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Swa said: ^^ bought that too. Had read it before but interested to see JRT's take on it.
I would recommend reading the Halperin book - interested to see your point of view on it. Swa I read a couple of excerpts, and I watched Halperin's interviews on Entertainment Tonight I decided to definitely pass on it  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Here is my take on this whole thing.
A child naturally does not know how to lie, this is why when the do attempt it, they get caught. That being said, they can be persuaded to do something very easily; however, once questioned on why they did what they did, they have no answer. I truly believe this kid was persuaded by his dad to say that MJ had done these things to him. Now, that MJ is gone, I am sure the truth will eventually come out. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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BabyBeMine said: suga10 said: I think his ex-employees are liars b/c who the f*** would work for so with long with Michael Jackson if they suspected something was going on. Don't you think one of them would have called the cops by now if they actually "saw" something going on. [Edited 8/12/09 21:03pm] This defense to me doesn't prove innocents because some of the employees were maids that barely spoke english and some ppl will keep things quiet in order to keep there job. Also how do you know MJ probably didnt make a threat to one of them? There was a report that MJ told the maid if you tell a anyone i will have someone take care of you. This lady making probably minimum wage going up against a power man like MJ. Im sure that would have intiidated her and kept her hush hush. . They didn't have to call the police at Neverland if they were so concerned about being caught. And I heard that this maid was caught stealing stuff from Michael Jackson's home and that's why she got fired. [Edited 8/13/09 8:15am] | |
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I used to defend MJ all the time but it's seeming more and more like he has this dark side to him and what we saw on the outside was a front. Who knew his drug problem was this bad? We always thought MJ was this vegetarian who didn't drink, smoke or do drugs. Now there are reports of him being so high that he has had to be carried to his room by his ex security guard back in 2002. I think he distanced himself from his family, not because he was annoyed his brothers always bugged him about getting back together, but because they would confront him of this drug situation and he only wanted to be around yes man. The family would be more sraight up with him and he didnt like that.
The accusations. Whenever you have to make 10 + excuses there is some FIRE there. | |
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ehuffnsd said: How did Jordy know what Michael's penis look like? He didn't his description was NOT accurate. | |
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Swa said: ^^ bought that too. Had read it before but interested to see JRT's take on it.
I would recommend reading the Halperin book - interested to see your point of view on it. Swa You think it's good?  | |
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DO NOT READ IAN HALPERIN
omg that guy is an attention whore who said mj was addicted to coke, puleeeze | |
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dearmother said: DO NOT READ IAN HALPERIN
omg that guy is an attention whore who said mj was addicted to coke, puleeeze That's why I asked Swa the question. | |
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From the smoking gun.
With Los Angeles Police Department detectives weighing his claims, Chandler gave them a roadmap to Jackson's below-the-waist geography, which, he said, includes distinctive "splotches" on his buttocks and one on his penis, "which is a light color similar to the color of his face." The boy's information was so precise, he even pinpointed where the splotch fell while Jackson's penis was erect, the length of the performer's pubic hair, and that he was circumcised. It wasn't long after law enforcement's photo session that Jackson agreed to settle Chandler's civil claim for north of $20 million. How did Jordy know that? Maybe his drawing wasnt exactly that of a artist but if he described this and those blotches were indeed where he said they were then this is in fact a match a and he saw MJ naked. So the only excuse to this is the police department and all the detectives are lying. So everyone is lying. [Edited 8/13/09 10:49am] | |
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BabyBeMine said: From the smoking gun. How did Jordy know that? Maybe his drawing was exactly that of a artist but if he described this and those blotches were indeed where he said they were then this is in fact a match a and he saw MJ naked. So the only excuse to this is the police department and all the detectives are lying. So everyone is lying.
With Los Angeles Police Department detectives weighing his claims, Chandler gave them a roadmap to Jackson's below-the-waist geography, which, he said, includes distinctive "splotches" on his buttocks and one on his penis, "which is a light color similar to the color of his face." The boy's information was so precise, he even pinpointed where the splotch fell while Jackson's penis was erect, the length of the performer's pubic hair, and that he was circumcised. It wasn't long after law enforcement's photo session that Jackson agreed to settle Chandler's civil claim for north of $20 million. Randy Taraborelli wrote that Jordan's description of MJ's privates were inaccurate (according to his book, Jordan said he was uncircumsized but when authorities examined him, he was cut). I think I heard from Mez or someone like that that MJ was forced to pay for the 1994 case against him to "get over it" because they felt because of his state that he couldn't get through a trial. | |
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BabyBeMine said: From the smoking gun.
With Los Angeles Police Department detectives weighing his claims, Chandler gave them a roadmap to Jackson's below-the-waist geography, which, he said, includes distinctive "splotches" on his buttocks and one on his penis, "which is a light color similar to the color of his face." The boy's information was so precise, he even pinpointed where the splotch fell while Jackson's penis was erect, the length of the performer's pubic hair, and that he was circumcised. It wasn't long after law enforcement's photo session that Jackson agreed to settle Chandler's civil claim for north of $20 million. How did Jordy know that? Maybe his drawing wasnt exactly that of a artist but if he described this and those blotches were indeed where he said they were then this is in fact a match a and he saw MJ naked. So the only excuse to this is the police department and all the detectives are lying. So everyone is lying. [Edited 8/13/09 10:49am] who knows who's telling the truth. they have been so many reports that have been manipulated and misreported or untrue. All we know for certain is Michael is dead. So if he was guilty, then he cannot hurt any children anymore because he is dead | |
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Timmy84 said: BabyBeMine said: From the smoking gun. How did Jordy know that? Maybe his drawing was exactly that of a artist but if he described this and those blotches were indeed where he said they were then this is in fact a match a and he saw MJ naked. So the only excuse to this is the police department and all the detectives are lying. So everyone is lying.
With Los Angeles Police Department detectives weighing his claims, Chandler gave them a roadmap to Jackson's below-the-waist geography, which, he said, includes distinctive "splotches" on his buttocks and one on his penis, "which is a light color similar to the color of his face." The boy's information was so precise, he even pinpointed where the splotch fell while Jackson's penis was erect, the length of the performer's pubic hair, and that he was circumcised. It wasn't long after law enforcement's photo session that Jackson agreed to settle Chandler's civil claim for north of $20 million. Randy Taraborelli wrote that Jordan's description of MJ's privates were inaccurate (according to his book, Jordan said he was uncircumsized but when authorities examined him, he was cut). I think I heard from Mez or someone like that that MJ was forced to pay for the 1994 case against him to "get over it" because they felt because of his state that he couldn't get through a trial. yeah he said that on Jay Leno. said Michael was given bad advice. | |
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BabyBeMine said: From the smoking gun.
With Los Angeles Police Department detectives weighing his claims, Chandler gave them a roadmap to Jackson's below-the-waist geography, which, he said, includes distinctive "splotches" on his buttocks and one on his penis, "which is a light color similar to the color of his face." The boy's information was so precise, he even pinpointed where the splotch fell while Jackson's penis was erect, the length of the performer's pubic hair, and that he was circumcised. It wasn't long after law enforcement's photo session that Jackson agreed to settle Chandler's civil claim for north of $20 million. How did Jordy know that? Maybe his drawing wasnt exactly that of a artist but if he described this and those blotches were indeed where he said they were then this is in fact a match a and he saw MJ naked. So the only excuse to this is the police department and all the detectives are lying. So everyone is lying. [Edited 8/13/09 10:49am] is that court documented or is it in the summary of the case that the smoking gun wrote? | |
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BoOTyLiCioUs said: Timmy84 said: Randy Taraborelli wrote that Jordan's description of MJ's privates were inaccurate (according to his book, Jordan said he was uncircumsized but when authorities examined him, he was cut). I think I heard from Mez or someone like that that MJ was forced to pay for the 1994 case against him to "get over it" because they felt because of his state that he couldn't get through a trial. yeah he said that on Jay Leno. said Michael was given bad advice. Michael was surrounded by yes men for at least the 20 final years of his life. | |
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Timmy84 said: BoOTyLiCioUs said: yeah he said that on Jay Leno. said Michael was given bad advice. Michael was surrounded by yes men for at least the 20 final years of his life.  he should of never fired frank dileo. I wonder what would of happened if Frank was still Michael's manager. | |
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BabyBeMine said: From the smoking gun.
With Los Angeles Police Department detectives weighing his claims, Chandler gave them a roadmap to Jackson's below-the-waist geography, which, he said, includes distinctive "splotches" on his buttocks and one on his penis, "which is a light color similar to the color of his face." The boy's information was so precise, he even pinpointed where the splotch fell while Jackson's penis was erect, the length of the performer's pubic hair, and that he was circumcised. It wasn't long after law enforcement's photo session that Jackson agreed to settle Chandler's civil claim for north of $20 million. How did Jordy know that? Maybe his drawing wasnt exactly that of a artist but if he described this and those blotches were indeed where he said they were then this is in fact a match a and he saw MJ naked. So the only excuse to this is the police department and all the detectives are lying. So everyone is lying. [Edited 8/13/09 10:49am] i just read jrt's book and he said that jordie said mj was circumcised when he isn't the more you know.....
timmy beat me to it, damn [Edited 8/13/09 11:36am] | |
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dearmother said: BabyBeMine said: From the smoking gun.
With Los Angeles Police Department detectives weighing his claims, Chandler gave them a roadmap to Jackson's below-the-waist geography, which, he said, includes distinctive "splotches" on his buttocks and one on his penis, "which is a light color similar to the color of his face." The boy's information was so precise, he even pinpointed where the splotch fell while Jackson's penis was erect, the length of the performer's pubic hair, and that he was circumcised. It wasn't long after law enforcement's photo session that Jackson agreed to settle Chandler's civil claim for north of $20 million. How did Jordy know that? Maybe his drawing wasnt exactly that of a artist but if he described this and those blotches were indeed where he said they were then this is in fact a match a and he saw MJ naked. So the only excuse to this is the police department and all the detectives are lying. So everyone is lying. [Edited 8/13/09 10:49am] i just read jrt's book and he said that jordie said mj was circumcised when he isn't the more you know.....
timmy beat me to it, damn [Edited 8/13/09 11:36am] Don't feel bad, we were just hearing the same things.   | |
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What about the blotches he described when MJ got a erection? Theres more evidence that supports guilt than evidence because there is so much to defend and less you dont have to defend.
When you combine this with he really isnt sexualy interested in women than something is wrong here. In the early 80s he was hanging out with Brooke Shields who was very attractive at the time. No sexual interest which is weird and he is a 25 years old man. During the last 12 years what female has MJ been linked to? Again im not saying automatic guilt but combine these accusations and rumors with the fact that he is never with women. Why allow Tatiana to be kicked off the Bad tour just because she kissed him. 99% of men would have enjoyed that and hooked up with her. He didnt like it. I think it turned him off even though he acted it out on stage. I used to ignore this stuff but im like ok he doesnt like boys but how come he is never with a women and how come he wasnt sexually interested in Tatiana and Brooke. Weird [Edited 8/13/09 13:29pm] | |
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BabyBeMine said: What about the blotches he described when MJ got a erection? Theres more evidence that supports guilt than evidence because there is so much to defend and less you dont have to defend.
When you combine this with he really isnt sexualy interested in women than something is wrong here. In the early 80s he was hanging out with Brooke Shields who was very attractive at the time. No sexual interest which is weird and he is a 25 years old man. During the last 12 years what female has MJ been linked to? Again im not saying automatic guilt but combine these accusations and rumors with the fact that he is never with women. Why allow Tatiana to be kicked off the Bad tour just because she kissed him. 99% of men would have enjoyed that and hooked up with her. He didnt like it. I think it turned him off even though he acted it out on stage. I used to ignore this stuff but im like ok he doesnt like boys but how come he is never with a women and how come he wasnt sexually interested in Tatiana and Brooke. Weird [Edited 8/13/09 13:29pm] we dont know if there was really blotches or not,it has been said that the details the kid gave was not accurate, also remember right before this happened mj revealed the whole skin thing on the oprah special, its reasonable that if somebody wanted to claim they saw his private parts and he claims he has vitiligo , there is a 50-50 chance that jackson was telling the truth or lying, so they gambled that the vitiligo thing was true and its common knowledge what people who suffer from this look like.almost all of the info we got on the case came from the media, which was overwhelmingly possitive he was quilty, so its not suprising that alot of the facts were kept quiet and there are things i am just now finding out. | |
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BabyBeMine said: When you combine this with he really isnt sexualy interested in women than something is wrong here. In the early 80s he was hanging out with Brooke Shields who was very attractive at the time. No sexual interest which is weird and he is a 25 years old man. During the last 12 years what female has MJ been linked to? Again im not saying automatic guilt but combine these accusations and rumors with the fact that he is never with women. Why allow Tatiana to be kicked off the Bad tour just because she kissed him. 99% of men would have enjoyed that and hooked up with her. He didnt like it. I think it turned him off even though he acted it out on stage. I used to ignore this stuff but im like ok he doesnt like boys but how come he is never with a women and how come he wasnt sexually interested in Tatiana and Brooke. Weird [Edited 8/13/09 13:29pm] I said before to listen and read the phone transcripts that were used as his defense. It is not true that he wasn't with other women he just wasn't with them publicly. He only paraded the white women imo. | |
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BabyBeMine said: What about the blotches he described when MJ got a erection? Theres more evidence that supports guilt than evidence because there is so much to defend and less you dont have to defend.
When you combine this with he really isnt sexualy interested in women than something is wrong here. In the early 80s he was hanging out with Brooke Shields who was very attractive at the time. No sexual interest which is weird and he is a 25 years old man. During the last 12 years what female has MJ been linked to? Again im not saying automatic guilt but combine these accusations and rumors with the fact that he is never with women. Why allow Tatiana to be kicked off the Bad tour just because she kissed him. 99% of men would have enjoyed that and hooked up with her. He didnt like it. I think it turned him off even though he acted it out on stage. I used to ignore this stuff but im like ok he doesnt like boys but how come he is never with a women and how come he wasnt sexually interested in Tatiana and Brooke. Weird [Edited 8/13/09 13:29pm] there are pedos that are seen around women, have gfs and wives all the time. they have a secret life. Just because someone is not seen around women all the time doesn't mean anything. besides michael was very private about his personal life. | |
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BabyBeMine said: What about the blotches he described when MJ got a erection? Theres more evidence that supports guilt than evidence because there is so much to defend and less you dont have to defend.
When you combine this with he really isnt sexualy interested in women than something is wrong here. In the early 80s he was hanging out with Brooke Shields who was very attractive at the time. No sexual interest which is weird and he is a 25 years old man. During the last 12 years what female has MJ been linked to? Again im not saying automatic guilt but combine these accusations and rumors with the fact that he is never with women. Why allow Tatiana to be kicked off the Bad tour just because she kissed him. 99% of men would have enjoyed that and hooked up with her. He didnt like it. I think it turned him off even though he acted it out on stage. I used to ignore this stuff but im like ok he doesnt like boys but how come he is never with a women and how come he wasnt sexually interested in Tatiana and Brooke. Weird [Edited 8/13/09 13:29pm] He was with Diana Ross too at one point. Don't forget that. He hints about how he's in a relationship here. Just cause he's not public with his relationship, doesn't mean he hasn't been in relationships. [Edited 8/13/09 14:09pm] [Edited 8/13/09 14:12pm] | |
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BabyBeMine said: What about the blotches he described when MJ got a erection? Theres more evidence that supports guilt than evidence because there is so much to defend and less you dont have to defend.
When you combine this with he really isnt sexualy interested in women than something is wrong here. In the early 80s he was hanging out with Brooke Shields who was very attractive at the time. No sexual interest which is weird and he is a 25 years old man. During the last 12 years what female has MJ been linked to? Again im not saying automatic guilt but combine these accusations and rumors with the fact that he is never with women. Why allow Tatiana to be kicked off the Bad tour just because she kissed him. 99% of men would have enjoyed that and hooked up with her. He didnt like it. I think it turned him off even though he acted it out on stage. I used to ignore this stuff but im like ok he doesnt like boys but how come he is never with a women and how come he wasnt sexually interested in Tatiana and Brooke. Weird [Edited 8/13/09 13:29pm] you do realize that contrary to what people say mj is not the typical pedo/child molester. most pedos are regular everyday people who could live right next door to you for years with a wife and kids. when they get caught people are shocked because they were no signs.i've never seen a child molester thats shows public affection towards the kids they molest,that have sleepovers at the home of the kids parents or say on national tv that they share a bed with kids...mj's relationship with kids was inappropriate as hell but it dont make him a criminal, if his relationship with these kids was sexual (which i never thought it was), then that would have made him a criminal. as far as his relationship with women neither i nor you have any knowledge of what went on in his bedroom,just because there was no sex with his famous female 'friends' dont mean he did or didnt have sexual encounters with women or men. | |
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lowkey said: BabyBeMine said: What about the blotches he described when MJ got a erection? Theres more evidence that supports guilt than evidence because there is so much to defend and less you dont have to defend.
When you combine this with he really isnt sexualy interested in women than something is wrong here. In the early 80s he was hanging out with Brooke Shields who was very attractive at the time. No sexual interest which is weird and he is a 25 years old man. During the last 12 years what female has MJ been linked to? Again im not saying automatic guilt but combine these accusations and rumors with the fact that he is never with women. Why allow Tatiana to be kicked off the Bad tour just because she kissed him. 99% of men would have enjoyed that and hooked up with her. He didnt like it. I think it turned him off even though he acted it out on stage. I used to ignore this stuff but im like ok he doesnt like boys but how come he is never with a women and how come he wasnt sexually interested in Tatiana and Brooke. Weird [Edited 8/13/09 13:29pm] you do realize that contrary to what people say mj is not the typical pedo/child molester. most pedos are regular everyday people who could live right next door to you for years with a wife and kids. when they get caught people are shocked because they were no signs.i've never seen a child molester thats shows public affection towards the kids they molest,that have sleepovers at the home of the kids parents or say on national tv that they share a bed with kids...mj's relationship with kids was inappropriate as hell but it dont make him a criminal, if his relationship with these kids was sexual (which i never thought it was), then that would have made him a criminal. as far as his relationship with women neither i nor you have any knowledge of what went on in his bedroom,just because there was no sex with his famous female 'friends' dont mean he did or didnt have sexual encounters with women or men. | |
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lowkey said: BabyBeMine said: What about the blotches he described when MJ got a erection? Theres more evidence that supports guilt than evidence because there is so much to defend and less you dont have to defend.
When you combine this with he really isnt sexualy interested in women than something is wrong here. In the early 80s he was hanging out with Brooke Shields who was very attractive at the time. No sexual interest which is weird and he is a 25 years old man. During the last 12 years what female has MJ been linked to? Again im not saying automatic guilt but combine these accusations and rumors with the fact that he is never with women. Why allow Tatiana to be kicked off the Bad tour just because she kissed him. 99% of men would have enjoyed that and hooked up with her. He didnt like it. I think it turned him off even though he acted it out on stage. I used to ignore this stuff but im like ok he doesnt like boys but how come he is never with a women and how come he wasnt sexually interested in Tatiana and Brooke. Weird [Edited 8/13/09 13:29pm] you do realize that contrary to what people say mj is not the typical pedo/child molester. most pedos are regular everyday people who could live right next door to you for years with a wife and kids. when they get caught people are shocked because they were no signs.i've never seen a child molester thats shows public affection towards the kids they molest,that have sleepovers at the home of the kids parents or say on national tv that they share a bed with kids...mj's relationship with kids was inappropriate as hell but it dont make him a criminal, if his relationship with these kids was sexual (which i never thought it was), then that would have made him a criminal. as far as his relationship with women neither i nor you have any knowledge of what went on in his bedroom,just because there was no sex with his famous female 'friends' dont mean he did or didnt have sexual encounters with women or men. His security guard said MJ was only around kids and never a women coming up to his room or at the mansion. He was around MJ all the time. The tall asian guy who worked for MJ from 1998-2003 who in a interview said MJ would have a hard time sleeping so he would come to MJ's room in the middle of the night and keep him company and they would talk all night. As for the public affection and most molestors dont do that. Maybe because there not celebrities and on tv all the time like MJ was. One of the things that caught my attention was the 2003 accuser said the same thing as the 1993 accuser. If you love me you will sleep in the bed. In the 2003 documentary MJ looked extremely nervous when the accuser said that and tried to say I sleep on the floor. He tried to cover that up. It was clear what the kid said and MJ tried to say i sleep on the floor. | |
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The everyone is lying defense to me is a very weak way of making a case for being innocent. | |
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Timmy84 said: Swa said: ^^ bought that too. Had read it before but interested to see JRT's take on it.
I would recommend reading the Halperin book - interested to see your point of view on it. Swa You think it's good? I have it but I took it with a grain of salt | |
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babybugz said: Timmy84 said: You think it's good? I have it but I took it with a grain of salt Did you read any of it? | |
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