaway
Sam Cooke
Marvin Gaye
Aretha Franklin

Definitely, and I'd like to add Patti LaBelle to the list.
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Reply #5 posted 08/13/09 10:30am

Timmy84

kenlacam said:

Bree8016 said:

best soul singer?

Donny Hathaway
Sam Cooke
Marvin Gaye
Aretha Franklin

Definitely, and I'd like to add Patti LaBelle to the list.


Not only Patti but:
Gladys Knight
Al Green
Jerry Butler
Levi Stubbs (who I think had a better voice than David)
Paul Williams
Etta James

...add more. smile
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Reply #6 posted 08/13/09 10:48am

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Males:
deceased
Sam Cooke
Otis Redding, who was actually called The King of Soul
Donny Hathaway
Ray Charles
living
Stevie Wonder
Al Green
Anthony Hamilton
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Females:
Aretha Franklin
Aretha Franklin
Aretha Franklin
Gladys Knight
Chaka Khan

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Reply #7 posted 08/13/09 10:52am

Timmy84

I think Otis was called "the prince of soul" (along with Marvin).

Sam Cooke was "the king of soul".

Also:
Jackie Wilson
Ron Isley
Bobby Womack
Martha Reeves
Mary Wells
Candi Staton

...added to the list.
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Reply #8 posted 08/13/09 10:59am

exenn

In addition to the names mentioned.....

Smokey Robinson

Nina Simone
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Reply #9 posted 08/13/09 11:04am

ernestsewell

There is no ONE that is the best.
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Reply #10 posted 08/13/09 11:08am

kenlacam

ernestsewell said:

There is no ONE that is the best.

I'm just waiting for someone to come along and say Prince (you know it's coming) LOL
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Reply #11 posted 08/13/09 11:09am

Timmy84

kenlacam said:

ernestsewell said:

There is no ONE that is the best.

I'm just waiting for someone to come along and say Prince (you know it's coming) LOL

lol
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Reply #12 posted 08/13/09 11:10am

Timmy84

ernestsewell said:

There is no ONE that is the best.


Hence the names listed. wink
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Reply #13 posted 08/13/09 11:26am

candy2277

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This question is very broad. I think it would be better to break it down into categories such as era (60s,70s,80s, etc), gender, labels (Atlantic, Motown, Philly International, Stax), subgenres (jazzy soul,southern/bluesy soul, hip-hop soul). I really don't think there is technically such a thing as the "best". I think it boils down to who you like. In regard to the orginial question, I would say Sam Cooke because he set the template.
Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth".
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Reply #14 posted 08/13/09 11:32am

exenn

And let's not forget T-Bone Walker.
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Reply #15 posted 08/13/09 11:39am

candy2277

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exenn said:

And let's not forget T-Bone Walker.


He is a blues singer not soul.
Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth".
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Reply #16 posted 08/13/09 11:41am

exenn

To my ears, he's the beginning of soul and rock n roll.
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Reply #17 posted 08/13/09 11:51am

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exenn said:

To my ears, he's the beginning of soul and rock n roll.


Thats cool if thats what you feel but according to musical "experts" Ray Charles started soul and Little Richard started rock n roll. IMO the genesis for all of this is Louis Jordan. He was the inspiration for Ray Charles, Little Richard, and James Brown.
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Reply #18 posted 08/13/09 11:55am

Timmy84

candy2277 said:

exenn said:

To my ears, he's the beginning of soul and rock n roll.


Thats cool if thats what you feel but according to musical "experts" Ray Charles started soul and Little Richard started rock n roll. IMO the genesis for all of this is Louis Jordan. He was the inspiration for Ray Charles, Little Richard, and James Brown.


Experts or not, there were a lot of people who inspired what became soul/R&B/rock and roll. I also list people like Big Joe Turner as the beginning of rock and roll. nod And people like Roy Brown and Wynonnie Harris, their singing even predicted soul itself.
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Reply #19 posted 08/13/09 11:55am

exenn

Well, what I feel is that it's all music, and every 'genre' feeds off what came before it. I was going to say that I felt like Nat King Cole was an early model for the 'soul' voice (at least in the influence he had on Sam Cooke on a core level), but some folks don't even consider his best-known work to be 'black music'. Again, just names we give things that exist just fine without being named.
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Reply #20 posted 08/13/09 11:58am

Timmy84

exenn said:

Well, what I feel is that it's all music, and every 'genre' feeds off what came before it. I was going to say that I felt like Nat King Cole was an early model for the 'soul' voice (at least in the influence he had on Sam Cooke on a core level), but some folks don't even consider his best-known work to be 'black music'. Again, just names we give things that exist just fine without being named.


Nat Cole is definitely a progenitor of soul music. Sam, Marvin, Ray, etc., were definitely influenced by Nat. nod I think Billy Eckstine, Little Willie John and Brook Benton also influenced what became soul music.
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Reply #21 posted 08/13/09 12:05pm

dearmother

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my favorites are james brown and

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Reply #22 posted 08/13/09 12:08pm

trueiopian

I don't think there's just one ultimate...
But James Brown would be my #1 followed by Otis Redding and David Ruffin

They don't call him the The Godfather of Soul for nothing!
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Reply #23 posted 08/13/09 12:14pm

Timmy84

Don't ignore this guy:



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Reply #24 posted 08/13/09 12:14pm

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Timmy84 said:

I think Otis was called "the prince of soul" (along with Marvin).

Sam Cooke was "the king of soul".

Also:
Jackie Wilson
Ron Isley
Bobby Womack
Martha Reeves
Mary Wells
Candi Staton
*****

No actually Otis Redding was called The King of Soul...
Ray Charles was called The Genius of Soul
Nina Simone, The Priestess of Soul
James Brown, The Godfather of Soul

and Whitney Houston named Bobby Brown The King of RnB (LOL)
...added to the list.

[Edited 8/13/09 16:50pm]
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Reply #25 posted 08/13/09 12:15pm

Timmy84

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Timmy84 said:

I think Otis was called "the prince of soul" (along with Marvin).

Sam Cooke was "the king of soul".

Also:
Jackie Wilson
Ron Isley
Bobby Womack
Martha Reeves
Mary Wells
Candi Staton
*****

No actually Otis Redding called The King of Soul...
Ray Charles was called The Genius of Soul
Nina Simone, The Priestess of Soul
James Brown, The Godfather of Soul

and Whitney Houston named Bobby Brown The King of RnB (LOL)
...added to the list.


Uh hell to the naw to Bobby Brown. lol

Well maybe I heard a typo @ Otis. I do know he's called "the king of southern/Memphis soul" tho. smile
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Reply #26 posted 08/13/09 12:16pm

Timmy84



Gotta add these guys to the list.
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Reply #27 posted 08/13/09 12:45pm

candy2277

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Timmy84 said:

candy2277 said:



Thats cool if thats what you feel but according to musical "experts" Ray Charles started soul and Little Richard started rock n roll. IMO the genesis for all of this is Louis Jordan. He was the inspiration for Ray Charles, Little Richard, and James Brown.


Experts or not, there were a lot of people who inspired what became soul/R&B/rock and roll. I also list people like Big Joe Turner as the beginning of rock and roll. nod And people like Roy Brown and Wynonnie Harris, their singing even predicted soul itself.


First, soul music is a combination of gospel, jazz, and blues. So yes Nat Cole is an influence and just about any other jazz vocalist, gospel singer, or jazz musician. Who you want to say had a bigger influence is left to the individual interpretation. I still stand by Louis Jordan. He was one of the first to combine jazz and blues. Ray Charles took it further by adding gospel to the mix of blues and jazz and hence the creation of soul music.

Some info about Louis Jordan from the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame

Louis Jordan (vocals, saxophone; born July 8, 1908, died February 4, 1975)

He has been called the Father of Rhythm & Blues and the Grandfather of Rock ‘n’ Roll. In the Forties, bandleader Louis Jordan pioneered a wild - and wildly popular - amalgam of jazz and blues. The swinging shuffle rhythms played by singer/saxophonist Jordan and his Tympany Five got called jump blues or jumpin’ jive, and it served as a forerunner of rhythm & blues and rock and roll. In fact, it has been plausibly argued that Saturday Night Fish Fry, is worthy of consideration as the first rock and roll record, containing many of the genre’s key ingredients: a distorted electric guitar, an early use of the word rocking, party-themed lyrics, and danceable, uptempo music. Similarly, with their breathless, manic spoken delivery, both Look Out and Saturday Night Fish Fry - released in 1947 and 1949, respectively - can be seen as early examples of what would come to be known as rap.

Jordan’s appeal stemmed from his songs’ lively evocation of good times, performed in a swinging style that ranged from hot jazz to bluesy boogie. Jordan supplied a good deal of the slang of early rock and roll and directly influenced the freewheeling spirit of the music. In retrospect, Jordan’s used of syncopated shuffle rhythms in a small-combo context can be viewed as the bridge between big-band swing and rhythm & blues (and, by extension, rock and roll). His incorporation of electric guitar and organ proved a major stepping-stone from jazz to R&B, as well.

Jordan’s peers and contemporaries included Louis Armstrong, Ella Fitzgerald and Bing Crosby. He would come to have a huge influence on Decca Records labelmate Bill Haley. Ray Charles was another professed acolyte who acknowledged his debt by signing Jordan to his Tangerine label in the early Sixties. Other rock and roll figureheads whom Jordan profoundly influenced were Little Richard (who adopted Keep a-Knockin’ from Jordan’s repertoire), Roy Brown and Wynonie Harris. No less a rock and roll pioneer than Chuck Berry paid tribute to Jordan with this simple declaration: I identify myself with Louis Jordan more than any other artist.
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Reply #28 posted 08/13/09 12:48pm

Timmy84

Louis Jordan was one of many, he didn't single-handedly change the scene but he was one of music's builders, anyway, this was about best soul singers, so let's add this guy:





"Soul Brother #2" cool
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Reply #29 posted 08/13/09 12:57pm

NpgSoldier

Please let me add a couple of classic tracks:





Enjoy!
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