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Thread started 08/14/09 7:22am

scriptgirl

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Billie Holiday-would you say she had a great vocal range?

Because to me, it doesn't sound like it. I think she is a very affecting singer, however, but I wouldn't really call her voice pleasant-like Ella's or Dinah's
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Reply #1 posted 08/14/09 7:22am

midiscover

I agree.
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Reply #2 posted 08/14/09 8:26am

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I guess I'm not old school enough. But her voice does nothing for me.
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Reply #3 posted 08/14/09 10:36am

scriptgirl

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Her voice is definitely an acquired taste
"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #4 posted 08/14/09 10:42am

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scriptgirl said:

Her voice is definitely an acquired taste

nod Consider delivery, timing and mood as well. These are parts of her charm.
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Reply #5 posted 08/14/09 10:50am

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Aren't delivery and timing the same thing?
"Lack of home training crosses all boundaries."
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Reply #6 posted 08/14/09 10:54am

kenlacam

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I guess I'm not old school enough. But her voice does nothing for me.

Indeed, me as well. meh.
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Reply #7 posted 08/14/09 11:00am

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i think you need to know her story to appreciate them. a lot of her lyrics are heartbreaking.
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Reply #8 posted 08/14/09 11:08am

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scriptgirl said:

Aren't delivery and timing the same thing?

don't get technical on me! lol
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Reply #9 posted 08/14/09 11:10am

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The thing 2 understand is that Billie was a blues singer with a jazz sound. With her it wasn't about octaves and scatting, all she had 2 do was put her life in the words and that's what she gave us...
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Reply #10 posted 08/14/09 11:10am

kenlacam

sinisterpentatonic said:

i think you need to know her story to appreciate them. a lot of her lyrics are heartbreaking.

I am familiar with her story and her voice still does nothing for me. the 2 are unrelated.
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Reply #11 posted 08/14/09 11:15am

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shes proof you dont need range to be an amazing singer
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Reply #12 posted 08/14/09 11:19am

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kenlacam said:

sinisterpentatonic said:

i think you need to know her story to appreciate them. a lot of her lyrics are heartbreaking.

I am familiar with her story and her voice still does nothing for me. the 2 are unrelated.



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Reply #13 posted 08/14/09 11:21am

kenlacam

please explain the pic.
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Reply #14 posted 08/14/09 11:23am

diamondpearl1

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shes proof you dont need range to be an amazing singer


That's right. Look at ladies like Gwen McCrae, Etta James, Joi, Mavis Staples, Mahilia Jackson...
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Reply #15 posted 08/14/09 11:24am

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kenlacam said:

please explain the pic.

it's the prelude to smackdown lol
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Reply #16 posted 08/14/09 11:25am

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Well, dinah washington didn't have a good range, either, did she?
I thought Billie was a jazz singer?
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Reply #17 posted 08/14/09 11:34am

diamondpearl1

scriptgirl said:

Well, dinah washington didn't have a good range, either, did she?
I thought Billie was a jazz singer?


The style she sang was jazz, but the way she sang and lived was all blues.
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Reply #18 posted 08/14/09 11:46am

NpgSoldier

scriptgirl said:

Her voice is definitely an acquired taste

True that, it took a lot for me to really appreciate her.
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Reply #19 posted 08/14/09 12:49pm

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Exactly-I never got into Billie until one christmas when I was working a godawful retail gig
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Reply #20 posted 08/14/09 12:59pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

kenlacam said:

please explain the pic.

it's the prelude to smackdown lol


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Reply #21 posted 08/14/09 1:40pm

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She's so unique. I find that style of sliding between the notes adds a real amotional resonance to the songs. She's remarkable. It's not a technical thing, it's a feel thing.

Today in the age of auto-tune, you'd never have a singer like that. Can you imagine auto-tuning Billie Holiday to perfect pitch???

Range? Not so much. She did one particular thing and uptempo stuff wasn't her strength. But she did it masterfully, which is enough.
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Reply #22 posted 08/14/09 2:21pm

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bobzilla77 said:

She's so unique. I find that style of sliding between the notes adds a real amotional resonance to the songs. She's remarkable. It's not a technical thing, it's a feel thing.

Today in the age of auto-tune, you'd never have a singer like that. Can you imagine auto-tuning Billie Holiday to perfect pitch???

Range? Not so much. She did one particular thing and uptempo stuff wasn't her strength. But she did it masterfully, which is enough.


Agreed. IMO her strength was the ability to emote sadness in such a way that hasn't been matched by anybody else. Obviously there are numerous soul singers who have been able to emote (joy), pain and sadness, but listening to Billie sing I'll Be Seeing You or Don't Explain for example is really something in it's own realm.
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Reply #23 posted 08/14/09 2:30pm

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Shiningstarr26 said:

bobzilla77 said:

She's so unique. I find that style of sliding between the notes adds a real amotional resonance to the songs. She's remarkable. It's not a technical thing, it's a feel thing.

Today in the age of auto-tune, you'd never have a singer like that. Can you imagine auto-tuning Billie Holiday to perfect pitch???

Range? Not so much. She did one particular thing and uptempo stuff wasn't her strength. But she did it masterfully, which is enough.


Agreed. IMO her strength was the ability to emote sadness in such a way that hasn't been matched by anybody else. Obviously there are numerous soul singers who have been able to emote (joy), pain and sadness, but listening to Billie sing I'll Be Seeing You or Don't Explain for example is really something in it's own realm.


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Reply #24 posted 08/14/09 2:35pm

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An absolutely dire singer. As for needing to know her story to appreciate her, what a load of crap! She had an awful braying tone to her voice, a limited range and no emotional attachment to what she was singing. People buy into the story (a la American Idol) and she's the ultimate proof of the power of suggestion; most people these days are unable or unwilling to formulate their own opinions and will quite gladly adopt a publically voiced (as in her supposed vocal gifts which music history perpetuates) opinion in order to avoid seeming ignorant.

If you want a voice that was imbued with sadness and visceral emotion, nobody touches Donny Hathaway.
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Reply #25 posted 08/14/09 2:47pm

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Mong said:

a load of crap!


yes, this post was exactly that.
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Reply #26 posted 08/14/09 2:47pm

Cinnie

bobzilla77 said:

She's so unique. I find that style of sliding between the notes adds a real amotional resonance to the songs. She's remarkable. It's not a technical thing, it's a feel thing.

Today in the age of auto-tune, you'd never have a singer like that. Can you imagine auto-tuning Billie Holiday to perfect pitch???

This is basically it ^
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Reply #27 posted 08/14/09 3:14pm

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For the person who said Billie had no emotional connection to what she was sining about, did you ever hear her sing "God Bless the Child"
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Reply #28 posted 08/14/09 3:21pm

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I guess we are told to like Old school legends but everytime I hear Billie I cringe I'm sorry.
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Reply #29 posted 08/14/09 3:26pm

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Mong said:

An absolutely dire singer. As for needing to know her story to appreciate her, what a load of crap! She had an awful braying tone to her voice, a limited range and no emotional attachment to what she was singing. People buy into the story (a la American Idol) and she's the ultimate proof of the power of suggestion; most people these days are unable or unwilling to formulate their own opinions and will quite gladly adopt a publically voiced (as in her supposed vocal gifts which music history perpetuates) opinion in order to avoid seeming ignorant.

If you want a voice that was imbued with sadness and visceral emotion, nobody touches Donny Hathaway.


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